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Kodee
16th February 2007, 10:21 PM
Hmm I have been fussing over Kodee's kibble because her stools are loose. The pumpkin (ice cube size each meal) and switching to 1/2 Canidae with the Innova Puppy has helped alot over the last few days. But today she was chewing these rawhide bars the Vet recommended Purina Chew-eeze, After about 10min chewing I noticed she went nuts itching and biting her back feet. Then I remembered when she was sitting with my daughter earlier she had one for about 3 min and went after her tail and feet but not as drastically so I didnt connect at the time. She hasnt touched them in a few days. I was thinking maybe its not the kibble issue at all but the rawhide. Is that possible? Can a dog be allergic to these. the smaller sticks say 100% rawhide but the vet ones (chew-eeze) I noticed have a few other additives (BHA) in them.

WoodHaven
16th February 2007, 10:40 PM
yes-- a dog (like a human) can have a reaction to almost anything. I am VERY picky when it comes to dog chews. I have had a couple of dogs have reactions (loose stool) to just chewing on certain rawhides.

Kodee
16th February 2007, 10:48 PM
Thank you, jeesh - I could kill myself! (ok so I am a drama queen) but I never for a moment thought past the kibble! Oh well, I should be glad she left them alone for a few day - without that, and the fact after chewing it she went wild again chasing her tail, biting paws etc.. I just wasnt putting the chew sticks as a culprit?

Question: she is a typical 11 wk puppy and has a big need to chew. Are any rawhide type ones safer? She has the nylon bone and chill bone and likes both but not to the point of the rawhide for longer quiet periods.

Lani
16th February 2007, 10:57 PM
Have you looked into Bully Sticks? Lucky loves them and they are more digestible - less likely to create a blockage.

Bully Sticks are made from cows, so if there is a raw hide allergy, it might be possible he's allergic to all beef products.

That said, the bully stick can keep him occupied for a very long time.

Other options for you are a kong, stuffed with frozen peanut butter (I put in a baby carrot and then top it with peanut butter). Also, I got a Pet Stages Focus Ball that I put a treat in. It's purpose is similar to the Kong but it has canvas ropes too for variety and Lucky likes it more than the Kong: http://www.petcarecentral.com/pt-00106.html it keeps him busy and gives him something to chew.

Lucky LOVES his. He only gets it when I go away and he jumps in his crate to get the treat and doesn't even notice when I disappear!

Good Luck. :flwr:

Cathy T
16th February 2007, 11:51 PM
Neither of mine tolerate rawhide...both are guaranteed to get the runs if they have any.

Charleen
17th February 2007, 12:17 AM
Merry is allergic to beef, so rawhides being beef, she is allergic to them too. I get Sam's Yams http://www.frontporchpets.com/sams-yams.html?gclid=CIDI8IuDtIoCFRlmWAodfTDvuw or Dr. Chew Sweet Potato http://www.bullysticks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BSS&Category_Code=SP

They are both nice for chewing and a great source of fiber.

They are also safer than rawhide. Dogs can swallow too big a piece of rawhide and choke. Jolly just did that last week with a flat piece of rawhide. Scared me real bad. I was able to reach into his throat and pull it out.

Karlin
17th February 2007, 12:30 AM
Bully Sticks are made from cows,

Actually they are from steers -- the part the boys have that cows definitely don't have... :lol:

How long do Sam's Yams last? Have never tried them.

Pig's ears last a long time but are very fatty and give some dogs the runs. Hooves last a long time. Booda bones and other cornstarch style bones can last forever for some dogs (not Lily).

Rawhides are often treated with a variety of chemicals and preservatives so that too could be what is causing a reaction.

First off I'd totally stop feeding the rawhides and see if the scratching/biting stops.

Kodee
17th February 2007, 12:32 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions. She has the regular kong and the dental one plus a ball that drops treats. Playing with toys and food stuffed things she is easily entertained for a while.

The rawhide sort of served a different purpose (OK NO LAUGHING HERE) she umm... promise no laughing.... chews while she lies in my lap and then falls asleep, just like a baby with a pacifer or bottle. Then like the true princess she is... I carry her to her crate or bed where she continues to sleep. :sl*p: Come on stop laughing, I know she is spoiled! Actually once we got the xpen escape solved this wk - she is getting quite used to it about 2 or 3 times a day while do some work - see we are making progress on not spoiling her all the time.

The Sam Yams look great - but after a quick internet search I am not sure I can get them in Canada - but I emailed them. It might be just the Purina one's as I noticed they have corn oil in them where as the sticks are just 100% rawhide.

Karlin
17th February 2007, 12:38 AM
Hmm corn is one of the grains that most often causes allergic reactions in dogs so that could be it. I get high grade rawhides that aren't treated with extra stuff like that. They are also just flat sheets about 1/8th inch thick so they can;t easily chew off an end (like they could with those knotted rawhide bones).

PS No I'm not laughing at all!

Cathy T
17th February 2007, 01:14 AM
You may not be laughing...but I am!! :lol: I think it's sweet though...that's why I'm laughing.

Sam's yams are great...but mine go through them pretty quick.

arasara
17th February 2007, 01:25 AM
Kodee,

Have you thought about booda bones, n bones or nylabones??

Kosmo can't have denta stix because they make his stools loose.

Faith chews on all of kosmo's chews so i have it easy there but she was particularly fond of the booda bones (you can get 2 at walmart for $6) and the good thing is that since she's so small, they last forever.

Good luck :flwr:

Linda
17th February 2007, 03:37 AM
Debbie

Both my boys just absolutely love Merricks Toothpicks, they sell them at Global.

I have never given either of mine rawhides.

arasara
17th February 2007, 03:51 AM
Debbie,

Gotta warn you - the Global on garden st in whitby (by your house) has texas toothpicks but only in individual sticks. They are 99cents each.

If you plan on trying them if I were you I'd call global and confirm they have them first because I've gone to SEVERAL that didn't carry them. It's really annoying going all that way just to find out they don't carry it.. grr :roll:

Linda
17th February 2007, 05:08 AM
Debbie

They have them in Thornhill. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kodee
17th February 2007, 07:11 AM
I have never heard of Booda bones or toothpicks. I will have to search out my baby's new pacifier umm I mean chew stick :roll:

But I am really bothered by pigs ears, etc... I had enough trouble knowing what rawhide was - umm Karlin I did not need to know the part bully sticks come from :yuk: your all corrupting me :shock:

So totally unrelated: she settled into her xpen today much better, no fussing, while I washed the floor! She lounged on a blanket on the floor instead of going into her crate and fell asleep for 1.5 hrs - now that was confidence! Next wk and I will brave the world again for.. oh i might force myself to leave her for 20min and actually go to a store!

Crittercall
17th February 2007, 06:05 PM
This may sound a bit off the wall, but have you checked her out with a flea comb??? Fleas most always like to go to a dog's rear end and a bite can put the dog into a frenzy! Just another suggestion.

I also have a "recipe" for doing your own yam/sweet potato treats if anyone is interested. I haven't tried them yet but have it on good authority that they are wonderful.

Beef is a big source of allergy in a lot of dogs, which is why you find so many diets that are chicken, turkey, lamb, etc. based now.

Good luck!! :D

Charleen
17th February 2007, 06:23 PM
Crittercall - I would love to see the recipe for making my own yam/sweet potato treats. Can you post it?

WoodHaven
17th February 2007, 06:38 PM
Crittercall - I would love to see the recipe for making my own yam/sweet potato treats. Can you post it?


I too would like the recipe. I have taken sweet potatoes, cut them thin and put them in my convection oven until dried like jerky.

Kodee
17th February 2007, 07:05 PM
This may sound a bit off the wall, but have you checked her out with a flea comb??? Fleas most always like to go to a dog's rear end and a bite can put the dog into a frenzy! Just another suggestion.

I also have a "recipe" for doing your own yam/sweet potato treats if anyone is interested. I haven't tried them yet but have it on good authority that they are wonderful.

Beef is a big source of allergy in a lot of dogs, which is why you find so many diets that are chicken, turkey, lamb, etc. based now.

Good luck!! :D I am sure there are no fleas - our area rarely has a problem and we personally never had with a dog for 15 yrs and a rabbit (no mites). I know depending on a geographical location it can be a nightmare even with diligence!

I'd love you to post the yam/potatoe treats! Let's have a Cavalier cook-off and taste test week :flwr:

Cathy Moon
17th February 2007, 10:21 PM
Yes, please do post your recipe for the yam treats!! :jump: :jump:
We will be forever grateful!

Linda
18th February 2007, 01:46 AM
Off topic, but Cathy I just adore your new Avatar.

Your furbabies are stunning. :D :D :D

Crittercall
18th February 2007, 04:18 AM
Here is the "recipe" for the Yams and a couple of other things that were suggested to me. I haven't made them yet because I don't have a food dehydrator.

Slice the potatoes on a mandolin slicer and place 6 racks in the dehydrator. Depending on the time of year, it takes 4 to 8 hours to dry them out. You can do the same thing in the oven at 200 degrees or less but it takes longer. (The mandolin slicer will help you have more uniform slices.)

OR you can cut them into bite size chunks and boil them until they are still a little crunchy. (This is obviously quicker.) You can also par boil carrots in bite size pieces, as well as green beans. Don't serve them raw, but cook them much less than if you were going to eat them yourself.

The person I got this info from said that she had been worried that her floors, furniture, etc. would turn yellow from the potatoes, but that the color doesn't stain anything. I haven't pursued this with my dogs yet because I'm not sure of the calorie content and I'm trying to get Wallis' weight down.

Let me know how it works!!

IsabellaBugatti
18th February 2007, 05:17 AM
Speaking of Merrick's, they make Bella's absolute favorite chews - Flossies (spiral shaped beef tendons). Added benefit, they are not quite as smelly as bully sticks. icon_whistling

Molly's mom
18th February 2007, 05:09 PM
I've done the yams in my food dehydrator and have found the timing and the size of the "slice" are key. If you dry them too long they get hard and dry. About 4 hrs seems right. I try to slice them into french frie size. The longer the yam slices the more Molly seems to like them.

Molly's other favorite treat are the mini Dingo bones. I consider those her "keep her busy for awhile treats".

I've found by reading labels that alot of raw hides contain so much dye they warn you on the package about it coming off on furniture and carpet :yuk:

I just watched a emergency vet show yesterday where they were treating a lab who ate 14 pig ears :yikes The vet on the show said that they really frown on alot of raw hide and especially pigs ears, because of the triangular shape of them can cause all kinds of problems.

Crittercall
18th February 2007, 06:16 PM
Bev, the pig's ears are awfully greasy, too. Most of the vets I know frown on the rawhide, pig's ear section of treats. I personally don't care for the cow hooves because of the smell. :grnyuk:

I supposed the timing of the yams would depend on the climate (and weather) where you live. It is so humid in FL; I tried to make caramel candies once and we ended up eating them out of a spoon. They never did harden enough to cut them into pieces and wrap them.

I saw the E-vet show was coming on, but we got involved in something else. I think I'd like to watch it. We had a young Golden come in once who had eaten a bowl of potato salad - bowl, aluminum foil over it and all. Talk about fun surgery!

judy
18th February 2007, 09:48 PM
i relate to the confusion about whether it's the food or the treats, or what?, causing soft mushy or loose stool. this was a slow learning process for me when i first got zack a year ago. Eventually i could see the pattern that whenever i gave various chew treats, he got small weird looking stool.

It was apparently the grain containing kibble too because EVO put an end to the mushy stool, but there was a pattern of worse stools after certain treats.

I haven't bought rawhide, i got spooked about it from reading some choking horror stories, same with greenies, but zack has rawhides when visiting belle's house, and i got some once when i took him on a motel trip, thinking it would be a change from the usual and might keep him occupied more. i think that some rawhides have caused zack to have weird stools, while others didn't, probably because of additives.

the only chew treats i give regularly are Sams Yams and Pegetables. Sams Yams last as long as rawhides for Zack and Belle. They are very firm and tough and hard, i can't tear the larger ones, though i can tear the smaller thinner ones.

Pegetables don't last as long but they are a nice size and shape and the dogs love them, and they last a little while. the first time i saw them, zack had just had blood drawn at the vet and he was in my lap, and the office manager asked if she could give him a treat, and it was a carrot pegetable, and he stayed in my lap chewing on it while i talked to the vet and office manager for 15 or 20 minutes. http://www.pegetables.com/products.htm.

They have them on amazon, and sams yams too.

i've never tried merricks flossies, i would like to, i wonder if they're at the pet store. I read that they are very high protein content, low fat, and some users said they last long.

Bully sticks are very long lasting and i was lucky to only have one out of several that smelled bad. At the store, they said it was a matter of luck?

You can get compressed hoof that is safer, it's granulated hoof that breaks off in small pieces and doesn't have the same risk as the regular hooves of breaking off and having sharp edges.