harley said:
....Assuming I will take her out before I leave the house, it sounds like I should just allow her to make a "mistake" if she needs to while I am away until she grows enough to hold it for the few hours I may be gone instead of leaving the litter box at the other end of the playpen as far as possible from her bed. Is that right?...
I don't know about litter box training because i haven't tried it (i detest my cat's litterbox, and it's a self cleaning one)(and i'm lucky to have a small backyard for the dog) and in many discussions i've listened to about housetraining, i haven't heard of anyone using it . it seems not very common.
as you've seen, she is able to hold it for many hours, from 11 til 6, and she may have held it longer if you'd waited longer. Letting her out as often as possible is best because it's proactive, rather than waiting until she has a mistake, but the point is, dogs, even puppies, can hold it for longer than people often think, so leaving her for a few hours during the day is not necessarily risking her going pee or poo in her crate. I'd say the rule of thumb is, let her out as often as possible. Get home as soon s you can, don't make the unnecessary stop or do the errand that could wait, in order to be proactive and not give her the opportunity to make the mistake. But dogs can wait quite a while, even as older puppies, if they have nohwere to go pee due to being in a small crate.
If a dog has diarrhea, that is different. they simply can't control it. They would not poo in their crate if they could help it.
So again, the rule of thumb is, at first, for months, get home as fast as you can, but know that it will probably be ok when you can't. the fewer mistakes the better and letting her out a lot lowers the chance of it.
Using a litter box in the pen doesn't necessarily prevent the problem of mistakes, as you found. In your case, it seems to have caused there to be more mistakes than there would be if she was in a close fitting crate just the size of a bed.
For me, it's been kind of hard to come home to let Zack out rather than what i would've done instead, errands, social things, but i wanted to do it for the greater good.
i had the sense that i was building something, a dog who was conditioned to only go pee/poo outside. I've had him for 10 months now (he was 16 weeks when i got him) and gradually over time i've become more relaxed about getting right home, but i still do it as a general rule, more for the social reason than the housetraining one at this point, they are not dogs who are meant to be alone for very long.
I would say now, and for a long time, Zack can stay inside without a "mistake" for as long as necessary, i worked at the office yesterday and what i thought would be 4 hours turned into 7. he seems conditioned to handle that. but once in a while i find a pee on the bathroom rug--that seems to have happened while i was home!! :yikes and i'm not sure what that's about, but because it only happens every 2 or 3 months, i can't really work with him on it. I just leave the bathroom doors closed. then after a while i trust him again and leave them open and hope it won't happen again.
Congratulations on such a successful night.