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Timski
27th February 2007, 08:31 AM
Hey all,

Firstly I'll just introduce myself, my name is Tim (if you hadn't gathered from my user name), and I will soon have a new baby Cav which I shall be collecting on the 7th of April! I figured it was better to wait due to the fact we know the breeder and trust her, even if we do have a 3hr drive to collect her.

Mainly the reason I am posting is because is it really worth spending the devoted time, money and love for a breed that is renown for there poor heath and heart problems. One of my friends is a vet and tells me every second dog that comes in with heart murmurs is a little Cavvy, I have read up on most of your site and we are prepared to cook it's meals ourselves with the nutrients and supplements, plus we are very devoted to our pets and will give it the attention she deserves. Anyway the breeder we are getting the dog from is quite picky about the Cavs that she will breed and tries to narrow down the chance of breeding a Cav that is in poor health. But only so much can be done, not to mention SM can strike any Cav regardless.

I guess I'm just worrying it was just the amount of reading I did about there health and I guess I am just focusing on the negatives of dog ownership. Either way I look forward to posting up pic's of the new baby and letting you guys know any questions I have.

Cheers,
Tim

Forest
27th February 2007, 10:08 AM
Hi Tim and welcome. We know the risks with cavaliers and as you said you have done research and gone to a reputable breeder who you trust. I have to beautiful girls and before my girls we had a boy who was 13 when he went to the bridge and yes he did have MVD but we enjoyed his 13 years. You could get a Boxer...my vet told me that Boxers are on the list for practically any condition that dogs get so I guess you just take your chances. I love my girls :D
Julie and the girls

inca
27th February 2007, 10:21 AM
i agree with Julie we know the risks in this breed and yes its worth the time and the money :)

as you are getting your puppy from a reputable breeder i would assume both parents hold clear heart and eye certificates although nothing is for sure at least you know this way that both both parents have been health tested your breeder should give you a copy of these as part of your puppy pack

Karlin
27th February 2007, 12:04 PM
Breeeders who heart test and know their lines generally produce cavaliers far more likely to be longlived. Many things owners can do will also greatly help ensure a longer life -- especially keeping their cavalier slim, as extra weight puts a lot of extra work onto the heart and a weak valve will wear out that much sooner.

If you fall in love with this breed as so many of us do, you both are willing to take a cavalier despite the chance of heart problems, but also, you become passionate about supporting good breeders and good health in the breed.

BTW both boxers and westies have more insurance claims in the UK/Ireland according to the main pet insurer here.

inca
27th February 2007, 12:12 PM
thats soooo true Karlin .....i would never breed without my girls holding clear certs and any stud i use must have the same ....i also look back into a dogs pedigree to ensure long living lines no matter how much i may like the dog i won't use him unless he ticks all these box's

PamH
27th February 2007, 01:48 PM
Welcome Tim. I had a yorkie for 14 yrs before Maddy.
Before that I had one or two mutts.
I have never ever bonded to any of them like I have to Maddy.
What a special special girl she is.
Right now my husband has the flu and she will not leave his lap.
She is comforting him and not caring about walks, playing or anything else.
You won't regret it.
Pam

Crittercall
27th February 2007, 03:47 PM
Welcome to the board, Tim. You've obviously done some homework.

I have a very sick Cavalier on my hands right now. She's in the Senior Dogs division. And even with the heartache I'm having right now, I wouldn't change a thing for the joy that she has given me.

IMO, you are making a decision using Man logic and talking to primarily a bunch of Women who use more emotional thinking. (My husband and I talk about this a lot - he's 98% logic, I'm 98% emotion. :D ) I'm not saying that as a put down; it is just the case when it comes to women and men.

That said, I think that something you need to ask yourself is if you are ready and willing to have an animal knowing that there is the potential for health issues (now or in the future) and love that animal with all you've got (because it will return that love ten-fold), OR do you choose the path to not love the animal because you don't want to face the risk of being hurt somewhere along the line?

Any dog you get is not going to come with a paper that says it will live to be "x" number of years old. Things happen that are beyond our control. But the special ways of a Cavalier are something that I've never seen with any other animal. We have two Cavs and a shihtzu. We love them all, but the oldest Cavalier has always had just that something special about her. She came from an excellent breeder, born with a birth defect (micro-opthalmia), but there is just something different about her. Our other Cav was a rescue from a puppy mill so she isn't quite the same.

I'm not trying to come on as harsh and hateful. I think it's great that you've studied a breed that you are interested in. I also think that there are pitfalls that you can find with just about any breed you look into.

Are you looking for a family pet or for a dog to breed?

You're a logical man - just trying to give you a bit more to think about.

Good luck and let us know what happens - and pictures if/when you get the Cav!!

Timski
1st March 2007, 04:56 AM
Hey all,

Firstly thanks to all for replying, we have definatly settled on getting a Cav, not to mention I don't think a boxer would really go in my house and small yard... Besides Cavvy's are too cute. I've wanted one for years but I was just the recent reading about there conditions that seemed to scare me a little bit. either way basically all I needed to hear was.



we know the risks in this breed and yes its worth the time and the money


I just didnt want to invest so much emotion into a pet that will upset me if it gets sick, then again life is about the journey not the destination.

I have heard stories like your's before PamH and there one of the reasons I love Cavaliers so much.

Either way thank you all for replying, I will keep you all posted with the details.

Cheers,
Timski

Zippy
1st March 2007, 05:20 AM
icon_welcome

Our Charley lived for many years with a heart murmur, was "managed" with medication for about 6 years and he passed away at age 14 yrs 4 months, from heart failure.

Those 14+ years with our beloved Charley were wonderful.

Now we have our little princess, Mary Alice and shall take life as it comes but with joy and happiness.

However much time you have with your Cavalier will be wonderful, like nothing you've ever experienced.

We cannot imagine life without a Cavvie.....truly. :flwr: :flwr:

Crittercall
1st March 2007, 05:27 AM
Timski - I'm glad that all the input helped you to make a decision. I'm old so I'm allowed to come down a little harder than some people do. (I also have a sense of humor heavy with sarcasm :D ) I didn't want to offend you, but sometimes it's good if someone plays Devil's advocate to make us think things through thoroughly and ask all the questions.

If you have any questions about where my heart and mind are coming from right now, look under any of the posts about Wallis and her updates. I have a 12 year old Cavalier that I had been taking to a useless vet for several years and have just found out in the past few weeks that she is living right now with not 1, not 2, but 3 different things that could each be fatal. But at this point she's still having a good quality of life, isn't in pain, so we're going to keep on keeping on.

Did you say what color your Cav is? (I told you, I'm old and have no memory!!) So exciting! I get so envious of the new babies that come on board. I look forward to seeing yours and seeing pictures of the happy family.

Timski
1st March 2007, 06:12 AM
Good work Zippy, 14 years from a Cav sounds like it's quite a good innings but it would still be horrible to lose such a good friend.

Anyway Critter that sucks about Wallis but I guess you cannot really ask for much more than for her to not be in pain, she is lucky to have a loving mum.

As for my new baby it will be a blenheim female... front runners for names currently are Audrey, Wendy and Kashi (sweet in japanese)

Crittercall
1st March 2007, 06:16 AM
Tim, I believe that she will let you know her name when you get to know her. The majority of the pets I've had have done that. I have started out calling them one thing then suddenly I would be calling them something else that just seem to fit them better and they would respond to the new name. (My family gave me a hard time when I changed a bird's name several times; the next bird we got they told me that the first name I gave her was going to be the only name they would call her! Wallis went through 3 or 4 names before she became Wallis.)

Maxxs_Mummy
1st March 2007, 02:18 PM
Tim,

If it's any consolation to you, my hubby had always grown up with big dogs and our 1st dog together was a GSD who unfortunately we lost at the tender age of 5.

I had wanted a Cavalier since I was a small child and was determined to have my own way and get one. Like you, I researched the breed and was still worried. Now however, my eldest Cav is almost 8 & not 100% well. I took on a rescue Cav knowing he was poorly and my home is always open to a Cav in need of a loving home. My hubby, though he's a man - ;) :lol: - agrees with me and has even told his mates that he would never have any other breed of dog. I am keeping on at him about a 3rd and whereas before he would have said a definite NO! It is now just a :roll: that I get - then a resigned sigh that I am determined to replace him with Cavaliers at night time. Probably because Maxx gets right in between us and cuddles into me :lotsaluv:

Barbara Nixon
1st March 2007, 02:50 PM
All cavaliers aren't ill. Monty, 11 years 4 months, has a murmur, but it's never bothered him. Izzy, who's 9years 9 months, , on the other hand, has had a very bad murmur,needing lots of medication, for over two years. He's had upsets, but between , has a real jest for life.

His photo, in my avatar, shows the mischief is still there.

Lindsay
1st March 2007, 02:50 PM
Tim, welcome and so glad you have been doing your homework! I only found this site after having my first 2 cavs. I knew that they were prone to heart problems when I fell in love with this breed, and it is only now after joining this site do I know the full extent of their health issues.

That said, every time Spencer gives me the "Your the best mommy in the world" look, every time Izzy gives me the "Can you keep a secret? I might act all tough, but I really do love you and you can kiss on me when no one is looking" look, and every time Tilly gives me the "I love you so much and I am just so happy to be yours" look, I know that even if they all fell ill tomorrow, every single second and penny devoted to them would have been absolutely worth it. :flwr:

Good luck with your new little baby :)

matties mum
1st March 2007, 03:35 PM
Tim icon_welcome :jmp2: :*nana: ----Aileen and the gang (Jazzie----Barney-----Sam)

Timski
18th March 2007, 11:14 PM
Hey guys, I went and saw her the other day... Ive posted pics and info in the puppy pictures section.

http://cavaliertalk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=86992#86992

Karlin
19th March 2007, 01:07 AM
Heh! Now HOW are you going to resist that face? They are the most wonderful breed and the puppies are so, so sweet! :)

moniechris
19th March 2007, 01:25 AM
I stumbled upon this site because one of my boys had diahrrea of all things :lol: I had always thought it was just my boys who were this affectionate, this endearing and this passionate about giving back every ounce of love I give to them ten-fold. But it turns out, that is just a breed trait!! :lotsaluv:

I have been very fortunate that we haven't had any health issues as of yet, and I hope that this continues. With my third cavalier, I did my homework as you have done. Every second that they are with me, makes them worth any heartache that may come years down the line. I don't think I will ever own another breed, and I used to be a German Shepherd / border collie person! :D

Crittercall
19th March 2007, 03:58 AM
Monica - you might want to cut and save your comment to read again in a few years. :(

Yeah, they are worth the love. But oh the heart does hurt.

Tim, I posted with the pictures - but will say again that you have 2 beautiful girls in your life.

Caraline
19th March 2007, 06:55 AM
Mainly the reason I am posting is because is it really worth spending the devoted time, money and love for a breed that is renown for there poor heath and heart problems. One of my friends is a vet and tells me every second dog that comes in with heart murmurs is a little Cavvy,

Hey Tim

Welcome to the list. I really like your approach. You are doing your homework & you are asking difficult questions. I was in your shoes a few months ago, and even now, as much as I love the breed, I have my days where I feel unsure whether my husband & I have made the right decision.

People mentioned Boxers. Well up until a few years ago we had 7 and we are now down to only 2. Our Scarlett & Sam are the only ones that made it to senior citizenship, currently aged & 11 & 9 respectively. I always said I would never have another dog with known serious health issues, and yet here I am. You might wonder how that happened.

Well my husband has always wanted a CKCS or 2 and I figured it was his turn to select the breed. I did a whole lot of homework, read, searched the internet, asked questions, educated myself, and yes at one stage I actually said to my husband "no CKCS - they have too many health issues & I don't want to be looking over my shoulder at SM for the next 10 or more years". My hubby, who is usually the one really into research kind of didn't want to hear it, so... the rest of it is history.

We adopted a 2 year old Sonny a couple of months ago and we now have our 11 week old Beau. About 5 days ago I noticed Beau scratching his tummy & I felt the first wave of dread. I kind of cornered my husband & told him he better start reading up about SM. He did. So now, we are both looking at our darling little Beau & hoping against hope the the grass is making him itchy around his tummy, or something, anything other than SM.

We had a long talk, and like perhaps many others on this forum, we have decided that we love our CKCS, even though they have been with us for such a short time yet, that they have wormed their way into our hearts, and that we will stand by them & make the very best of what we have, and with the decisions we made in taking on the breed.

I know my answer is not a particularly “up” one, but it is my honest feeing and I think you deserve the honest answer.

Better to have love & lost, than to have never loved at all. :flwr:

Bet
19th March 2007, 10:35 AM
Could I mention that I dont think its the long lived lines in a Cavalier's pedigree background ,I think its the amount of long lived Ancestors a Cavalier has thats important .

There are Cavaliers whove had an early murmer ,and still gone onto live to a normal old age ,was this because of the amount of long lived Cavaliers in their pedigree back-ground

Can I just mention TUPPENCE ,she lived to 19 YEARS 4 Months and 3 WEEKS ,her sister PENNY lived 17 YEARS

TUPPENCE is the oldest Cavalier that I know about,she did have a good number of long lived Ancestors in her back-ground ,one was DONNA who lived to 6 weeks short of 18

Bet

Karlin
19th March 2007, 03:58 PM
You are right Bet; I didn't think of diffentiating and I tend to use those terms interchangably (lines and ancestors). 'Lines' can branch in many ways, and a given dog in a line may end up with early onset MVD for example, so what you really want are some longlived *specific* ancestors.

I know of an Irish cavalier that reached 19 as well. I don't think it came from any definite pedigree'd line -- have a feeling it was likely a BYB cavalier. There are a few in my area who are 10+ as well and I get requests from people for rescue dogs, who send me emails about how they lost their last cavalier at 14, so the oldies are out there. :) I just homed a nearly 12 year old rescue. :wggle: