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14th February 2007, 10:00 PM
Well, she arrived yesterday and seems sweet as can be. Her name is Princess and is approximately 9 weeks old. Were so glad we made this decision. We spent a significant amount of time learning about the breed, the breeders, the Lancaster, PA (USA) Puppy mills and so much more. We found a wonderful breeder in Malvern, PA (USA).

Much to our suprise, she slept 9 hours her first night. After having her for nearly 24 hours, it seems like we are close to having her use her wee wee pad exclusively. It's too cold and snowy out, here to start her outside. Will get to that in March.

She sleeps quite a bit. I have read much on this forum about there laziness. Guess it's true but it also works well with my work from home business.

I myself own a Mobile Pet Grooming business in the US. Not a franchise, just a small 2 unit van business right now. It's a lot of fun. I do not groom as I have two very good professional groomers working for me.

We do hope for state level legislation to deal with the Lancaster Puppy mills. Since we did our homework, we did not get caught up into this. Unfortunately, one of my clients did.

Anyway, I am looking forward to getting more information from this forum and contributing my experiences where relevant.

Cathy T
14th February 2007, 10:19 PM
Welcome to the board!! Glad you did your research and are aware of puppy mills. Princess is the perfect name!!

14th February 2007, 10:19 PM
Welcome! Can't wait to see pics of your new baby! :flwr:

15th February 2007, 10:33 AM
Welcome! I'm only new here, but I've been treated so nicely and I'm sure you will be too.

Princess sounds wonderful. Can't wait to see pics of the pretty puppy.

15th February 2007, 02:03 PM
Welcome and cant wait to see more of Princess!

Scouty girl
15th February 2007, 03:38 PM
Welcome :flwr: . Princess, what a cute old-fashioned name. Love it!!

Puppies sleep alot. Give her about 2 weeks to really show you who she is. She will change significantly. She will have lots of energy, but will still sleep alot until she's about 4-5 months old. Cavaliers have a lot of energy and love to run around and play hard. My Scout is 10 1/2 months old. I've just been throught it, and still going through it.

She loves to curl up in my lap for snooze. If I'm working around the house and she's tired, she will follow me around looking up at me. As soon as I sit down, boom, right up in my lap for a snooze. She was just waiting for me to sit down. They are so cute. They are really great little dogs. Good Luck and enjoy your little Princess.

15th February 2007, 07:30 PM

15th February 2007, 08:13 PM
icon_welcome From Lily and me!

15th February 2007, 11:07 PM
Welcome! Can't wait to see pics of your new baby! :flwr:

I am not really sure how to post a picture. Can anyone help? :sl*p:

15th February 2007, 11:24 PM
If you go to the getting started section, there are instructions :)

16th February 2007, 05:55 AM
Nice to meet you! I'm fairly new at pix, but I'm learning. And if this old dog can learn a new trick so can you!

Neither of my Cavs have ever been as active as the people on this board talk about theirs being. A difference in breeding in one; the other was a puppy mill rescue. Mine do not play and never have. They are simply princesses and prefer to spend their time lying around.

Looking forward to getting to know you both.

16th February 2007, 06:12 AM
icon_welcome Oh I hope you will share your best grooming tips with us.

molly+charlies mum
16th February 2007, 01:14 PM
icon_welcome to you and princess :)

17th February 2007, 07:44 PM
Well, first I want to thank everyone for the warm welcome.

Unfortunately, we got some bad news this morning that has devistated us. Our new puppy has Polycystic Kidney Disease. Were really not sure what we are going to do at this point. In just a short time she has become a wonderful member of the family. I think we are going to have to come to the realization that the most humane thing to do is put her down.

Fortunately, the Breeder is very involved and supportive. As this is an inherited disease, she needs to have the other three siblings examined for the same problem. Stay tuned for next steps. :(

17th February 2007, 07:54 PM
Oh, I am so sorry. I don't know much about this disease, but I am just heart sick for you. Please let us know how you are doing. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. :flwr:

28th February 2007, 11:31 PM
Unfortunately, the news is not good for our new Princess. We had a specialist do an additional ultasound test today and discovered that both kidney's are concurrently mult-cystic and in a degenerative stage. He does not believe a low protein/low phosphorus diet will help all that much and gives the puppy 1 to 2 years of life.

While not common amoung Cavalier's, this is a heriditary disease brought on by both the mother and father being carriers. This has also been devastating to the breeder, who now has to have both dogs altered. If only one of the parents were carriers, then the pups would become carriers. Additionally, it is possible that the litter mates may at some point develop this disease down the road.

The Breeder has been very accomodating, including paying for all of the bills at this point. She has offered us the following options:

1) Replacing the puppy with another from the same litter.
2) Refunding all of our money, whether we keep the puppy or not.
3) Giving us another puppy and letting us keep this puppy.

The complication we have as a family is that we have all fallen completely for this puppy, especially my 8 year old daughter. Yet, keeping her will require a significant amount of attention as the disease progresses and then dealing with the loss afterwords. Although she has been doing ok, she may have difficulting controlling her urine elmination.

Has anybody on this forum had a CKCS or other breed in this or similar situation and if so, any advice?

Sorry the news wasn't better.

1st March 2007, 12:26 AM
I can't comment on the disease, but I just wnated to say how sorry I am. :flwr:

1st March 2007, 04:26 AM
OH, my, I am just catching your thread and I am so sorry to hear your sad news about your new puppy. How devastated you must be. :(

That said, it sounds like you have a responsible breeder and I'm happy to hear she is not continuing to breed the parents of your puppy given the situation, and that she has offered you a new puppy if you want one.

Cavaliers are such wonderful dogs and it must be so heartbreaking to have to contend with what you are dealing with ... I cannot even imagine.

If you do decide to get another puppy eventually from your breeder and take her up on her offer, I hope you'll consider getting vet insurance. I don't sell it or have any vested interest in it, but I bought it for my own dog to provide some peace of mind after reading about the other genetic health issues that impact the breed. It won't help you for your current puppy, but you might want to do a search on Pet Insurance for some useful threads on this board if you decide to get another puppy.

Good luck and I'm so sorry about your sad news. :(

1st March 2007, 12:27 PM
I was completely heartsick last night when I read about what has happened to you and your puppy. I can't tell you how sorry I am for you and your family...what a difficult decision you have in front of you. Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers. I know you will do what is best for all concerned.

Cleo's Person
1st March 2007, 12:45 PM
I am so so sorry to hear your news. I know nothing about that disease, but I'm new on this forum too and have discovered that people are very helpful and knowledgable here. I'm sure someone will know how best to advise you. I just wanted to add my deepest sympathy for you and your family as you make this difficult decision.

1st March 2007, 02:29 PM
I am not able to help you with your decision but did want to suggest that you post your inquiry under the Health section as more folks will see it that way. As I am sure you have already done, you might alos do a goggle or other search to see if you can get additional information and find out if there is a support group for owners of dogs with this condition. You also might want to check the AKC Canine Health Foundation and with the University of Pennsylvania Vet School to see if there is on-going research being done where you could have the puppy be part of a study and get special care.

Best of luck to you and I believe folks will be supportive of whatever decision you make.

2nd March 2007, 09:43 AM
:( :( omg i am sooo terribly sorry!! i cant even imagine what you must be going through! your breeder seems very responsible though....my deepest sympathies...

i agree...you should post about this in the health section as you will get a lot of responses with lots of helpful advice :flwr:

2nd March 2007, 06:33 PM
Well I must say this is really a supportive group with such kind people on it.

We made the decision to return the puppy to our breeder today in exchange for another puppy from her. Priness will always be in our hearts. Each day for the past 2 weeks, she would go with us to the bus stop with her little tag wagging to see our 8 year old off to school and then be there when she got home. She took her last trip up to the bus this morning, but we were all in tears. This has been real hard on my daughter.

Princess will be euthanized by the breeders vet sometime soon. She is already showing signs of deterioration.

Our new Cavalier is Megan. She is also a wonderful dog. She will get to meet my daughter this afternoon. She is a bit different in terms but still adorable.

Thanks to all.

2nd March 2007, 06:42 PM
:cry*ing: :cry*ing:

I am just catching this thread now. I am so sorry to hear that all of tha thappened to you and your little princess. When I was a little girl we had a yorkie who started suddenly walking into walls and falling over when he walked and so we took him to the vet and she discovered he had a brain tumor. We had to leave him there - it was awful. So I can understand where your daughter is coming from. I am glad that you've opted to get another puppy. .. she will really help you guys heal immensly. *HUGZ* and thoughts go to you and your family during this difficult time. Post pics of your new little baby whne you can ! :flwr:

2nd March 2007, 09:52 PM
What a difficult decision but one I can tell you made with compassion for the puppy and for your family. Hope that things do well with Megan.

3rd March 2007, 12:52 AM
So very sorry for you and your family. I know how hard this can be. I know you will love Megan to death and never forget Princess *ng*l

4th March 2007, 12:33 AM
Today is a better day. First, we have had a rename. Megan has become Abby. The family is doing much better and while Princess will be hard to forget, Abby has quickly taken hold of the family. We just have to be careful not to compare the two. They really have much different personalities.

Princess' Dad has already been neutered. Her Mom will be neutered some time after all of the pups have left the nest. I believe there is only one left that is sold and waiting to be picked up. All pups in the litter, including Abby will be Neutered. Hopefully in some way, Princess' death will somehow bring learnings about this disease as an autopsy of Princess will be conducted at an area research center.

Some early learnings about the heriditary nature of PKD is that both parents must be carriers in order to pass it down. There is better than a 60% chance that at least one pup will have the disease in this situation. However, all pups are at least carriers, which is why all the pups in this litter must be neutered. If just one parent is a carrier, then the other pups cannot get the disease but they have a good chance of becoming a carrier.

This whole experience has given me an appreciation of the breeding industry and how good breeders work with both the Vets and the pet owners.

Soon I will post pictures of both Princess and Abby.

4th March 2007, 12:46 AM
It sounds like you had a wonderful breeder. I hope that something good can come of Princess's death, and the autopsy will prove beneficial for research into this terrible disease. I'm sure little Abby will bring you many years of joy. :flwr:

4th March 2007, 02:22 AM
very happy for you that it has worked out ok....looking forward to seeing lots of pictures of both Princess and Abby...
:flwr: :flwr:

Cathy T
4th March 2007, 03:46 AM
Oh my gosh....just caught up with this. I am so sorry you had to go through this. They do steal your hearts so quickly. I definitely think you did the right thing in returning her to the breeder and letting her handle it. I know Abby is not a replacement...but am so glad you got another fur baby to help you through this.

This is an excellent example of why people need to go through a reputable and respected breeder. Had you purchased from a BYB I guarantee you would have not gotten the wonderful cooperation you got from your breeder. She/He is truly someone to respect and admire for handling this properly and not making the situation worse on you. I am so sorry they are having to go through this. Very devastating indeed.

On another note...can't wait to see pics of little Abby!!

Sharon 7
4th March 2007, 09:31 AM
I am just catching this thread also.
Very sorry to hear your bad news, that is very upsetting.
I wish your new puppy goodhealth and a long life.