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Denise G.
20th August 2006, 01:40 AM
Hi! I'm new to this forum--though I've been lurking and learning for a couple of weeks. I just brought my new little girl home on Thursday and she' a delight! She's a Blenheim and is seven months old. I don't have a picture yet, but will post one shortly.

I had my vet check her out--no heart murmers and very healthy. I'm so thankful, as I've already fallen in love! Oh, by the way her name is Mia Bella and she's very prissy--ha!

Here's my problem/question...she doesn't seem to have a voice/bark. When she barks which hasn't been much, it sounds like she has laryngitis. Unfortunately, yesterday she got her foot caught and started barking/yelping but there was no sound. Her foot is fine by the way, she was just scared. I put a call in to my vet and the breeder--but the vet was already gone for the weekend and I haven't heard back from the breeder. As long as there are no health impllications, it's fine with me if she can't bark, though it's a little strange.

I just wondered if anyone else has heard of this before? She's just a sweetheart and is very playful and responsive and brilliant, of course! :)

Thanks for all I've learned so far--and I'm so glad to have found this wonderful loving Cavalier community! :jump:

deedublin
20th August 2006, 09:46 AM
HI,

Molly didn't bark for about a month after we got her. The only time she barks now if is she gets startled, or if she sees a cat in our garden. So perhaps this will pass.

Bruce H
20th August 2006, 12:05 PM
Some almost never bark. I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Count your blessings :lol:

merlinsmum
20th August 2006, 01:06 PM
Merlin is eighteen months and only barks at other dogs that go past the front window ( our window sills are low so he spends the day watching the world go by!)

He will bark when he is excited when he want you to throw something or play football with him but its more of a yap than a bark

sannie
20th August 2006, 07:01 PM
Firstly congrats on your new arrival. My friend has a Blenehim and it was about three months before it barked and even then it was just a little bark. And still almost a year on it hadly makes much of a sound, a very happy chappie by all accounts.
I'm sure your little one will find it's voice soon enough.

On the other hand my Max has a very loud bark and uses any excuse to use it!!

Cockerspaniel
20th August 2006, 10:52 PM
My brother swears that all cavaliers are "Nice, but Dumb". :D

Cathy Moon
20th August 2006, 11:54 PM
Wow, he obviously doesn't know the cavaliers on this board! :)

Denise G.
21st August 2006, 05:21 AM
Thanks for your assurances. I'm still a little concerned though because she tries to bark but only a raspy sound comes out. I hope to hear back from my vet this week. I doubt its anything too serious, it just seems that her voice box isn't hooked up or something.

Bruce, I know what you mean about counting my blessings. My Golden shakes the rafters when he barks--which isn't too often, thank God.

Thanks again for your replies!

Denise

Bruce H
21st August 2006, 01:13 PM
I know this may be way out in left field, but when you mentioned a raspy sound to her bark in your last post it occurred to me. Do you suppose she has been debarked? That's kind of how a dog can sound that has had that done. Unlikely at that age, but who knows. At any rate, couldn't hurt to have a vet look at the bark thing specifically.

Denise G.
21st August 2006, 05:10 PM
Bruce-

I wondered about that possibility. I got her from a breeder that intended to show her, but since she's a little smaller than standard, he decided to place her in home. What exactly is "de-barking" and do they do that to show dogs? Are there any health implications at all--I'm guessing and hoping not...

You'd think the breeder might have mentioned that. I don't miss the barking, but it sort of worried me--and kind of seems cruel.

Thanks, Bruce!

Maxxs_Mummy
21st August 2006, 06:58 PM
The debarking thing was the first thought that entered my mind. Hopefully, it might just be a change of environment bark! I've noticed that when we take Maxx in the car travelling for a couple of hours, his voice gets very dry and raspy. He's not naturally a barky dog anyway though.

Charlie however IS a barker and unfortunately, the change of environment never affects him :lol:

Cockerspaniel, your brother's not one of these who thinks only big 'hard' dogs are intelligent is he???? :roll: :lol:

Denise G.
21st August 2006, 07:28 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure she's been debarked. I "Googled" debarking dogs and am troubled that this was done to this little girl and even more troubled that the breeder didn't mention it. I specifically asked him if she barked much and he didn't mention it. That makes me suspicious... I read that there can be complications from a "laryngectomy" involving scar tissue, etc., depending on how it was done. One of the side effects I read about is gagging. She's gagged a couple of times in the three days I've had her--she didn't have anything in her mouth and wasn't eating. The gags are very short and don't seem to bother her, but I noticed it.

The breeder seemed reputable and has been showing dogs for many years...maybe he's so used to the procedure, it didn't occur to him to mention it...

I'm already attached to little Mia and couldn't imagine giving her back.

Any advice/suggestions? Has anyone else come across this and should I be worried about complications?

Thanks in advance for your input.

Denise

Maxxs_Mummy
21st August 2006, 07:33 PM
I think I'd ring the breeder and ask him straight out if she's been debarked or not - then you can decide what to do from there.

Isn't debarking illegal? It's certainly darned cruel :(

We have a dog at the back of us that barks incessantly. I wouldn't want it debarked but i wish it's owner would take notice of it and take it for training!

Denise G.
21st August 2006, 11:55 PM
Thanks, I've put a call into the breeder. I'll see what he says and what my vet says and go from there...

Thanks again-

Cathy Moon
22nd August 2006, 03:07 AM
I just had a thought; could she have something caught in her throat? I would ask the vet to take a look. I wouldn't try looking - just let the vet take a look.

Denise G.
22nd August 2006, 04:32 AM
Well, I talked to the breeder and he confirmed that she has been "de-barked". He intended to keep and show her and this is a procedure he has done on all his show dogs. I'm relieved in one way that the mystery is solved and she's otherwise o.k., but somewhat troubled that this has been done to her. He assured me that a specialist performed the procedure and he's never had any of his dogs experience any side effects.

I also talked with my vet and he didn't think it was anything to worry about, though he was surprised that the procedure had been done on such a young puppy. Mia is 7 months old.

I do wish he had told me before now--though it probably wouldn't have made any difference. She's a happy girl with a very sweet nature, so I guess I'll keep her. ;)

Thanks for all your input and suggestions.

I love this forum!! :luv:

Cathy T
22nd August 2006, 05:46 AM
Well...mystery solved. I think it's unfortunate that she was de-barked. I just don't feel it's a humane thing to do. And I'm surprised you wouldn't have been informed of this...it's definitely not standard procedure. But at least you now know why she sounds like this.

vanessa0305
22nd August 2006, 06:10 AM
Poor baby, why would they do that? You can train a dog not to bark but it seems damn cruel to do that to them. I don't get people sometimes, and worse a dog person (I normally understand dog people).

Maxxs_Mummy
22nd August 2006, 08:34 AM
Poor little love. Darned cruel breeder though :( People like that give breeders a bad name.

I wonder how he'd like it if he was to be de-voiced? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Makes me soooooooooooo angry :x

Give your little one an extra big hug nad kiss from me xxxxx

Claire
22nd August 2006, 03:45 PM
Poor little girl, I am really really sure that I read that this doesn't always last..... I will try and find it.

Denise G.
22nd August 2006, 04:01 PM
I think I also read that sometimes the voice/bark comes back. It's just sad to me, but Mia doesn't seem to mind. I read that when they bark after this procedure has been done, even though it's only a little squeak/raspy sound that comes out, they still think they're barking and get whatever satisfaction comes along with it...who knows.

I'm still stunned that the breeder does this to his show dogs--they really seemed like very caring/loving dog people. He said they take the dogs on the road alot to shows and stay in hotels and that's another reason he feels he has to do it. Whatever--

Anyway, I'm just going to focus on this little joy of a girl and give her lots of love and attention.

Thanks again for helping this "new kid on the block"! :)

GudrunTheRed
22nd August 2006, 04:11 PM
Denise, I hope you will make a point to tell all your friends and fellow dog owners about this breeder and to do what you can to discourage people from buying from them. They are horrible, selfish people and shouldn't be allowed to breed or show.

Denise G.
22nd August 2006, 04:37 PM
I definitely will pass the word to anyone I know that's considering a Cavalier. One of my good friends will probably be adopting a Cavy in the next year or so--she won't be going to this breeder if I have anything to say about it.

Cathy Moon
23rd August 2006, 01:51 AM
I'm so glad this isn't a health problem, but do feel bad about what the breeder has done. I hope her bark returns soon! I also remember reading their barks can return after awhile. :flwr:

Cathy T
23rd August 2006, 03:06 AM
Out of curiousity...since you are not allowed to alter your dogs for showing...is de-barking allowed?

Denise G.
23rd August 2006, 04:38 AM
That's a good point--it doesn't seem that this would be allowed. I don't know the answer, though.

Finns Family
23rd August 2006, 07:25 PM
Denise...congrats on your beautiful new little girl. I am sad to hear that she had to go through such a senseless procedure but I am sure everyone else on this board will back me up when I say that even without a bark..Cavaliers have a million and one ways to love and to get their point across!!! lol.

Whether her bark comes back or not, you two have many fun years to come!

p.s. Finn says if you point the breeder out to him, he will stand on his lawn and bark at him for a couple of hours and then pee on his leg when he comes out :badgrin: icon_whistling ;)

Denise G.
23rd August 2006, 08:50 PM
LOL!! What a great picture that conjures up in my mind! Tell Finn I appreciate his thoughtful offer and if he's ever in the area, I'll personally escort him to the breeder's front yard. :lol:

Mia is pretty expressive even without her bark--has no problem getting her point across at all. She's a lovey!

Heritage Cavaliers
24th August 2006, 05:52 PM
I am really sad that your breeder did this - I also travel and show with my Cavaliers and have never had any problems with excessive barking. I am very angry that he did this to your little girl - it really is a shame :cry*ing: Makes me wonder if they just leave their "show dogs" crated all the time icon_devil Mine sleep in the hotel bed with me :l*v:

Denise G.
24th August 2006, 06:44 PM
Thanks, Janet. I know, every time I hear her little raspy bark it makes me sad. I think she was kenneled quite a bit based on some observations over the last week. She's so sweet and happy, though. Thank God for that! She's a survivor for sure!! And quite lively...definitely coming out of her shell. ;)

Cathy Moon
24th August 2006, 06:46 PM
I was thinking the same thing as Janet.

I'm glad the little one has a very good home with you! :hug:

Denise G.
24th August 2006, 09:16 PM
Thanks, Cathy! She definitely won't lack for cuddles and kisses--much to Wrigley's dismay...although he's warming up to her nicely. I found them cuddling last night and, of course, the camera was no where to be found. :roll:

angie
29th August 2006, 12:06 PM
hello from jadan a five month old pup who i think has a bit of a cruch on your mia. i have just been reading through your story and each time her pic comes up he wants to lick the screen :jump: maybe he is giving her his own big kiss. :p :p

angie
29th August 2006, 12:07 PM
wooops!!! crush!!!! ;) ;) :p ;) :p

Denise G.
29th August 2006, 04:12 PM
:lol: Jadan is such a handsome boy--I'm sure Mia would approve! :lotsaluv:

sramirez
29th August 2006, 07:04 PM
My Sasha has a very raspy bark as well - she had laryngeal prolapse at age 3 and had one side of throat sutured back. It sure doesn't keep her from barking at the squirrels and other dogs walking in our neighborhood. She doesn't seem to notice that her bark sounds different than the other two!

I crush her kibble very small along w/a little pumpkin for her daily meals. Otherwise, she seems to have a hard time swallowing, and just recently I put her on a very small dose of antacid due to regurgitating her food.

Sheri

Denise G.
30th August 2006, 04:15 PM
Hi Sheri-

I'm sorry to hear about Sasha's prolapse--how did it happen? Mia doesn't seem to notice her little impairment either. My vet took a look and didn't notice any scar tissue, which is what I was worried about. She's still on puppy kibble right now, so swallowing it hasn't been a problem.

Glad Sasha is o.k. now!