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Linda
26th December 2006, 01:37 AM
I was just curious if most of your cavaliers have a bit of red around the outside of their mouths.

Dudley has a little bit, and for some reason I took a photo of him today and it really stood out. Hubby said he has always had it, I look in the gallery and from the photo's I looked at I see quite a few cavaliers with this.

I started doing a google search on yeast infections, but I after seeing all the other cavaliers with this I feel a bit better.

RockNRollCav
26th December 2006, 01:39 AM
Corgan has cute little pink lips :)

judy
26th December 2006, 10:42 AM
zack has pink around his mouth, sometimes it seems pinker than others, sometimes i dont' even notice it. last june, i thought it was pinker than usual but thought it was probably just my imagination--but it turned out to be pyoderma lesions. now, i always look harder at it when it seems especially pink. but i do think it's common. Belle has pink lips too. and a pink tummy. :)

Barbara Nixon
26th December 2006, 01:12 PM
Do you mean pink skin or discoloured hair ?

The hair gets discoloured by saliva and dogs who lick their legs a lot end up with pinky hair there, too. Pink skin shows because the hair is either finer or spaarcer in the area. Teddy's pink lips get redder if he's excited or up to mischief (blood supply increased? )

Linda
26th December 2006, 02:51 PM
Do you mean pink skin or discoloured hair ?

The hair gets discoloured by saliva and dogs who lick their legs a lot end up with pinky hair there, too. Pink skin shows because the hair is either finer or spaarcer in the area. Teddy's pink lips get redder if he's excited or up to mischief (blood supply increased? )

Thank you Barbara

I had a closer look at Dudley's mouth and the hair around his mouth is sparcer (sp).

It just stood out in the photo so much it frightened me but when you actually look at him it is no where near that pink.

Judy I did a google on pyoderma just to be sure, and Thank God this is not what Dudley has.

I once again went through the photogallery sections, I see that most of the Bleinhams & Tri's have this discolouration around their mouth.

Just wanted opinions, so I was'nt making a trip to the Vet.

Thank you

robynmp
26th December 2006, 08:31 PM
Zoe definately had pink around her mouth and sometimes it is redder than others....glad you posted this i was wondering too...just asked my mom about this 15 minutes ago

Nicki
26th December 2006, 08:55 PM
Sometimes they can get a yeast overgrowth...not something recognised by vets though :(

This can lead to pink discolouration of the hair, particularly around the face and sometimes the paws too, if they lick and/or bite at their paws or rest their heads on them.

Quite often they will have yeast infections in their ears too.

You can buy raw unfiltered apple {Cyder} vinegar. Mix equal parts vinegar and honey and administer with a syringe, add to food or put in fresh water daily.

I give half a teaspoon of the mixture every day to start with, until the red clears up.

It would be helpful to continue giving the mixture a couple of times per week.

You can mix up a few ounces ahead and store in a jar.

This gets the ph balance back up to a more acidic level and stops the growth of yeast in the body which is the root of this problem.



The vinegar also greatly reduces the smell of entire dog's urine..very helpful for feather wetters!!

judy
26th December 2006, 09:03 PM
thanks for that remedy nicki. zack sometimes gets that reddish fur under his eyes, near the inner corners, and i had read that yeast causes a reddish color, so i have made a solution of probiotics and water and washed the area with that, also giving some by mouth, and this has seemed to help, as i think the bacteria in probiotics destroy or consume the yeast. but i'm not sure if it helps because there have been times it didn't clear up when i did it.

the pink zack has around his mouth is from the skin color, not the fur, and it just the thinness of the hair i think. was interested in what Barbara was guessing about the changes in blood supply maybe explaining the way it's sometimes pinker than others. because it does show up more sometimes than others and sometimes i don't see it at all.

Linda
26th December 2006, 11:20 PM
Here is a darling picture I took today of my precious boy showing some of the red pigmentation.

Nicki I am sending you an email on this luv.

You are the best.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/ddd123/IMG_4058.jpg

robynmp
27th December 2006, 03:13 AM
Linda...looks just like Zoe's little mouth....are you going to try the apple cider vinegar?

Linda
27th December 2006, 03:34 AM
Linda...looks just like Zoe's little mouth....are you going to try the apple cider vinegar?

Robyn

I already called the Health Food Store tonight, but they were closed.

I will call again in the morning, I don't think the grocery store will carry Pure Apple Cide Vinegar, I bought that not long ago for the tear ducts.
I never did use it on a regular basis.

Roxanne
27th December 2006, 01:10 PM
I think I will try giving Colby some apple cidar vinegar in his food everyday to help with the red staining under his eyes . Does it have to be mixed with honey ?? I have some ACV that I bought from the grocery .......is that kind not good ??

Roxanne
27th December 2006, 01:14 PM
Linda ...... looking at Dudleys pic again .........I think thats pretty normal and doesnt look like red yeast staining . I have noticed alot of Cavaliers with this .....even Colby ...lookie
http://images20.fotki.com/v369/photos/5/53082/745783/NOV06049-vi.jpg

robynmp
27th December 2006, 01:41 PM
I gave Zoe and Bobo apple cider vinegar from the healthfood store in their water everyday when Bobo had kennel cough and a yeast infection
I don't know if it helped, but ti is supposed to be good for them anyway
I remember buying the natural raw apple cider vinegar....it is really cloudy

think i may try it again.....

Zoe's red lips
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/robynmp/zoe1.jpg

Linda
27th December 2006, 02:11 PM
Sometimes they can get a yeast overgrowth...not something recognised by vets though :(

This can lead to pink discolouration of the hair, particularly around the face and sometimes the paws too, if they lick and/or bite at their paws or rest their heads on them.

Quite often they will have yeast infections in their ears too.

You can buy raw unfiltered apple {Cyder} vinegar. Mix equal parts vinegar and honey and administer with a syringe, add to food or put in fresh water daily.

I give half a teaspoon of the mixture every day to start with, until the red clears up.

It would be helpful to continue giving the mixture a couple of times per week.

You can mix up a few ounces ahead and store in a jar.

This gets the ph balance back up to a more acidic level and stops the growth of yeast in the body which is the root of this problem.



The vinegar also greatly reduces the smell of entire dog's urine..very helpful for feather wetters!!

I just called the Health Food Store this morning, and they sell the pure unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar. I am so glad I am going to get some later today and start right away.

Nicki I would imagine you keep this at room temperature after mixed.
Is is also a good idea to give it to Darby, I would imagine it would not do any harm.

I am just wondering if I could give this 1/2 tsp directly into Dudley's mouth as he is so funny when it comes to smelling the forbidden in his food. I already add a plaque cleaner to the water would I be able to add both.

I appreciate your help.

Thanks guys, I feel so much better knowing that I am not alone not meaning it in a bad way either. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Linda
27th December 2006, 02:13 PM
I think I will try giving Colby some apple cidar vinegar in his food everyday to help with the red staining under his eyes . Does it have to be mixed with honey ?? I have some ACV that I bought from the grocery .......is that kind not good ??

Roxanne

I also have the one from the grocery store, I believe it has to be unfiltered and pure.

But we can wait on Nicki, I have sent her off an email too. :D :D

Zippy
27th December 2006, 05:48 PM
Mary Alice has little pink lips....so did our Charley.

As long as they aren't red, I think it's just their little lips.

So cute!

Dudley is just gorgeous!!

Nicki
27th December 2006, 06:37 PM
Lulu sweetie looking closely at this photo I don't think that's staining at all - it's just blood flow in the skin.

Looking at Colby and Zoe they are the same, that is normal.

The pinky red when it's yeast overgrowth is very much more pronounced - and is the fur not the skin itself.

Trying to find a photo to illustrate it...


The vinegar/honey mix won't do any harm, but I'd save it for when you need it - such as if they have staining around the eyes, or infections.


Roxanne, I don't recognise the brand - is ACV the initials for apple cyder vinegar? If so, then that will be fine - but Colby looks fine to me too.

Linda
27th December 2006, 07:01 PM
Roxanne, I don't recognise the brand - is ACV the initials for apple cyder vinegar? If so, then that will be fine - but Colby looks fine to me too.
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Nicki


Darlin, Roxanne is just using ACV short term I believe for Apple Cider Vinegar. ;) ;)

Thank you Nicki, I really appreciate your input.

judy
27th December 2006, 07:27 PM
last summer, someone recommended putting ACV in Zack's water to prevent fleas. But zack, who generally likes to drink water, wouldn't touch it. He sniffed it at first and tasted it, and then after that, he left it alone. But other people use this and recommend it. I could've given it to him by syringe but i didn't. That cloudy stuff in the vinegar is called "the mother," i believe. :| you're supposed to get the kind with the mother in it, they say.

i did spray zack with diluted regular white vinegar and water for fleas, as some recommended. I don't know if it helped much but he smelled like a salad.

Linda
27th December 2006, 07:47 PM
I don't know if it helped much but he smelled like a salad.

Judy

You are so funny, did he taste yummy tooooooooooo. :D :D :D

I bet he did. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Nicki
27th December 2006, 08:37 PM
If you leave it to stand for a bit then most of the odour goes off - they really don't like the odour.

Cathy T
28th December 2006, 01:58 AM
It's amazing how much goes on when I'm away for two days! :D Linda - Jake in particular has a very pink mouth just like Dudley. His gets particularly red if it's especially itchy. But it does settle down.

Om's Mom
29th December 2006, 04:51 AM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/OmsMom/webomredstain2.jpg http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/OmsMom/redstain.jpg I used a gentian violet mixture, dabbed on with cotton ball to apply the mixture onto stain. I used it around her mouth, especially that really dark area in the fold of lower lip. See http://www.cavaliertalk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6163 for the "recipe" and the photo in general gallery http://www.cavaliertalk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6171 for photos of her this December '06, without the stain. I also saw a thread in here (where? icon_nwunsure ) for a commercial product available online that works magic, even around the eyes.

Om's Mom
29th December 2006, 05:02 AM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/OmsMom/webOmletteinblanketIMG_0027.jpgOmlette, November '06

Om's Mom
1st January 2007, 08:59 PM
These gorgeous Cavaliers! I love the photos. Their mouths and fur look normal. :thmbsup: It's is just the pretty pink skin showing. On Om's Dec. '06 photos the red stain is very obvious.

Dorothy :l*v: