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Maxxs_Mummy
25th July 2006, 01:54 PM
Taken from many Tears website......


SOS ( SAVE OUR SAXON)
A PLEA TO SAVE THE LIFE OF A FAITHFUL, LOYAL HONEST POLICE DOG

I refer to you article with regards to the happy retirement of police dog Kye who was serving with Gwent Police.
Kye was due to be put down at the end of his service however thanks to your article the police have now allowed him to remain with his handler and enjoy the rest of his life and retirement at home.

My Husband is a serving police dog handler and home office police dog instructor with Gwent police and for the past 4 years has had the honour and privilege of handling the most wonderful police dog.
Saxon who is a 5-year-old German Shepherd has been an extremely loyal and faithful servant of the police force and has been responsible for detecting many criminals.
Saxon has been my husband’s partner, sole mate trusted friend and loyal companion during his service and on many occasions my husband has been alone in very dangerous situations with only himself and Saxon to arrest serious and sometimes violent criminals.
Both my husband and Saxon have been commended for their team efforts they even had a personal letter from the chief constable on one occasion.
My husband’s stories to me are endless and amazing and I feel safe in the knowledge that Saxon has and will put his own life in front of my husbands to protect and look after him.
When off duty Saxon lives at home and is looked after by the whole family, my daughter takes him for walks and always plays with him.
Saxon lives both in his kennel and inside our home where his favourite place is on the sofa next to my husband, sometimes I just don’t get a look in they are like a married couple.

For the past 3 months Saxon has been housed at the police kennels at Glascoed where he has been looked after by the police dog handlers whilst my husband has been away.

A few weeks ago my husband was informed that Saxon was not to be re licensed as police dog and senior officers were to make a decision as to his future.
This was happening at the same time as Kye and we suspected that they were to put both Saxon and Kye down at the end of their service.
My husband stated his case and made representations on Saxons behalf offering him a retirement home with us as his family for the rest of his life.
We were as a family more than happy for this to happen, Saxon is not a danger, as anyone who knows him or has looked after him will testify.
We were and are prepared to sign any agreement as to liability issues with regards to him.

Today my husband was informed that Saxon is to be destroyed and the reason given as being ‘the responsible thing to do’

My husband is distraught and extremely upset this dog has meant so much to him over the years however as a serving officer cannot do anything about it due to the restrictions imposed on him by the service!
He has no voice,BUT I AND MY FAMILY DO

Therefore I want to make an appeal for Saxons life and I feel that the general public should be made aware of the facts, please help us to SAVE OUR SAXON.

The police use Usk vetenary surgery at usk for all the vetenary care for police dogs, surely they cannot nor any other vetenary surgey be asked to put down a perfectly healthy, fit and loyal dog just because it has come to the end of his service?
The Police management will argue that he is a dangerous dog, well that’s just nonsense, just ask all the handlers and kennel staff who look after him, all the officers who know and respect him, ask them who is the best Police dog in gwent? And guess who they will say.

I feel that the police management are treating this living animal with no regard whatsoever, like a disposable tool, he has had his use and now its time to get rid of him.
Is this the thanks that they give to a loyal and faithful servant?
Will they do the same to other dogs in the future?
How can anyone now donate dogs to the Police Service knowing that they will be destroyed at the end of their service.

The truth about Gwent Police dog section must be heard.

The Article that you wrote about Kye was given to you for the sole intention of saving his life.
If you had not published the article then Kye would be dead.
Ask the Police how many other dogs they have had killed.
The police have members of the public assigned to monitor the health safety and welfare of Police dogs, well where are they in this case and what are they doing, are they just puppets on the police’s strings?

Yes Saxon is the property of Gwent Police service that are answerable to the general public and police by consent.
Saxon belongs to the people of gwent who he has protected whilst we all sleep at night, who has caught criminals breaking into our homes, who has with my husband caught numerous car thieves who has faced armed and violent criminals alone, who has found missing children cleaning their faces, who has represented Gwent Police at Regional Police Dog Trials, who has taken part in open day events, the list goes on and on.….SO MUCH FOR A DANGEROUS DOG.

Saxons days are numbered he due to be put to sleep we need your help now, please help to save this wonderful dog.

Please guys, email!!!


To register your opposition to killing Saxon please e-mail the following

policeauthority@gwent.pnn.police.uk

Maxxs_Mummy
25th July 2006, 02:02 PM
I have just sent a copy of it to 'The Sun' hopefully they might pick up on it and try and help him.

Nicki
25th July 2006, 02:12 PM
Thanks Donna - have just seen this too and e-mailed the police... :x :x

I do not understand why Saxon is considered dangerous when they have been happy for him to live with his family whilst he has been in service? If they believe him to be dangerous, why would this be allowed to happen?

The family are happy to accept libality, and I think that Saxon deserves to retire to his loving caring home, a small reward for his remarkable service.

I'm hoping that they will be swamped wtih e-mails and will be forced to change their minds.

Karlin
25th July 2006, 02:19 PM
This is one of the 'dark sides' to service dogs -- what happens to the 'failures' and retirees -- I have been told even sniffer dogs are put down in some cases!! "Excess to needs". Some over here have put pressure on police/security to have some sort of public policy on these issues -- not least because they recruit prospective dogs from many rescues and shelters.

I'd contact the RSPCA on this too.

Buster
25th July 2006, 03:29 PM
Have written a mail to the address provided. I'm aghast that this seems to be common enough practise.

Claire
25th July 2006, 03:39 PM
I have emailed them also......

Alison_Leighfield
25th July 2006, 03:55 PM
Thanks Donna for doing this. :flwr: :flwr: :flwr: :flwr: :lotsaluv:

When I told you about it lunch time during one of our daily natters I thought you would try and help, so a very big thank you for putting it in here and thank you to any one that e-mails about him......
please, please do.

I saw this item first thing this a.m when I was on their web site looking for Cavaliers to put in the rescue section here....thanks again Donna.

Alison, Wilts, U.K.

joanna
25th July 2006, 04:23 PM
This is disgusting - I've mailed them too.

Maxxs_Mummy
25th July 2006, 05:13 PM
I am even more disgusted as this boy has been offered a secure home - it's not as if he's going to someone who hasn't a clue about ex-service dogs! Our GSD was an ex-police dog and I couldn't have wished for a more loyal, loving girl.

I have been wracking my brains to think if I know any of the higher ups in Gwent police but I don't think I do. Am going to ask hubs when he gets in from work.

I think I might e-mail Downing St too. I am fuming and really feel for that poor boy stuck in those darned kennels with an uncertain future.

The thing is with Police, Prison etc etc is that they have the officers over a barrel - doesn't stop the wives from getting things done though, does it? :badgrin:

deb_d
25th July 2006, 05:24 PM
What a terrible fate for a fine K-9 officer. I have sent an email, too.

Maxxs_Mummy
25th July 2006, 05:40 PM
I have e-mailed Tony Blair and told him how disgusted I am too.

Let's save poor Saxon :lotsaluv:

His plight has disappeared from Many Tears site now - wonder if the newspapers have been in touch.....

Nicki
25th July 2006, 06:01 PM
Just been doing a search to see if anything is coming up on him... :(

Found this though

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/pets/pages/jake.shtml

Jake te cross-bred German shepherd has been retired from his post by his masters at North Wales Police for failing to tackle a single criminal during his three-year career with the Dog Handlers' Unit in Wrexham.

Alison_Leighfield
25th July 2006, 06:08 PM
Just shows how words travel!!

Thanks all for e-mailing, lets hope he can be saved....Donna...your'e doing fab...you go girl!!! ... You tell um!!! :flwr: :flwr: :flwr:

Alison, Wilts, U.K.

Karlin
25th July 2006, 07:06 PM
I've crossposted to the two Irish animal discussion boards... 8)

Maxxs_Mummy
25th July 2006, 09:03 PM
Cheers Karlin :thmbsup: I don't really see any point in contacting the RSPCA they have never been any use before when i've phoned them :roll:

I used to donate to them by direct devit every month but they were sending me more and more rubbish so now I donate to the Dog's trust instead. At least they spend their money wisely :D

Jen114
26th July 2006, 09:29 AM
This is absolutly ridiculous!!!!!! How can they put down a healthy animal ! not matter what job they did it is not right!!!

Please update us .

Claire
26th July 2006, 11:38 AM
Go Donna Go...... did anyone have any luck with The Sun (there is a page about dogs in there today) :swear:

Maxxs_Mummy
26th July 2006, 12:44 PM
I haven't heard back from either Gwent Police, The Sun or 10 Downing Street. I just hope Saxon is still alive.

joanna
26th July 2006, 01:24 PM
I'm really surprised the sun didn't publish it today considering they ran a headline (as did the mirror) on the increase in animal cruelty in the UK:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006340266,00.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17449038%26method=full%26siteid=94762% 26headline=abuse%2dof%2dpets%2dat%2da%2dnew%2dhigh %2d-name_page.html

Maxxs_Mummy
26th July 2006, 10:49 PM
Me too Joanna - I didn't even get a reply to my e-mail to them :(

judy
27th July 2006, 02:43 AM
This morning i cross posted this to the Companion Animal and Beyond Vaccinations mail lists and a few people responded that they sent emails. I also got the following email requesting more info. Is there any more info available of the kind being requested?


Judy, I'd like to help... but when I went to the link at Many Tears Rescue there was no place this incident was posted to. I am president of our National AKC Breed Club and President of our local UKC club and know many dog owners that I could get an email writing group together to post to the police department, however, I need further information on this circumstance before I jump in feet first. I would hate to find out it was just a hoax... Can you get me more information????


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Lynn McClure
AngelHeart~Eskies
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judy
27th July 2006, 05:30 AM
Someone else on the Beyond Vaccinations list has now posted a link to a BBC News article about this sad story, in response to the other email requesting some corroboration.

Here is the article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/5211180.stm[/i][/url]

Maxxs_Mummy
28th July 2006, 08:16 PM
UPDATE............

Saxon's story will be in OurDogs mag this week

http://www.ourdogs.co.uk/

There is also an update....

UPDATE:

Kennel report for the Gwent Police Authority animal welfare scheme

24th July 2006

The purpose of the visit was to see, discuss & put in place recommendations for Saxon, the German Shepherd dog, 5yrs of age.

Visit started at 09.30 am

Saxon was chilled out in his kennel at the time of our visit but we were assured that he has regular walks with the handlers he also has a large kennel & run all spotlessly clean & also access to a large compound for exercise, he is in good condition & very well looked after by the staff.

The subject of Saxon being put down was asked & we were told that no decision had been made with regards to this. We have asked for an independent assessment of the dog by a qualified person other than Police personnel & were granted that . When this is done we then want a meeting of all involved to discuss the dogs future. The visitors were happy at the outcome today & look forward in correct decisions in the future.

This visit was attended by, Mr E.Crouch, Mr D.Bayliss, Mr L.Morgan Visit finished at 11.30 a.m



We await next weeks decision with baited breath but hope Saxon wins his appeal :thmbsup:

JaneB
28th July 2006, 10:47 PM
And how are their retiring "human" officers treated? Surely they are not euthanized at the end of their service!!! Seems to me that the canine officers should receive the same treatment, even a pension, as their human counterparts when they retire after years of faithful service. What a horrible situation. Wish there was something we in the US could do to help. Any thoughts?

JaneB

judy
29th July 2006, 01:52 AM
And how are their retiring "human" officers treated? Surely they are not euthanized at the end of their service!!! Seems to me that the canine officers should receive the same treatment, even a pension, as their human counterparts when they retire after years of faithful service. What a horrible situation. Wish there was something we in the US could do to help. Any thoughts?

JaneB

Here's a petition someone posted on the Beyond vaccinations list:
http://www.petitiononline.com/k9saxon/

Good point about retiring officers and how they're rewarded. I think i remember the reason given for them wanting to put down Saxon was that on one occasion he became violent with his handler. The handler claimed it was his own fault, and that it was during the dog's training, and no other violent behavior had ever happened again, and that such as it was, it wasn't a big deal. But that is the justification they gave--they presented statistics showing that most of the dogs they retire, they do not euthanize, and that it's just about public safety.

But then what if one of their officers is involved in a shooting, or an act of police brutality, or just having developed a mindset that goes along with having the right to coerce other people using physical force? Obviously they wouldn't suggest euthanizing such officers upon retirement. If the dog poses a theoreticl danger because of that previous attack behavior, if that's what it was, who's to say none of the other dogs don't also pose the same danger? Just because they've never attacked, haven't they all been trained to, on command?

It's just bizarre thinking, well, i think the word for it is inhumane thinking, like the nazis, where a living sentient being is objectified and not treated like a fellow being.

i hope media attention and a worldwide email campaign will not only make a difference for Saxon but will lead to a difference in public policy governing such decisions beyond this one police district, i hope attention will be drawn to this practice wherever it exists. I would like to find out what the policies of my local police departments are. I think if Saxon's advocates could find out about police departments that have other ways of dealing with retiring dogs they believe to be potentially dangerous, it might be constructive to share these examples with the Gwent department, as suggestions.

Maxxs_Mummy
29th July 2006, 01:51 PM
When I emailed Gwent Police, i did ask them if they would treat a human being in the same way and informed them that just because saxon has four legs and a tail, he should still be entitled to the same rights as any other officer. therefore, instead of euthanasing him, they should be paying for everything he needs.

If you want to protest, it doesn't matter where in the world you are - you can still click on the email address and voice your opinions to the Police.

judy
29th July 2006, 06:41 PM
i would like to know who is over the police in Gwent.
Where i live, over the police, you have police commissions and those are political posts, appointed by the mayor i think, or by the city council, who are elected. Those people should be getting emails, people who would have to think, once the public outcry is widespread and strong enough, that it would be a huge political liability to be associated with killing the noble dog. I wonder who it is in Gwent that has authority over what the police do, who are at the same time not part of the police department. Because the police themselves are independent of politics, and because they are getting a lot of pretty harsh emails, i fear they will take an attitude that they can't go letting the public call the shots for the police. But if there are other people over the police, i would see emailing them as important, along with emailing the police.

Here is, i think, a former mayor of Gwent:
http://www.libdems.org.uk/party/people/mr-phylip-phil-hobson.html maybe his political party would be sensitive to this issue...

i googled 'mayor of gwent' but am mostly finding 'blaenau gwent,' is it the same thing? If anyone has any contacts on politicians who would have real authority over the police, i would appreciate the info.

Here's something:
http://www.gwentpa.police.uk/

This Gwent Police Authority seems like it might be analogous to the police commission here in Los Angeles, it seems to be appointed by the Home Office. I will email them about saxon and about who it is who has authority to insure that the police will not be insensitive to this public outcry and concern, not only local but worldwide. maybe someone posted this contact above, if so, here it is again. my brain doesn't retain info consistently when i read it.

Maxxs_Mummy
29th July 2006, 08:10 PM
Hi Judy,

First off. Yes, Blaenau Gwent is the same place. Secondly, I doubt very much that the GwentPA would be able to do anything. Might be worth a try though. I have emailed local Govt. members in Gwent and also the Prime Minister's office in London (you know, the weird looking guy who is bessie mates with Pres Bush ;) :lol: ).

We'll see what happens but I doubt very much that Saxon will be euthanased after the huge outcry they have had.

I think Gwent has a high crime rate anyway and if they go p***ing the public off then it will only get worse!

All we can do is email as many people as possible about it - thanks for all your help.

xxx