27th February 2007, 05:51 PM
Please can anyone get this dog out of the pound tomorrow; please note there is offer of foster in Portlaoise and the rescuers MUST be contacted this evening to be able to intervene or this B&T WILL BE DEAD by tomorrow morning.

More info here


I am away to the US in the morning and cannot get this dog out but if someone can just get him and hold him even in a crate for the day, and transport to Portlaoise to foster I can help get him sorted with tara after that. A crate or hallway for one day is better than dead!

THIS DOG HAS NO CHANCE AT ALL UNLESS SOMEONE CAN GET HIM. They will give him NO second chance. This pound WILL kill him by mid morning unless rescuers know someone can get him. :cry*ing: :cry*ing:

matties mum
27th February 2007, 06:36 PM
please some one go and get him please ----Aileen and the gang (Jazzie---Barney---Sam)

27th February 2007, 06:46 PM
Please note people need to liaise directly with Ann who rescues from this pound -- contact details at link above -- we do not know if pound will even release him in the morning but if so he will need to be out immediately.

murphy's mum
27th February 2007, 06:48 PM
Oh my god, please, please someone help this poor dog. I wish I was close enough to go myself :(

27th February 2007, 07:15 PM
Oh please someone save this litle baby. I will say all the prayers I know that he can be rescued. h*lp

27th February 2007, 07:18 PM
Someone has offered to foster on the Petsireland board, does she know to contact them direct rather than just post there? I don't have access to that forum to say anything there

27th February 2007, 07:50 PM
I live in Dundalk. I can pick him up tomorrow if its needed, I wont be able to keep him but ill try to bring him wherever he needs to go. I spoke to Anne and she is going to call me if she needs me.


27th February 2007, 08:01 PM
:jump: b*n*n* b*n*n* b*n*n* :jump:

Cinder sends you sloppy kisses of thanks!

Harry & Heidi's mom
27th February 2007, 08:05 PM
thats great news :flwr:

27th February 2007, 08:12 PM
Thank you Murph :cry*ing: *tears of relief*

matties mum
27th February 2007, 08:35 PM
Oh thank you all the dogs sends loads of kisses :jump: Aileen and the gang (Jazzie---Barney---Sam)

27th February 2007, 08:50 PM
Oh thank goodness. You are an *ng*l

27th February 2007, 09:39 PM
Thanks Murph for offering to go get him -- that's an enormous help.

However sadly this dog is NOT safe.

The pound currently intends to put him down because the owners brought him in to have this be done due to his having supposedly bitten or nipped twice. We have no way of changing this -- the decision will lie with the pound -- they usually will not release dogs that are said to have bitten.

Someone will be speaking formally to the pound in the morning to see if they will allow him out on the basis that we will professionally temperament test (and we will also check for pain or other reasons he may have bitten). Let us hope they will allow this and that Murph will be able to get him out so that he can continue into foster.

*Please* do not directly contact the pound regarding this dog as this will make the situation more difficult than it currently is -- the rescuers will do the best that they can and we will know in the morning what the situation is.

27th February 2007, 10:19 PM
This is just HORRIBLE, and I cant believe that the pound "just takes word for it" and puts them down....How very shameful~ :(

Hopefully the people that relinquished the dog cant get their hands on another anytime in the future....People just make me beyond sick sometimes.

27th February 2007, 10:26 PM
oh no how sad, I will be worryin all night about this poor litte un

Cathy T
27th February 2007, 10:48 PM
Good wishes sent out to everybody involved that this little one can be tested and hopefully saved.

27th February 2007, 11:05 PM
I wonder why the rescue have posted asking for a foster if they refuse to allow him to go because he is alleged to have bitten.
Fingers crossed for you little fella

27th February 2007, 11:21 PM
Im so relieved someone is going to save that lil baby

27th February 2007, 11:51 PM
This makes me sick! While I know that biting is a problem, if I had a dime for every time my Lhasa nipped at me, I'd me a rich woman and I had her for 13 years. That tends to be the temperament of Lhasas but certainly not Cavs. If this is true, there has to be a reason, which these people obviously didn't bother to find out. I can't beleive a pound would just put this dog to sleep when there are people who will take it. I pray they will release this poor dog.

28th February 2007, 01:01 AM
OMG :yikes Poor little love. I hope that the pound will let him out. He can have a home here if need be. I will send him positive thoughts for his freedom & his life :hug:

matties mum
28th February 2007, 07:07 AM
If I could I ask just 1 question not to the pound but to his owners HOW COULD YOU ?----Aileen and the gang (Jazzie---Barney----Sam)

28th February 2007, 09:35 AM
Really hope he gets out today i would take him in an instant poor little guy, Aileen i second that question.

Sarah Xxx

28th February 2007, 09:52 AM
Hi Guys,

Im sorry to say i recieved a phone call from Anne and its not good news. The owner insisted he bit him and he wants him put down. The pound are going to go with his wishes and he will be put down this morning.

Im sorry to be delivering such bad news.... I was so looking forward to meeting the little fellow and bringing him to his new life.

Anne will call me if there is any change in this but it sounds like the decision has been made.


28th February 2007, 10:03 AM
Oh no :cry*ing: poor baby.

Sarah Xxx

28th February 2007, 10:04 AM
That is so sad :(

matties mum
28th February 2007, 10:15 AM
:( :( I would have had him ---Aileen

28th February 2007, 10:19 AM
Are they going to put him down without even testing if he bit the man?that's so disgusting.

Harry & Heidi's mom
28th February 2007, 10:26 AM

Cleo's Person
28th February 2007, 10:37 AM
I am so sorry to hear this. Murph, thanks for keeping us updated. It is such a shame. I am bewildered as to what would provoke a cav to bite, such a pity they won't do the test.

28th February 2007, 10:43 AM
Yes, They are putting him down without any testing. They are taking the owners word for it, apparently if an owner requests that a dog be put down after biting then they put him down. The owner has insisted that he will not be rehomed. Anne tried very hard to get him released but to no avail.

Harry & Heidi's mom
28th February 2007, 11:11 AM
:swear: stupid owner :swear: stupid pound

:cry*ing: poor cav, hope things go peacefully

28th February 2007, 12:02 PM
Oh my word, that is just so upsetting and appalling too. I could understand it if it was an aggressive breed of dog but never a Cavalier.

As I said earlier, I would have taken him. I just hope that the 'owner' and whoever makes the rules at the pound can live with themselves.

What goes around, comes around :(

28th February 2007, 12:23 PM

Some people should never own a pet. This is obviously one of them. :swear:

28th February 2007, 12:54 PM
I'm speechless..........I don't get it - it costs money to pts but not to rehome?

28th February 2007, 01:01 PM
I am in tears reading this. I am sure there is a good reason, if this dog bit his owner. I'm sure the rest of you are thinking what I'm thinking about this horrible person as to why this poor little thing may have bitten him, if true. Is there not something that can be done for this pound to release this poor baby :cry*ing:

28th February 2007, 02:58 PM
This story makes me sick to my stomach.

I hope Karma really comes back around to haunt these owners.

I am a firm believer in your dog will act the way you've taught it to act. If they had trained it properly in the first place and explored to see if the cause of biting was any sort of medical condition then the dog wouldn't be in this position. :( :(

28th February 2007, 02:58 PM
This hurts my heart :( :( :( I am with you, doggydad. I guarantee there was a home out there that would have been appropriate for this dog. :( :( :(

Cathy T
28th February 2007, 03:44 PM
What a shame....that's just not right!!

murphy's mum
28th February 2007, 03:48 PM
:swear: :swear:

I am so angry and upset that this has happened. What a horrible thing to have happened. It should be the bloody owner that got PTS not the poor dog. Honestly! A Cavi with an aggressive temprament, I would never believe it, unless they did something terrible to it :swear:

:cry*ing: :cry*ing: :cry*ing:

28th February 2007, 03:54 PM
At least they should have had to courage to take the little one to the vet themselves where he could have been checked over for a problem that may have caused him to bite. Could be something as simple as an anal gland abscess. Why subject him to the upset of the Pound if they were adamant he was to be pts?

We rescued an old boy back in November, hubby woke him up rather suddenly and got bitten on the nose for his trouble! However, when it is so out of character which it is with cavaliers, then look for a cause.

I am so saddened,


28th February 2007, 04:38 PM
Yes, They are putting him down without any testing. They are taking the owners word for it, apparently if an owner requests that a dog be put down after biting then they put him down. The owner has insisted that he will not be rehomed. Anne tried very hard to get him released but to no avail.
:( I'm confused? Is it standard in pounds for owners to have that much control or is it just this kennel? I am probably "uneducated" in these things, but I would have thought the law would protect the animal if someone was willing to take the dog and proved they had the resources to retrain regardless of what the owner wanted. Unless it was something like a reported bite (you know dog attacks kid type thing). Any breed can turn into a fear biter, including cavaliers, but to assume without testing? So wrong...

28th February 2007, 04:48 PM
This story makes me sick to my stomach.

I hope Karma really comes back around to haunt these owners.

I am a firm believer in your dog will act the way you've taught it to act. If they had trained it properly in the first place and explored to see if the cause of biting was any sort of medical condition then the dog wouldn't be in this position. :( :(

.Amen to that. Couldn't agree more

28th February 2007, 05:24 PM
This is UNBELEIVABLE. Is it completely out of the range of possibility that this owner simply didn't want to tend to the dog anymore and didn't want to look irresponsible by creating a story?? It wouldn't be the first time. I can't beleive the shelter is unwilling to give the dog to a rescue in order to do testing. I thought that when you legally surrendered a dog your desires no longer apply??

Good God! My faith in humanity is slipping away with every article I read today. I just want to go home and collapse.

28th February 2007, 07:00 PM
I have to admit I thought that was odd too- that the owner's wishes still counted, even though the dog had been surrendered. However-I might be wrong- but I understand that even if there had been no biting(!) issue this poor man may well have been put down anyway, simply by virtue of being a surrender.

I too am upset. The photo shows him to be as identical to Holly as one dog can be to another. I was all set to phone and get the train to Dundalk last night- it was only the times for getting back and the fact I couldn't get through on the mobile that stopped me.

If rescuers had noted- and possibly pound staff themselves- that the dog was sweetnatured even around strangers (didn't Karlin comment to that effect?) I can't help wondering why there wasn't more flexibility, especially when so many people were standing by to get this dog out and into foster and then a home.

matties mum
28th February 2007, 07:39 PM
This hurts my heart :( :( :( I am with you, doggydad. I guarantee there was a home out there that would have been appropriate for this dog. :( :( :(
I would have took this boy if you look at the photo of my dog you would know

28th February 2007, 08:01 PM
I just want to thank all of you who are involved in rescue or were willing to foster or take this little fellow, or help in any way with his rescue. I know how much this had to hurt you, knowing your hands were tied. There is a special place in heaven for you all. *ng*l

28th February 2007, 08:06 PM
internet has not being working here and i cannot believe what i am reading!! god that makes me so mad!

28th February 2007, 09:51 PM
Wanna Give Karma a Helping Hand... My best ideas always come when I clean. So I was thinking about everyone here noting how this is wrong. But to actually provoke good from bad, better to complain locally. Those who live in this region, those involved in animal rescue of that area and people who offered foster stay should write their local newspaper editors. If the facts are indeed correct; the dog owner insisted it being put down, the pound didnot test for aggression to see if it was true, people really did call and offer foster care - then let it be heard where it counts instead of here. Karma will find the owner; how many people in an area can own a black/tan cavalier that suddenly was gone...

28th February 2007, 11:51 PM
Ive had this on my mind all day~

Ive had a CRAPPY week, and its not over yet....But this is just the capper.
I hope that poor little soul rests in peice, and I hope whomever turned him in without even TRYING to turn him to rescue gets whats comming to him.

1st March 2007, 01:39 AM
I can't believe the pound will just take the word of someone....too many people put dogs to sleep for the wrong reasons. I once worked with a woman who had her poor dog put to sleep because the dog pottied in the house (she was too lazy to really train the poor dog, it was a young dog too). It is unreal what some bad vets and bad pounds will do, they need to be investigated!!! Too bad the TV and newspaper didn't report on this nonsense.


1st March 2007, 01:45 AM
I am completely disgusted with this!!
Our little Missy was also tagged as being aggressive and bitting.
Turns out she was matted to the skin under her legs causing pain everytime someone touched her.

This world is failing is so many ways.

1st March 2007, 06:08 AM
I am going to give some real world context for this because this case is all about the realities of rescue and how hard decisions are made.

Owners actually do legally have the say when they hand in an animal to the vet OR the pound -- if they ask for the dog to be put down, technically the vet or pound cannot refuse. Some vets do -- but others will say they cannot if they are specifically asked.

I must stress we also knew nothing about this particular dog. I would have liked him to be released but if we had tested him and he was reactive, we may have had to take the same decision -- to pts. I would not hesitate to take this decision. While he seemed to be fine in the short exposure the rescuers had to him, this doesn;t mean he was't biting people. And I DO know of aggressive cavaliers -- sometimes from bad lines due to backyard breeding, sometimes due to them being puppy farm dogs or badly treated. ANY dog can be violent and dangerous INCLUDING a cavalier. Lisa was recently bitten for the very first time during one of Dog Training Ireland's special classes for difficult dogs -- they have run these a couple of times -- and guess what breed bit her? Yes: a cavalier.

Also to give some context: pounds everywhere are the same. Some will work with rescue -- and this particular one does -- but that does not mean they will feel they can take the legal risk of releasing a dog known or said to have bitten. If we rehomed, and he hurt a child seriously, and the new owner sued the pound for releasing a dog which its own records show was biting -- the pound would be in serious trouble as would the county council. Most pounds will not take this risk. We had hoped this one would in this case be willing to turn a blind eye but I was fairly sure they would not release him.

Also I think maybe people need to go in and do some general rescue from the pounds to see how under pressure they often are and the rescuers are. Most pounds are always full. New dogs come in every single day. To make room for them all that can be killed, are. A surrendered dog has at most 24 hours to find a home or is pts as these are the dogs the pound is allowed to pts right away -- and they often do not have the room to accommodate them so they go first. This is why there was such urgency about this dog -- if there was any chance of the pound releasing him we needed him out immediately that morning. They do not hold dogs for a day or two or even til the afternoon much of the time.

Ann deals with dozens of dogs a week being killed -- dogs that are perfectly rehomeable -- not because the pound insists it will put them down but because there are no fosters for the dogs, no homes, no funds to pay for short term kennelling. So there is a very big picture that goes beyond this dog and which I'd urge anyone in Ireland to learn more about at irishanimals.ie and anvil.ie.

This also is not an Irish issue: pounds in the UK and the US will also put down dogs as soon as they are able and that includes cavaliers. The problem is NOT the pounds -- unpleasant as they may seem, they are there to offer a humane alternative to dogs being drowned, shot, or otherwise 'disposed of' in the old ways. They also offer a safe place for a dog to see if the owner will reclaim rather than leaving it roam on the streets. A lot of them could be more accommodating to rescue and more willing to work together, but I do understand the legal situations surrounding their operation and the fact that they simply do not have the ability to make special exceptions for dogs most of the time.

The problem is us, meaning people generally. Collectively, we can always do more -- talk to county councillors and politicians, write the relevant minister on the need for better animal welfare infrastructure and funding and spay/neuter programs, consider fostering (I still have only a tiny handful of people willing to foster even on a short term basis -- I don't yet have any offers to foster the spayed female I may have coming in, for example -- and if I cannot get fosters for cavaliers known to be of good temperament then imagine Ann's situation with one or two dozen mixed breeds, all sizes, needing out every single week? That's the difficult position everyone in rescue faces. People get upset at a rescue coming in... but wait for someone else to do something about it, collect it, offer foster, offer a home. That someone else could be you! :)

So please consider directing some of your frustration in a positive way -- and think about what YOU can do rather than getting upset at what you wish someone else had done. Pushing for change at the political level, donating to local or national rescue groups, fostering, transporting, pushing for spay/neuter -- and NOT BREEDING unless you have the background and knowledge of health and conformation to be doing it correctly -- all make a difference.

I am sad about this fellow and we'd really hoped to give him a second chance, but once I heard he was handed in for biting and the owners had actually brought him in to be pts I feared we had little chance. I am thankful to all those who tried to help in many ways.

Remember there are many more cavaliers in pounds everywhere and no one knows they are there if someone doesn't go in and see them and try to get them out. Let's not forget those hidden dogs that get no chance -- and maybe consider liaising with your local general rescues to offer to help with any cavaliers; or consider establishing a relationship with your own local pound to see if you can be notified if any cavaliers come in.

matties mum
1st March 2007, 07:24 AM
Good ideas Karlin I am going to see if the pound near me will give me a ring if any cavaliers are find/took in thank you ----Aileen and the gang ( Jazzie---Barney---Sam )

1st March 2007, 07:37 AM
So please consider directing some of your frustration in a positive way -- and think about what YOU can do rather than getting upset at what you wish someone else had done

i completely agree with this but it still makes me mad :swear: and :( with such a waste of a good life...

Barbara Nixon
1st March 2007, 10:14 AM
Two years ago Bath Cats and Dogs home had a beautiful friendly Blenheim boy in; very waggy and friendly. He was advertised on Dogpages, as they couldn't get anyone to take him, the reason being his sudden rages, rather like the cockers rage syndrome. One of the cavalier rescues approached the home, offering help, but did not dare take the dog, after hearing the full story. The home had tried its best with behaviour specialists etc, but nothing could be done and he eventually bit staff there.

I have first hand experinece of an aggressive cavalier; my Teddy. He's from excellent breeding (His brother has ccs, so must have the right temperament) and has not been ill treated. My other dogs are fine, but Teddy turned (on me and two of the other dogs) around 18 months. After biting me (just the once and never again) I really didn't trust him and would have liked to rehome him. However, who would want him? The alternative, you know, so I kept him and worked on him.

Luckily, he was the kind of case that can be turned round and I can trust him 95% of the time and sense his moods and act apprpriately the rest of the time. We still have some work to do on meeting some strangers and strange dogs met outside our home, but we are getting there.

1st March 2007, 11:04 AM
I have had my name down with Dogs trust, RSPCA and several rescues to foster any Cavaliers that come in, for quite some time now. I have had a few come and then go onto their new homes & can honestly say, in my humble experience that any aggression towards humans is usually linked to fear. Karlin, if we were nearer each other I would also foster for you, as I think you know.

I groomed an elderly and extremely shaggy Cavalier who had lots of uncomfortable matts for an elderly couple yesterday. Several times he tried to eat my fingers but it was because he was scared. It took me almost 3 hours and loads of cuddles in the end as he was so worried but we got there and when I had finished he went and had a run around then came back and smothered me in kisses.

I wonder, if he'd managed to bite me would he then be classified as an aggressive Cavalier?

1st March 2007, 11:40 AM
I am sorry Karlin for the difficulties that you face and have read your previous posts your need for fosters etc. A lot of us who frequent your Board read about that poor animal and look at our own dogs and think there but by grace could be our much loved dog. Plus a lot of us are not in your local area to help which probably fustrate us. We problably know and help rescues here but realise that your need is great.

I have an elderly dog who is known as Mr Grumpy, he bites and growls everyday, but it is a pain issue for him and when his meds kick in he is nicer to live with.

1st March 2007, 11:51 AM
I agree with everything said, although it is a very very sad story, the rescues are just so stressed out all the time.
I have offered help in many ways over the last years to rescues but unfortunatly I have young children and I have not been allowed to foster or adopt, so I occasionally send things in as I have not the time to go and volunteer in any other way.

I hope the little B+T rests in peace, as do all the many hundreds of others who get pts every day for being stuck in pounds.

1st March 2007, 06:04 PM
I know everyone here cares deeply about all cavaliers and the outpouring of concern for this B&T was wonderful. Sadly it ultimately could not help this guy -- Tara has spoken to the person (with official national group) that did try to get him out but the owners were very firm that he should be put down. It gave us little scope then though all tried including at an 'official' level. But the pound also was in a difficult legal position. The best we can do is try and work through our existing established relationship to try and get a dog out despite what an owner might have said or even the dog's own behaviour. I would like always to be able to medical check a dog to see if pain might be a cause biting etc -- this is sometimes the case or maybe a minor, usually very addressable problem like food guarding (some pounds.rescue/shelters will pts dogs for food guarding though!). If a dogh is nippy though it poses serious issues -- can the dog be rehomed and to where? It can be hard enough to find homes for dogs anyway, much less a dog with a serious issue like this. We may feel sad the dog is pts but often there are few options to a rescue unless someone wants to foster the dog and retrain longterm. It is hard enough to find a short term fosters for great dogs, much less an aggressive dog. Hence our options may have been very limited even if we had got this dog out. My own resources are very limited for managing such a dog and the responsible decision in a given situation with given limitations is sometimes, the hard decision.

Bianca, now very happily homed, is a case in point. When Himindoors from this board kindly went to collect her and Albert from the pound, we were told she had been, and I quote, 'vicious'. She was going for the girl who fed the dogs and cleaned the kennels. She was handed over to us cowering in a dirty crate. Ironically this was the polar opposite -- a dog that could be aggressive given to us by a pound!

I was faced with a very difficult decision (and in this case I was very frustrated the pound hadn't told us she was behaving like this as I couldn't arrange for Tara to check her out in advance of taking her from the pound). She was to be fostered by Brid but I couldn't possibly give a 'vicious' or even nippy dog to a foster. She might have had to be pts if we'd judged her too difficult to foster or home. I was on the phone quite a bit to Tara as we debated how to manage her.

In the end I had my vet check her as a first port of call. My vet checked her her physical problems and there were none. And said she was the most terrified stressed dog she had ever seen. In my vet's expert opinion (and this is one I particularly trust) any aggression would have been out of pure fear at her situation. She was fine being handled and she was fine with Brid who was told about the 'vicious' label but she was so easy when we let her out of her crate that brid was happy to foster; she was fostered for a bit by Tara too so we were able to confirm that she was absolutely fine, then she was homed last week to a woman who will take her everywhere with her. :) But I would not have homed her to a home with younger children for example just to be on the safe side.

Getting involved in a positive way doesn't mean people need to feel they must foster or go to pounds, though these are some very direct ways of immediately helping ways that directly save an individual animal, that's for sure. There are so many other avenues too -- supporting a rescue in other ways from transport to a donation to dropping used bedding to a shelter or unused dog toys etc, leaving in treats to a shelter; learning how to homecheck homes; getting involved with a lobby group to write letters and persuade politicians (again if you are in Ireland, please check out www.anvil.ie), consider taking a rescue as your next dog, and especially consider giving an older rescue a retirement home as these are the very hardest to place.

Ultimately *the single most important* thing anyone can do is to get involved in trying to change what we call The Big Picture -- the stream of needy animals going thru pounds, shelters and breed rescue will not slow unless there's better laws, better awareness, better welfare education, more responsible owners and breeders. Unfortunately, most people never think about getting involved at that end of things because it doesn't seem to help directly -- yet nothing will ever change if we don;t change things from the top down, bottom up. Just pulling dogs out of pounds isn't a solution, it is just bailing water out of a very leaky board that always threatens to sink entirely. We need a sounder ship to start with.

So please consider the less glamorous route of working to change things by writing letters! This is IMHO FAR MORE IMPORTANT than rescuing the individual dogs, as rewarding and important as that is too. For those in Ireland, Anvil outlines some important issues and has model letters.

1st March 2007, 06:20 PM

I believe the thing that upset everyone was he wasn't tested. I would be the first to say that if he ended up being a aggressive dog that being put down may be the best option.

Please don't get me wrong, but I feel every animal needs that chance.

I agree we need to put our energies to postive things but it was a waste.

1st March 2007, 06:30 PM
The problem is: if a dog is handed in for being aggressive few shelters or pounds have the resources to temperament test and for most the LAW says there is only one option.

Then consider the strays and other surrenders: there are literally millions put down every day who are delightful, happy dogs and no one cares to get those out. Weighed against the probably two dozen dogs that Dundalk pound will put down this week alone, strays who are happy and healthy and friendly, the life of a dog handed in with specific directions that he be put down for aggression is not going to register. This is not just for reasons of convenience but also legal reasons and resource reasons.

I ask people to take their frustration from this incident and look to their own local pound and shelter and think about how they can help there. Investigate their own policies regarding such dogs (I am sure your local pound has just the same policies) and consider whether to lobby to change, to get in contact with a professional trainer who might volunteer to temperament test; to offer to foster dogs for a local rescue, to foster for breed rescue, to volunteer at a local shelter and start to retrain dogs so they stand a better chance of being rehomed (see how Dee Ganley does this and her training guide for shelters at www.deesdogs.com -- very successful program in new Hampshire that could be duplicated at your local shelter!), to join a lobby group to change how pounds are run and how large breeding facilities are often given state or regional funding support to churn out thousands of dogs many of which will be dumped into pounds to face a similar fate.

I cannot stress enough that these issues are just as big a problem at everyone's LOCAL POUND AND SHELTERS. There are a hundred similar cases as this B&T and some of those killed are cavaliers, every day at shelters across the US, Canada, UK and Ireland in particular. Getting involved enables change to happen. Simply feeling frustrated allows them to continue. We can all work DIRECTLY for positive change. :thmbsup: