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Maxxs_Mummy
28th September 2006, 12:13 AM
Well tonight we had to have a trip to see Uncle James for a check up and some more Frusemide. It seems that Maxx's SM has worsened a bit so we've had to up his Frusemide but on the positive side, he's in otherwise A1 tip top health and Uncle James said his heart sounds wonderful :D

The bad news is that Charlie has got to start his injections in two weeks time and they cost £120 per vial. The good news is that he's insured for about £5000 per condition a year & we are covered - phewwwwwwwwwwwww

The other good news is that James had suggested changing his food to Butchers Tripe mix as he's got a storage mite allergy. I've been doing this over the last few days and the dreadful smell that was coming from his mouth and skin seems to have all but disappeared!

The weirdest thing is that this is a dog who is so darned fussy that he will sit and wait and watch Maxx eat his dinner and then look at his own as if to say - let him have it, it's not to my tastes but he's wolfed down the Butchers and even barked (unsuccessfully) for more! Even Maxx who would never eat tinned dog food has tried a tiny bit and kept licking his empty dish clean too - obviously something yummy (to them, not me ;) ) in that food.

WoodHaven
28th September 2006, 12:24 AM
I hope Maxx is feeling better fast--- we seem to have a bunch of cavaliers that are feeling poorly.
I have added occasional tripe for my dogs health-- but I can't stand the SMELL.

Maxxs_Mummy
28th September 2006, 12:35 AM
Thanks Sandy,

I hope so too. At least my baby isn't as poorly as some of the other little angels on here. I was worried because he was scratching his ears and butt scooting - not his usual SM symptoms. James gave him a really thorough check over and said his glands were empty and his ears were really clean so to try upping the Frusemide for a few days and see if it worked.

I gave him 30mg tonight instead of 20mg and I'm going to see how he is tomorrow - it usually works PDQ!

I'm just fed up of seeing my two suffering. Charlie's been on medication for his allergies since what seems like forever now :(

How are all of your babies?

Cathy T
28th September 2006, 01:15 AM
Donna - Hope the upping the dosage helps Maxx. And changing the food helps Charlie. It so hard when our babies don't feel up to snuff.

WoodHaven
28th September 2006, 01:38 AM
Thanks Sandy,

I hope so too. At least my baby isn't as poorly as some of the other little angels on here. I was worried because he was scratching his ears and butt scooting - not his usual SM symptoms. James gave him a really thorough check over and said his glands were empty and his ears were really clean so to try upping the Frusemide for a few days and see if it worked.

I gave him 30mg tonight instead of 20mg and I'm going to see how he is tomorrow - it usually works PDQ!

I'm just fed up of seeing my two suffering. Charlie's been on medication for his allergies since what seems like forever now :(

How are all of your babies?

My guys are doing ok... We have three girls in season and all the boys are crazed. I figure 10 more days and we're in the clear.

:yikes

Kingofthehouse86
28th September 2006, 05:02 AM
Donna hope Maxx is feeling better soon, and Charlie too... for the past 3 days King has been really bumbed cuz well for the past week and half my mom has been home wit back pains so King was keeping her company and helping her relief some of her pain....So now that she's back at work he's been bumbed and not acting himself...but he'll b ok soon enough..which I think is rit now... :lol: he's running around the living room wit his Kittie all excited

misty
28th September 2006, 08:48 AM
Oh, Maxxy darling, I hope your extra frusemide helps you.

Pleased Charlie seems to be getting on with his Butcher's Tripe, but poor thing having all those injections. :(

Hugs and kisses to them both.

Cathy Moon
28th September 2006, 11:34 AM
Donna, I hope your boys are both feeling better soon. Thank goodness you have insurance, and that Charlie likes his new food. Please give your pups extra hugs from me and my gang. :flwr:

pippa
28th September 2006, 11:59 AM
Hope both your boys are feeling better soon.

blue_star
28th September 2006, 01:38 PM
Poor Maxx and Charlie, the boys here send him loads of love! Keeps us up to date on how they are getting on.

Claire
28th September 2006, 01:42 PM
Hugs coming over to Donna, Maxx and Charlie and one for Jame (he sounds soooooo nice ;) ). I hope the extra dosage works and the injections don't hurt......

Baileyboy
28th September 2006, 01:51 PM
Donna, Hope your boys get well soon and the treatment works ....... Big hugs from me & Bailey :hug: :hug:

BrodieSkyward
28th September 2006, 03:03 PM
:xfngr: Keeping our fingers (and paws) crossed that your babies are feeling better soon!

Maxxs_Mummy
28th September 2006, 04:32 PM
Thanks all, Maxx is much better today with no butt scooting or scratching so far :)

Charlie made me laugh earlier. He has to take his tablets every other day now and I usually administer them at 1pm. At 1pm we were all in the kitchen and Charlie suddenly looked up at his tablets and scarpered - I think he can read my mind :lol:

Kingofthehouse86
28th September 2006, 04:39 PM
Donna that's too funny :rotfl: King gets a multi-vitamin/mineral tablet and a skin/coat gel cap at first he was like what the heck are u feeding me..then all I do is shake the bottles at nit and he comes running cuz he knows dinner is on the way.. :lol:

Nicki
28th September 2006, 07:27 PM
Donna so sorry to hear about Maxx - gentle hugs for the big fellow. I really hope the upped dose will help :flwr: :flwr: :flwr:

Poor Charlie, thank goodness he's insured...I think it is ESSENTIAL for Cavaliers to be insured, these medications are so expnsive now but it is good what can be done for them.

SOunds like Charlie is much better on the Butchers then...that's great.

Karlin
28th September 2006, 08:16 PM
That Butcher's tripe mix is one of the canned foods I like that was easily available and all my crew loved it. Butchers generally are pretty good for a food that you can get a lot of places (in the UK/Ireland). Tesco used to have it and doesn't anymore but one of the pet shops have it so I get it now and then as a supplement for dry food.

Maxxs_Mummy
29th September 2006, 11:44 AM
Karlin,

Our Tesco here stocks it and at the minute they have the multipacks on offer so I'm going to go out and stock up today - now that I know he'll eat it.

I'm going to keep Maxx on Burns as he does so well on it, he just seems to have so much more energy :D

I'm also going to buy a load of liver and dry it, now that Nicki has told me how to do it - thanks Nicki :flwr:

I am so determined to crack this problem with Charlie and tbh I can't believe how much he's stopped scratching already. It seems the more dried food or treats he has, the more he scratches :( He's fine when I give him wet food and Burns Ocean Bites because theyare just fish skins but if I give him JWB crackerjacks (or whatever they're called) he itches and scratches like mad :(

Sheesh, I must love this little demon, he certainly gives me more work and headaches than Maxx has ever done :roll: :lol:

misty
29th September 2006, 11:49 AM
Karlin,

Our Tesco here stocks it and at the minute they have the multipacks on offer so I'm going to go out and stock up today - now that I know he'll eat it.

I'm going to keep Maxx on Burns as he does so well on it, he just seems to have so much more energy :D

I'm also going to buy a load of liver and dry it, now that Nicki has told me how to do it - thanks Nicki :flwr:

I am so determined to crack this problem with Charlie and tbh I can't believe how much he's stopped scratching already. It seems the more dried food or treats he has, the more he scratches :( He's fine when I give him wet food and Burns Ocean Bites because theyare just fish skins but if I give him JWB crackerjacks (or whatever they're called) he itches and scratches like mad :(

Sheesh, I must love this little demon, he certainly gives me more work and headaches than Maxx has ever done :roll: :lol:

so come on Donna or Nicki, how DO you dry liver?

Maxxs_Mummy
29th September 2006, 12:12 PM
Well...... Nicki tells me to boil it until it's cooked then slice it up and bake it in the oven at around 150 degrees for a couple of hours until it's dried. If it gets a white bloom then you know it's not dry enough and you pop it back in the oven for a bit.

Apparently the doggles go nuts for it.

Will ring you tonight Fran, if you're about :D

misty
29th September 2006, 12:46 PM
Well...... Nicki tells me to boil it until it's cooked then slice it up and bake it in the oven at around 150 degrees for a couple of hours until it's dried. If it gets a white bloom then you know it's not dry enough and you pop it back in the oven for a bit.

Apparently the doggles go nuts for it.

Will ring you tonight Fran, if you're about :D

Thx. Bradley's trainer suggested boiling liver for treats and then grilling it so it's not too messy in your pocket for training.

Will do Nicki's dried liver too.

I'm off away for the weekend, so next week might be a better time to catch up on the phone.

Ta for the info :)

blue_star
29th September 2006, 03:42 PM
Toby is off the see Uncle James on Monday, he has come out in a few scabs.

Once its all cleared up and he is he's usual self, fancy a Cavvy walk?? As I have Toby from this weekend until next Monday as his owner is away! YIPEEEEEEEEE :jump:

judy
29th September 2006, 05:01 PM
i sure hope maxx is improving by now. :flwr:

glad everybody enjoys their tripe :yuk: probably an acquired taste.

thanks for the liver treat recipe--zack always loved that natural balance liver roll thing, but i stopped getting it because i don't use that much of it and i don't know how long it keeps.

is liver very fattening?

Maxxs_Mummy
29th September 2006, 06:35 PM
Toby is off the see Uncle James on Monday, he has come out in a few scabs.

Once its all cleared up and he is he's usual self, fancy a Cavvy walk?? As I have Toby from this weekend until next Monday as his owner is away! YIPEEEEEEEEE :jump:

I forgot you see Uncle James as well.... We all love him to bits in this house :flwr:

Yes, a walk would be great, you've got my number haven't you? Just give me a ring :flwr: It's nice to see you posting again, Amy :D

Nicki
29th September 2006, 08:56 PM
Judy, I find the dried liver seems to pretty much pass through undigested so not fattening at all!!

Put the liver in a saucepan and cover with water, bring to the boil and boil rapidly for about 7 minutes. Leave it to cool and drain - the liquid is great for soaking kibble or even as a base for soup!!

Then cut into small pieces...I do very small pieces for training treats or larger ones for recall - it does shrink so about 1" square for the larger ones.

Place on a baking tray and put into a low oven about 150 C for about 1 1/2hrs for the larger pieces.

Leave to cool, it will keep for up to a year in an airtight tin if properly dry. Check it everyday for about a week, if it develops a white bloom, put it back into the oven for at least 1/2 hr. It will be fine.


I always use lambs liver, buy about 2lb at once, this makes about 400g of dried.

Brilliant for training, agility, showing etc as it's dry and doesn't make a mess!!

I'm wary of giving too much liver...remember it's the organ that removes a lot of the " nasties" from their system, but this does seem to pass through {sorry to be disgusting!} :*gh: so I don't think they digest it too well.


***Hope Toby is ok Amy?? ***

Lani
29th September 2006, 09:16 PM
In the US you can buy freeze dried liver treats. I took Lucky to the pet store the night he came home and they were finishing up a puppy training class and the trainer was oooohing and aaahhhing over Lucky and insisted on giving him a liver treat - she said she recommends it for the training classes and they call them "canine crack" because the dogs will do anything for them. :)

Maxxs_Mummy
29th September 2006, 11:19 PM
they call them "canine crack" because the dogs will do anything for them. :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: I think I'd agree with them! My two camped out in the kitchen the whole two hours the liver and hearts (bought them some lambs hearts and dried them too) were in the oven and whilst it was cooling Maxx scratched the floor to tell me he wanted it :lol: :lol: :lol:

Charlie keeps running back and forth to the kitchen barking at the pot of liver he can see on the worktop :roll: Anyone would think I starved my boys :lol:

Cathy Moon
30th September 2006, 01:27 AM
Thanks for the liver recipe - I'm going to try that when I run low on training treats.

I have never seen canned tripe before; I wonder if it's available in the US. I've seen fresh tripe at the market, but have never cooked it. Everyone is commenting on how it smells - what does it smell like?

Uncle James sounds like a fabulous person. :)

judy
30th September 2006, 07:13 AM
nicki, thanks for the very clear and simple yet detailed directions. I think even i could make it following those. i wonder if my health store has lamb liver. It has organic meat, or meat that was free range raised and fed on pesticide free grain. I've gotten beef liver there before, not in a long time, but i never noticed any lamb liver...not that i was looking for it. i'm going to check into it. Is beef liver OK too?

when you say it passes through them undigested, i guess you mean you can see it when it comes out, looking just like it did on the baking pan only chewed? :shock:

lani, when i first got zack i got liver treats at the pet store on the way home that first night, zack was crazy about them. I put them in a kong when i had to leave him alone. The kind i got was called Pro-Treats.

Nicki
30th September 2006, 09:54 AM
yes we used to get Protreats but they are very expensive...

I'm sure beef liver would be ok too, I was always told that lamb is the best quality...and I'm afraid that my "brats" are a little spoilt icon_whistling icon_whistling

ummm yes you can see it in the poo!! Rupert esp tends to swallow his whole....

Glad they were such a success Donna!! Never tried using hearts, I guess that would work just as well.

I'm not keen on the smell or handling the liver, but they really do go mad for it :D

Maxxs_Mummy
30th September 2006, 02:05 PM
The hearts are just a little greasier Nicki, so I took them out of the oven halfway through and put them on a wad of kitchen roll then another wad on top and pressed them to absorb the fat and then popped them back in.

Maxx loves them so much he's been asking for them - he can see the pot on the worktop - I think I'd best put it away :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nicki
1st October 2006, 04:01 PM
OK we had a bit of a crisis yesterday, the liver was in the pressure cooker waiting to be cooked and I'd left two lambs hearts on the worktop to defrost...

Jack jumped up on the dog cage adn onto the worktop and pinched half of one of the hearts :yikes :yikes

He wasn't even that worried when we caught him in the act and shouted at him!! Normally he hates raised voices...


He even tried to steal some more later...

Fortunately there weren't any repurcussions, he didn't even have an upset tummy!!


and they all LOVE the treats!!

BrodieSkyward
1st October 2006, 05:58 PM
These are the best types of training treats!!! When I started using dehydrated lamb liver at agility class....WOW! My Cavalier was soooo good. What a difference a great treat can make! I almost felt like I was cheating or something - the difference was like night and day. Canine Cocaine is right :lol:

I'm not the most talented person in the kitchen :sl*p: Hee Hee

I order my treats from a company in Ohio - my holistic vet recommends "A Place for Paws" and now I do too! There "Nothing But..." Treats are fresh dehydrated single ingredient treats. I order several packs at once and freeze them until I'm ready for them. They also work great in the kong too. I'll use a narrow long piece of lamb lung, wedge it down inside the puppy kong, and Brodie is entertained for the rest of the evening b*n*n* Here is their website if anyone is interested:

http://www.aplaceforpaws.com/treats.html

judy
2nd October 2006, 03:55 AM
....I'm not the most talented person in the kitchen :sl*p: Hee Hee
I order my treats from a company in Ohio - my holistic vet recommends "A Place for Paws" and now I do too! There "Nothing But..." Treats are fresh dehydrated single ingredient treats....

Hey--they have lamb heart and tripe--total gourmet!!

i see that the chicken feet are sold out. ......I'm having a hard time imagining how chicken feet would go down. wouldn't they be kind of stiff?

anyway, all we need now is for them to do lamb hearts and we'll be totally covered.. :D

Kingofthehouse86
2nd October 2006, 05:31 AM
Hey Donna how the kids doin??

blue_star
2nd October 2006, 10:57 AM
Going to have to put Toby along side your two. Toby went to see Uncle James today (well on of his friends) and he said the scabs he has is due to mites and we have treated him and our other two cavvies in the family as Toby has been around both this week.
Last night/this morning i was up with Toby has he has sickness and diarrhoea (sp) its was quite bad. Luckily we got in first thing this morning and he was given 2 injections and antibotics along with the mite drops. I now have to stave the poor little bits for 24 hours as if hasn't been through enough.

Anyway after the injections he looked a little bright and had a little chase around with Archie when we got back so things are looking up. Plus he hasn't been sick for the last 4 hours!!!!

BrodieSkyward
2nd October 2006, 06:39 PM
i see that the chicken feet are sold out. ......I'm having a hard time imagining how chicken feet would go down. wouldn't they be kind of stiff?

Judy,
They are very stiff and dry. brodie loves them. I give him one every couple of weeks or so. He chews on it forever...kinda like a flossie. Kinda fun to give him one if we have company...freaks them out a little :badgrin: Just Kidding!

judy
2nd October 2006, 08:15 PM
do they actually look like, um, chicken feet? you know, with the little toes sticking out and everything? I can imagine how they would be tasty...i bookmarked that site, thanks :)

Maxxs_Mummy
3rd October 2006, 11:46 AM
Hi Aaron,

They're doing fine now, thanks :D Maxx is back to his usual cheeky self :lol: . How is King?

Lynn,

I couldn't imagine even buying chicken feet :yuk: I'm not normally squeamish but yukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk :? :yuk:

Amy,

Poor {{{{{{{{Toby}}}}}}}} glad he's feeling a bit brighter. Any idea where the mites came from? Are you running him in the field behind work? Probably the rabbits over there :(

You know my friend I told you about who lives a few doors away from there? One of her dogs got mites before and they're sure it was from that field, though they did used to rent a field just a bit further on from the level crossing for their pony too.

Hope Toby gave Uncle James kisses? He does love his Cav kisses - Maxx kisses him as soon as he's on the table now :lol:

What has he given you for the mites? Frontline spray?

blue_star
3rd October 2006, 12:12 PM
There could have been a couple of places he could have gotten them. I did take him in the field once about 2 weeks ago. The only other thing is Archie is around horses everyday and he also likes to jump into pond/brook water and eat horse poop :yuk: So it might have been from him, although we have treated all the dogs.

Tobys sickness bug has gone but the vet said they had 3 dogs with the same thing on drips there. We didn't see uncle James it was one of his friends we saw but just as good. Toby was as good as gold, normally hates his temperture take but just stood there!

We were given stronghold for the dogs and he seems a bit better today (no new scabs). I did given him his second meal of rice and chicken and he was not amused. He's face 'Ohhh no not again, where is my real food'. He eat it reluctantly though.

BrodieSkyward
3rd October 2006, 03:12 PM
I couldn't imagine even buying chicken feet I'm not normally squeamish but yukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Hey Donna! I'd call you a chicken but that would be a really poor choice of words :lol: :lol: :lol: The chicken feet don't phase me in the least...I was a high school science teacher in the past and have 2 pet snakes now as a result...just placed an order for 300 frozen feeder mice! Dehydrated chicken feet are nothin'! Hee Hee :rotfl:

Maxxs_Mummy
3rd October 2006, 04:19 PM
Amy,

Glad he's feeling better - when they turn their noses up at food & give you 'the look' you know they're on the mend :lol:

Lynn,

Well believe this or not but rats, mice, spiders, snakes nothing like that bothers me - alive or dead. It's just the thought of a dog eating chicken feet with that disgusting scaly skin and the nails and bones attached :yuk:

blue_star
4th October 2006, 03:55 PM
Toby is feeling loads better, no more sickness (or the other). He has been eatting fine and is a lot more brighter in himself. The only problem now is getting his tablets down him, he has got loads of tricks but so have I :p

ALso i have not found any new scabs and the others seem to be clearing up nicely. Fingers crossed.

misty
4th October 2006, 05:47 PM
Well, just dried some liver and given Bradley a piece ...... he followed me to heel round the living room and did EVERYTHING I said :D

Obedience tonight will either be brilliant or a disaster, if Bradley constantly mugs me ;)

Nicki
4th October 2006, 10:18 PM
Oooh hope it went well Fran...mine are the same, they'd do ANYTHING for a liver treat!!

merlinsmum
10th October 2006, 05:30 PM
Just popped by sainsbury's and picked up two packs - the liver is in the pan coming up to the boil.........

My two (thats so nice to say!) haven't noticed yet - they are two busy chasing each other in and out of the front room (well Oakley hanging on to Merlin's ears as he runs in and out should I say!)

Will let you know the results!

Nicki
10th October 2006, 10:06 PM
DOn't look Donna but just found a UK source for chicken's feet!!

http://www.poppyandpals.com/naturaltreats.htm

they have other disgusting bits too...not too sure about some of them LOL

THe Christmas stocking looks good too

http://www.poppyandpals.com/xmas.htm

judy
11th October 2006, 03:44 AM
DOn't look Donna but just found a UK source for chicken's feet!!

http://www.poppyandpals.com/naturaltreats.htm

they have other disgusting bits too...not too sure about some of them LOL
..


Ooooooooh. puffed snouts. there's a concept.

at the pet store i visited Sunday, they had a kind of treat i hadn't seen before, called Bully Bites, little bite sized circles of bull johnson, like someone took a cleaver and went chop chop chop all a long the length of the thing. They had them along with other treats set out in paper plates to be sampled. Zack wasn't able to chew his piece up, he would've laid down on the floor and gnawed on it. But i took it away and gave him some of the other other stuff because we had to get going.

Has anyone seen Bully Bites?

Maxxs_Mummy
11th October 2006, 12:03 PM
DOn't look Donna but just found a UK source for chicken's feet!!



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I gave my friend's Border Collie (Maxx's best friend, Sam) a bully stick the other night. He loved it but when i told her hubby what it was, he almost had 40 fits and threatened to ban me from the house forever :lol: