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Shay
17th March 2007, 06:07 PM
Lily has just finished 2 weeks of her cycle last Wednesday. I was able to take off her sanitary panties and there is no spotting. Since taking off the panties last Wednesday, she is peeing all over my house. She does a little lift of her back foot and walks while peeing which leaves a pee trail and is hard to clean up. She will look right up at me and do this. This is a dog who has been going to the door for 3 months and has not had an accident in the house for well over 2 months. She does this same little walk pee outside and also squats every few feet at least 5 or 6 times. What is going on? Is this something to do with being in heat? Does she have a UTI? She also pooed in the house last night. It seems like every thing she has learned has been forgotten since she has been in heat. HELP!!! :bang:

molly
17th March 2007, 06:18 PM
I would have her checked for a UTI. Just being in heat should not have resulted in this. Sounds like she just can't help the urination. Please let us know how she's doing.

moniechris
17th March 2007, 06:38 PM
A UTI is possible, but when my MIL female goes into heat, she does this to intentionally spred her smell around. She will crab walk while she is peeing in all of the furthest parts of the yard like she is trying to attract a male (kind of like reverse marking, I guess). Does she seem uncomfortable or in pain? Is she drinking enough water?

Zippy
17th March 2007, 06:48 PM
First, put the pants back on.

Secondly, Monica is probably correct. Nature makes them want to "call the boys over", so to speak.

It might be part of the normal behaviour related to being in heat.

I know I was told to protect Mary Alice for a month, if she goes into heat.

Lily probably hasn't forgotten her house-training....just nature.

Good luck and please keep us informed...might need to know. :flwr: :flwr:

Shay
17th March 2007, 06:53 PM
Crab walk.....that's the perfect words for it. That's exactly what she is doing. She is eating like a little pig and drinking fine. She doesn't seem to be feeling bad. Man oh man, I sure hope this doesn't last long. The worst part is forgetting all of her potty training. We have statred training again, but she is not even trying to go to the door. That's what made me think it may be a UTI. I'll give it a couple more days and see what's up by Monday. Thanks Molly and Monica.

Karlin
17th March 2007, 06:57 PM
It also could be a part of her new 'adult' behaviour -- much as boys start marking when the hormones kick in, females can also start marking and her hormones are clearly now working as she has gone thru heat. But two weeks isn;t long enough for her cycle to be done -- usually runs three weeks and most say assume four weeks to be safe.

You should check her for a UTI but this is may well be a new training issue for you, just as owners of boys often have to work to train them not to mark indoors.

Shay
17th March 2007, 07:02 PM
Secondly, Monica is probably correct. Nature makes them want to "call the boys over", so to speak.


I don't mind her calling the boys over in the yard, but not in my house :lol:. Hubby keeps saying that she wants a boyfriend, I keep telling him she is just a baby and couldn't possibly want a boyfriend. I know I'm wrong, but I just can't think about my little baby wanting a "friend". icon_blshing :lol:

Shay
17th March 2007, 07:06 PM
It also could be a part of her new 'adult' behaviour -- much as boys start marking when the hormones kick in, females can also start marking and her hormones are clearly now working as she has gone thru heat. , just as owners of boys often have to work to train them not to mark indoors.

Ahhh, my little girl is growing up, they sure grow up fast.

natalieandmike
17th March 2007, 08:03 PM
Shay,
We feel your pain. After having just got Bianca last Saturday, (she is almost 8 months) two days after we got her, she went into her first cycle/heat!! So, though we took her to the vet, we are putting off the spay for a little while. I am not using the "panties", but rather leaving towels all around our house. It's mainly hardwood and tile, so it isn't too difficult. She is learning "place" so that if/when she is sitting near us and spots, she stays on the towel. It is working out well, other than a small investment in the cotton towel industry!

We are generally lucky enough not to have had any trouble with her 'marking/dribbling' etc. urine yet in the house, but when we take her on her walks, she squats (eg. crab walk) and drips pee a bit every 1/2 block or so. A very similar behavior. Mike was thinking it likely had to do with her being in heat, rather than a UTI, because she is acting normal in every other way. Good luck with her cycle; I know we'd rather not have dealt with it, but it is what it is! thanks for writing in about this topic; we wanted to know about it as well...
-Natalie

Kodee
17th March 2007, 08:49 PM
I know nothing about dogs in heat (but hey you got good advice that makes sense to me from others) BUT I do know about carpet stains from crab walking peeing females!! Our lab in the last yr at 14 started having accidents in the house. She always crabbed walked if it happened. Probably because after 14 yrs she knew she shouldnt but being old just couldnt help it :( Anyhoo... your rugs... if the cycle is last as everyone here says more like 4 wks I would just spot clean for now. When you are sure its over I'd rent a rug cleaner to remove all of it. Obviously so you can retrain but moreso because of damage to carpet. I found the trail urinating impossible to get out. With a puddle your working on one spot but with a train it just seems to spread and about 2mths after you cleaned it the soap residue left behind starts binding with new dirt/dust bringing a slight shadow stain back up. After she died we totally cleaned the room with a cleaner and sprayed with a leave on enzyme cleaner from the renting place before Kodee got here. That time the stains were gone for good!

Joanne M
17th March 2007, 08:52 PM
All I can say is THANK GOD I HAVE A BOY ! Sorry, I feel your pain ladies, I guess I will stop complaining about Tucker's little dribbles!

Shay
17th March 2007, 10:13 PM
Natalie.....Hope all goes well for you with Bianca and her....errr....womanhood ;) . All I can say is I will be glad when this is over. I am glad to know what they are doing is normal.

Debbie.....I have been using miracle pet when she pee's. I hope that doesn't leave a soap residue, but I know what you mean about the residue. Everytime I have used a carpet cleaner, it looks clean and then the stain pops back up. Wish she would go on the tile or hard woods, but she always manages to pick the lightest rugs I have. I am so discouraged. Lily was doing so well, even whining at the door when I was in another room to let me know she had to go. This is a major setback. What is so weird is that she was fine up until I took off her pants. She was still letting me know she had to go for the first 2 weeks of her heat.

Joanne.....I have never owned a male dog, but right about now, I think it would be lovely :lol:

Cathy T
17th March 2007, 10:20 PM
Hang in there Shay! From what everyone is saying it sounds like she's just not through her cycle yet. Frustrating though...I can imagine! Crab walk :lol: That's Shelby and she's spayed!! She does that on our walks...I've never heard it described that way...but it fits!!

Joanne M
17th March 2007, 10:20 PM
Shay because Lily's so smart. It must be what monica and zippy said. Now that her panties are off (gosh this is beginning to sound like a frat party) she understands she's at last able to leave her calling card to potential mates.

Kodee
17th March 2007, 10:38 PM
I have been using miracle pet when she pee's. I hope that doesn't leave a soap residue I think any rug cleaned by hand is going to leave a soap residue behind. I lived with leopard spot shadows when my kids were little and spilled everything everyday! But a good clean with a rental machine using a pre-spot cleaner once a yr eventually gets the shadows out. Maybe go back to the diapers for another 2 wks would reduce her accidents again until she is past the stage of wanting to mark? Either way, I feel for you! How do breeders live with this with lots of female dogs yr after yr? :sl*p:

Shay
17th March 2007, 10:39 PM
Cathy......I know, Monica's "crab walk" was exactly what she does :lol:. It is the back paw kicked out while she is doing it that really cracks me up. Does Shelby do that too?

Joanne....I am now picturing a doggy frat party and :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:. Gonna have to put the panties back on!

natalieandmike
17th March 2007, 10:42 PM
yeah, Kodee, I know what you mean. When we told our breeder, she had a really good chuckle at our expense... :badgrin: -Natalie :sl*p:

Shay
17th March 2007, 10:51 PM
Maybe go back to the diapers for another 2 wks would reduce her accidents again until she is past the stage of wanting to mark?

Yep...Back to the panties. I feel so sorry for her though. She was soooooo happy to get them off. :(

Joanne M
17th March 2007, 11:00 PM
Shay .. "Gonna have to put the panties back on!"
now it's starting to sound like a "Girls Gone Wild" video :badgrin:

Caraline
17th March 2007, 11:12 PM
Yep, get the chastity belt back out because her season is almost certainly not over :yikes

All of my girls used to go a bit ferral during their season, including cocking their legs like boys, jumping up and peeing on my bed (which they would never normally do), backing up to any males around, including human males.

So don't frett, just get those knickers back on her for a while longer. Some bitches hardly bleed at all during a season. One of my Boxers would only spot for about a week, and for the rest of her season we'd only know she was in season by her behaviour & the size of her vulva.

moniechris
17th March 2007, 11:12 PM
Back to the panties. I feel so sorry for her though. She was soooooo happy to get them off.

:lol: Little hussy!!!! :lol:

My MIL's dog gets so brazen it is hysterical to watch. She and Stewie are quite the little pair, but he is nuetered icon_whistling She gets so frustrated with him that she paws him in the face, flips her fanny around and wiggles to get his attention. Poor Stewie his reminded every time that his man bits are gone!!! :lol:

Shay
17th March 2007, 11:32 PM
I have been in complete denial about her overt sexual behavior. She has been rubbing up against anything and everything and hubby keeps telling me she is wanting a boyfriend. I keep telling him she is trying to get the panties off because they are uncomfortable. He says, yep she's trying to get them off all right, but not casue they are uncomfortable. :sl*p: Monica, I can't beleive my baby has turned in to a little hussy :lol:. I just wonder what she would really do if a dog tried to get to her.....never mind....I think I know the answer to that question and it will never happen. icon_whistling

Kodee
18th March 2007, 12:02 AM
Maybe go back to the diapers for another 2 wks would reduce her accidents again until she is past the stage of wanting to mark?

Yep...Back to the panties. I feel so sorry for her though. She was soooooo happy to get them off. :(
She is a really good sport I think for enduring them I'm sure a lot of dogs fuss with them. Poor puppy, it wont be long now your almost done.

moniechris
18th March 2007, 12:22 AM
I could tell you what would happen, and it wouldn't be pretty... :sl*p:

It seems like there is this "OH SH@#, WHAT HAVE I DONE??!!!" moment right when they lock up and the girl screams out. :yikes The male dog of course just sits there with this big dumb grin on his face and pants. :?

Keep her in the house!!!! She has no idea what she wants!! :lol: If I have kids, I am afraid I would be like that with my teenagers!!

Cathy T
18th March 2007, 02:04 AM
Now that her panties are off (gosh this is beginning to sound like a frat party)

This is getting quite funny!!! Poor little hussy girl...are her ears burning?!

Yes, Shelby does the kick the leg out thing. She's also very big into posturing in public....she'll kick and kick and behave just like a little boy after her potty. Cracks me up...little tomboy.

Well, missy, get those panties back on. :D

Shay
18th March 2007, 02:28 AM
Poor little thing is worn out. She's sleeping next to me on the sofa with both paws over her eyes. She does the kicking thing too after she poos Cathy. These dogs just make me laugh all the time. Her hormones are just raging. She goes through the house whining for any and everthing. If I leave the room, if her Daddy leaves the room, if her ball goes under the sofa, if she is hungry and on and on. But does she whine if she needs to go potty, of course not. :roll:

molly
18th March 2007, 03:48 AM
Shay .. "Gonna have to put the panties back on!"
now it's starting to sound like a "Girls Gone Wild" video :badgrin:
:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: Hysterical.

Our Katie does that crab walk all over the back yard. So cute!!!

On the stains in the house, blot, blot, blot with paper towels, then blot some more even when you think it is all gone. Step/jump on the towels to make sure it's all up and out. Then treat with an enzyme cleaner, let sit and shampoo. Should take it out. Good idea to put the panties back. I'm surprised she is keeping them on. Katie figured out how to get them off in a flash. icon_whistling

Kodee
18th March 2007, 05:19 AM
I'm surprised she is keeping them on. Katie figured out how to get them off in a flash. icon_whistling
KATIE... you little sweet Hussy! :rotfl:

Remali
18th March 2007, 05:37 AM
Speaking of cleaning the carpets...is there any kind of carpet shampoo that works best on dog stains? Reason why I ask is because I want to rent a carpet cleaning machine, and I was wondering what kind of carpet shampoo to use. Right now I blot with Nature's Miracle, but my carpet needs to be cleaned all over.

Gosh, good luck! I have a boy, but I am sort of going thru something similar with him right now, he has been marking lately. :roll:

Crittercall
18th March 2007, 06:16 AM
Yes, there are definate reasons to have them spayed at 6 months - besides the obvious of reducing the risk of cancer!

My groomer uses white vinegar on the spots in her groom shop lobby. Says it takes away the spots and the smell.

And we all know the theoritical 1 year of dog life is like 7 years of human life, right? I saw a different chart somewhere that made more sense. The human female (us girls) will start having periods between what 11 and 14? Somewhere in that area. So a 6-month old dog is really going into puberty and is more like a teenager. Sit back and remember what you were like as a teenager, all you hussies! :shock: If she asks for the car keys just say no!

Just aggravating about that of course but she is a teenager and it does sound as though she is leaving her calling card around. Let's just change her name to Belle Watling from GWTW!!

Call your VET!! If he/she thinks there is a chance of it being a UTI he will have you either bring her or a pee sample in. I suspect that most likely he will give you a talk about the dog being in heat and the different stages of it - like when she is more receptive (obviously now) and when she could get pregnant but doesn't seem to be as receptive.

This is funny. I'm picturing little Burberry panties flung over lamps, little kegs of beer, pizza boxes on the floor..........

Cathy Moon
18th March 2007, 01:11 PM
I'm picturing little Burberry panties flung over lamps, little kegs of beer, pizza boxes on the floor..........
:lol: :lol: :lol: You guys are totally cracking me up!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Shay
18th March 2007, 03:13 PM
Yes, there are definate reasons to have them spayed at 6 months - besides the obvious of reducing the risk of cancer!



Wish I could have had her spayed before she went into heat, but as noted in my previous threads about her inverted vulva, the Vet advised against it to hopefully correct the problem. Otherwise she would need surgery to correct it. She would be highly susceptible to UTI's her entire life if the vulva stays inverted. I am aware of the risk of mammary cancer in unspayed females. Letting them go through one cycle, as the Vet recommended, only changes the odds from 99% to 94% of not getting it. Here is a link on inverted vulva's. Believe me, there is no way I would have gone through this if not advised by my Vet :flwr:

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/ins-outs.html

WoodHaven
18th March 2007, 03:44 PM
If it is only one cycle -- It is a small increase in mammary cancer-- but they are finding out there are skeletal benefits to letting her "grow up" before a spay. AND possible increases in other cancers if you spay before the first cycle. This is a very personal decision for all. AND you didn't want her to LIVE her whole life with an inverted vulva.

Breeders keep bitches intact for years and I don't see or hear of that many having mammary cancer.

Shay
18th March 2007, 03:51 PM
Sandy...Thanks, and I must tell you what respect I have for breeders who go through the heat process all the time. There is a place for you all in heaven :flwr:

WoodHaven
18th March 2007, 04:05 PM
What is worse is they have the "dormatory" effect. One female goes into season and that brings them all. Just picture 2,3,4 or more girls feeling: needy, frisky, etc.... all at the same time. And worse is it makes gentle, sweet boys into hormone machines. :yikes I am expecting the first girl to start any day.

Shay
18th March 2007, 05:01 PM
Oh my......I feel your pain!

Crittercall
18th March 2007, 06:00 PM
Shay, I don't remember about her problems. May have been just before my time here.

Lots of people don't buy that "dormitory effect" thing, but I've worked in an office full of women and it's true!

I've always had a problem with the humane societies that will have very young kittens neutered - like at 9 weeks or so, because I've believed that they weren't developed enough and would still need some of the hormones to grow properly. We didn't see as many dogs so I guess it didn't occur to me. Plus I have to remember that they've learned a lot since I was doing that kind of work.

Geez, if I hadn't had Wallis spayed when I did and she had grown any larger I would have been able to start a new breed of giant Cavaliers! (Not really - she shouldn't have bred because of the eye problem.)

Party on, girls. The weekend ain't over yet!