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Cathy Moon
25th March 2007, 03:14 AM
Today Colin was walking India and Chocolate and two labrador retrievers attacked them. Chocolate was bitten in the neck area before Colin could stop it from happening. She yelped once when it happened, then yelped again when a neighbor lady tried to comfort her. This happened in our neighborhood at 5:30 this evening. The owners of the dogs were no help in getting the dogs away from our cavaliers; in fact it was one neighbor lady who was brave enough to step in and help Colin.

Other neighbors who witnessed it said this has happened before to people walking dogs.

That's it, we called the police. They sent 3 cruisers over, one was a canine patrol officer. They took Colin's report and then spoke to the owner of one of the labs - the one that bit Chocolate. The dog has all its vaccinations up to date, and the guy was told he has to have his dog on a leash from now on - he told them he went out and bought a leash today after his dog bit ours. [Can you IMAGINE not owning a leash for your dog?!] The other dog owner wasn't home; we're hearing that his labrador frequently gets out of its invisible fence.

We have both checked Chocolate over, and she seems to be fine. I can't find any sore spot or mark. We'll take her to the vet on Monday. The police said we should take her to the vet to be checked.

Isn't this something - so many members have experienced this type of problem. It is SO frightening when it happens.

Caraline
25th March 2007, 04:15 AM
That must have been awfully distressing Cathy. What is it about people who have vicious & dog aggressive dogs, that they allow them to roam fee like that? :x I started up new thread this morning about what to do if you & your dogs are set upon by another dog. This is really starting to play upon my mind.

Anyway, cuddles for you all.

Lani
25th March 2007, 04:16 AM
Oh, how scary that must have been for you and Colin, Cathy.

I'm so glad everyone is okay and good thing that that owner is now going to have to put his dog on leash. I can't IMAGINE not owning a leash. I'd never think of walking Lucky without one!

Thank goodness for the brave neighbor lady. I hope she wasn't hurt.

Cathy T
25th March 2007, 04:45 AM
Oh my gosh Cathy....that's terrible! Thank goodness it wasn't worse. Really scary.

Mary
25th March 2007, 06:06 AM
That is horrible Cathy. You should take her to the vet. When my Annie was attacked I didn't think she had anything but bruising but the vet found puncture marks and gave her antibiotics. Hope Chocolate is doing OK.

moniechris
25th March 2007, 06:24 AM
Oh honey, I am so sorry :( that is just terrifying to think that you can't walk your own dogs on a leash because of other people's ignorance and irresponsibility. I can't believe the police just released the dogs to the owners like that!!! In Florida, they would be put under quarentine and labelled as dangerous (the one thing this state does right). I really hope your babies check out ok on Monday!

luvzcavs
25th March 2007, 08:06 AM
Oh Cathy I am so glad your precious babies are ok. Good on you for calling the police.
I have experienced an attack with my boys and am sad to say never got over it. Thank goodness the lady helped Colin.

Hopefully this will not instill any lasting and fearful memories in Chocolate.

Big hugs to you all and licks from the boys. :flwr:

coconut
25th March 2007, 08:22 AM
oh cathy that is terrible i hope chocolate is ok!! i hate that some dog owners do not control there dogs!!

freesia
25th March 2007, 09:18 AM
Please take her to the vet, my goldie got attacked once and had a puncture wound in his neck, we ended up having to flush it out every day and keep the wound open because of an infection. It eventually healed though.

Claire L
25th March 2007, 09:56 AM
Cathy - I'm so sorry to hear this. Poor little Chocolate must have been so scared. I remember when the same thing happened to my Rudee, I couldn't sleep for weeks afterwards. You should definitely have her checked over by the Vet and send the bill to that guy - even if your insurance covers it, give him a bill.

So many times I hear people say that their dogs wouldn't hurt a fly but just yesterday, my neighbours dogs (two separate owners) both Labs attacked a little terrier being walked on a lead just outside our house. Luckily one of the owners was out talking to my hubby at the time so no damage was done, but these dogs are not allowed out together anymore.

Big :hug: s to you guys....Let us know how Chocolate is.


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Alison_Leighfield
25th March 2007, 10:04 AM
Cathy, :flwr:

that is just awful. I hope are ok, you and Colin have had an awful shock with this.....

I would take Chocolate to the vet for a good check over, delayed shock can cause many problems, best to be extra safe.

Alison.

Justine
25th March 2007, 10:07 AM
same happened to me on the beach,the ownwr watched then walked off.cant understand.so sorry.its heartbreaking because cavs are not capble of fighting back.i hate that man now,i saw him awhile back he turned and walked the other way,i have got good at the dirty look.

Bruce H
25th March 2007, 10:39 AM
That's just terrible. I'm so glad Chocolate is OK. And I absolutely agree with your decision about calling the police; you never know when the dog may decide to start attacking people.

You are also right in taking her to the vet to be checked out just to be on the safe side. The owner said the shots are up to date, but who knows; the guy can say anything.

Lynn
25th March 2007, 01:33 PM
I am sooooo soooo sorry that this happened to your family.

I worry about this every day happening here....hubby went out and bought me a can of Halt pepper spray, but it's just not something I want to carry! My dad once had to use it when he was on his bicycle and the wind was blowing towards him and some of the spray came back at him! My "plan" is to try to put myself inbetween my beloved babies and the attacking dog, but I'm really not sure I would be quick enough.

'Walk softly and carry a big stick'....??????? (That old saying just keeps paying in my head.) I'm not sure that would help either. I am at a loss at what to do about this very real problem.

I am truly sorry this happened to you and I pray that Chocolate is ok.
:flwr:

merlinsmum
25th March 2007, 01:56 PM
Cathy,

I'm sorry this has happened to you. I hope the furbabies are okay and don't have any lasting ill effects.

Big hugs to you all

nlg679
25th March 2007, 02:04 PM
So, so sorry to hear about this Cathy. I love dogs but people are sooo lazy and these dogs end up being bored all day and not socialized and this happens. I walk the dogs and as soon as I see another dog, especially abig dog, I start to get nervous. I start to plan and think what the heck would I do if it attacked? It becomes impossible to react when walking more than one now. I can't stand it that there are such irresponsible dog owners!
How awfully traumatic for your babies---big hugs to Chocolate!
YOu now end up feeling unsafe in your OWN neighborhood! This is NOT right!

Nancy
Teddy and sweet, little Katydid

Joanne M
25th March 2007, 02:21 PM
Horrifying! I can't believe it, as we've been talking about this only this past week too. Colin must have been horrified. I hope Chocolate is fine. These people that let their dogs roam freely are infringing on OUR RIGHTS and our personal safety as well as that of our pets. It's more than laziness it's supreme arrogance, a lack of consideration and compassion for others. Society always punishes the attacking dog, not the owners. I think when someone's dog gets out and harms an individual, another animal, or destroys property the owner should be sentenced to serve time working at dog shelters and picking poop up in public parks, in addition to a stiff fine.

Please let us know after your visit to the vet if Chocolate is okay.

Karlin
25th March 2007, 02:27 PM
Gosh that is scary; I am glad you took the action you did. I sure hope the dogs all check out OK at the vet and have no lasting consequences.

This kind of incident raises a related issue that is very sad -- the fact that LABS, which are one of the friendliest breeds, EXACTLY like cavaliers, have thru backyard breeding, puppy mills, and poor socialisation by owners, become dogs that are frequently cited in attacks on other dogs and on people! The lab is supposed to be the perfect family dog but you can see where its popularity has gotten it.

This is the AKC breed standard and you can see how closely it matches the cavalier :) :


Temperament
True Labrador Retriever temperament is as much a hallmark of the breed as the "otter" tail. The ideal disposition is one of a kindly, outgoing, tractable nature; eager to please and non-aggressive towards man or animal. The Labrador has much that appeals to people; his gentle ways, intelligence and adaptability make him an ideal dog. Aggressiveness towards humans or other animals, or any evidence of shyness in an adult should be severely penalized.


People breed their family dog thinking it would be nice to have puppies, they cross them with some other lab they think LOOKS nice and healthy. Or people want a cheap puppy that looks like the puppy in an advertisement or on TV and they go to a BYB or mass bred pet shop puppies. And this is exactly what happens over time -- a decline in the breed to the point that these would not even remotely match the breed personality and temperament. It is bad enough when genetic diseases are introduced but for families I think far worse that temperament declines to the point where this lovable breed turns dangerous. :( The same is happening to our own breed, with overly shy and aggressive cavaliers resulting from indiscriminate breeding due to their growing popularity. One of the reasons it is so, so im[ortant to go to someone who understand breeding, lines, preserving looks and temperament and health when breeding... it would be very hard for a well bred labrador to behave like this even without great socialising as the good temperament has until recently been so strong in the breed, as it is with cavaliers-- but may not always be.

Mom_of_2_Cavies
25th March 2007, 04:43 PM
Cathy, I'm so sorry to look in this morning and read about what happened! The fact that the guy didn't own a leash tells you about all you need to know about him. How is that possible? How is it possible to believe that his dog's shots are up-to-date--what pet owner takes their dog to the vet without a leash??? I guess it's possible, but it doesn't really pass the smell test.

So I had the same reaction as Bruce--I wouldn't believe a word the guy said without seeing his vet bills as documentation.

And I was also going to point out what has happened to labs--they've become so popular as the "perfect" family dog, that people buy them from unscrupulous breeders AND THEN they don't think they need to train them or socialize them properly, as if the dog is just miraculously going to fit the stereotype. I know of one family that bought a lab for their little girl and then parked it in the backyard, where it barked all day for my friend to listen to, ignored by the family who was really too busy to care for it. (Or I should say, were too selfish and irresponsible to make time to care for it, because lots of busy people manage to raise good, happy dogs.)

I hope that your Chocolate checks out A-OK tomorrow and that this never happens again. But I wouldn't hold my breath--irresponsible owners like that usually relapse (and worse, improperly take the incident out on the dog).

duncans_ma
25th March 2007, 04:49 PM
Cathy - so glad that everything seems to be ok after such a scare. Hugs and puppy cuddles to you all

Cathy Moon
25th March 2007, 05:02 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice and caring words.

We're taking Chocolate to the vet as soon as we can get an appointment. I'm thinking her Puppia harness must have protected her neck, but you can never be too careful. Plus I will see to it that this guy pays for the vet bill, since he didn't get fined.

The canine officer is going to bring his dog to walk around our neighborhood on several random occasions to help insure that these dogs are not running loose. We have our report number, so they are starting a paper trail on these two dog owners - if we have to call them again they will link any future reports to this one.

The police told us they checked the biting dog's vet records and rabies tags to make sure all vaccinations were current. They told us the biting labrador's owner said his dog is that way towards other dogs because he was bitten by a dog when he was a puppy. Go figure that one out - he knows his dog has a problem, yet does not confine him. :sl*p: Colin and our dogs were across the street and 70 yards away from this dog's house when attacked.

One of those labs bothered my next door neighbor in the past when he was walking his australian shepherd - I learned this least night when I was explaining why we had 3 police cars at our house earlier.

I'm going to walk around the neighborhood every day [without my dogs for their safety] to make sure these two dog owners understand they don't own that section of our street. I'll have a walking stick, a spray bottle of lemon juice and some choice words if the dogs are loose again.

Molly's mom
25th March 2007, 05:19 PM
I'm so sorry that this happened! I can't imagine that anyone would not own a leash :shock:

Definately get to the vets as soon as you can. I don't know about dogs but with cats, a bite wound almost always get infected. I would also promptly delivery any vet bills to the owner of the dog who attacked yours.

*Pauline*
25th March 2007, 05:59 PM
Poor Chocolate :? I'm glad you called the police. Hopefully that will make them see they can't just let the dog run around without a lead. I'm shocked too they didn't even own one, crazy. Let us know how Chocolate is after the vet visit. :hug:

Remali
25th March 2007, 06:16 PM
Oh Cathy, that is awful! I am so glad that Chocolate is OK and didn't get hurt worse. How frightening. I cannot get over how many people let these large aggressive dogs run loose, I came across a loose pitbull/pitbull-cross in my backyard a couple of nights ago and I called the police.

George19
25th March 2007, 06:17 PM
I'm sorry to hear this Cathy, I'm glad Chocolate seems ok and I hope the vet's visit goes ok :flwr:

KimNIndy
25th March 2007, 10:35 PM
oh cathy that must have been so frightening for all of you. i know how scary and infuriating it is to have your dog attacked and i'm happy to hear that the police took it seriously.

hugs to you and chocolate and i hope everything turns out ok!

k

LauraD
26th March 2007, 04:15 PM
Poor little Chocolate. :flwr: I hope all is okay at the vet visit. And I hope that there is no permanent fear that this has given her.
You SO did the right thing by calling the police. It's infuriating that some dog owners are so irresponsible and uncaring!! :swear: How could you let your dog(s) run loose at all, especially if they don't do well with other dogs? And you were doing the right thing and your poor baby got attacked. It's horrible. I hope those dog owners get some serious actions taken against them, this kind of thing has to stop.

Lenee
26th March 2007, 05:01 PM
I'm so glad Chocolate is ok and good for you for calling the police. So many dog owners are too nice to do that after an attack. And don't get me started on these invisible fences....

molly
26th March 2007, 05:43 PM
I sure hope that Chocolate is doing OK and that the negligent owner at least pays the vet bill. I commend you for getting the police involved. That dog is a loaded weapon and it is only a matter of time until something else happens. I am surprised that he was not summoned to court and made to pay a hefty fine. Sure hope that your neighborhood becomes safe.

Cleo's Person
26th March 2007, 05:53 PM
Cathy,

I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope Chocolate is feeling a bit better today after her ordeal. I agree with everyone else on this topic, I think you did exactly the right thing reporting that to the police.

My thoughts are with you and yours just now. Hope all works out well.

cavlover
26th March 2007, 06:29 PM
This is terrible I hope chocolate is doing ok, I would take him to the vet and send the vet bill to the neighbors house. :x
judy

Nicki
26th March 2007, 06:33 PM
Oh Cathy I'm so sorry, what a dreadful shock for you all

Sending postive thoughts and lots of love - please give Chocolate a gentle cuddle from us

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I'm so glad you were brave enough to get the police involved - hopefully these people will realise it's not good enough just to make excuses :x



For those in the UK - not sure if you can get this in the US - I used to carry a Pet Corrector spray when I was out with my dogs locally - it emits an inert gas (like fresh air) which mimics the hiss sound made by Snakes, insects and birds such as geese.

It really does work - a local working Collie had previously attacked and pinned Rupert to the ground {that was the start of his frequent focal seizures :( :( }. I wouldn't go past the houst for over a year, but when I did start going past again, I carried the pet corrector. Sure enough, one day the dog was loose again and came towards us - I used this and she backed off. She came towards us again and I used it again, and this time she went off and we had no further problems.

I wouldn't use it how they suggest for training my own dog to stop jumping up - I think that is excessive - but it is useful for protecting yourself and your dogs.

http://www.companyofanimals.co.uk/pet-corrector.php

Scouty girl
26th March 2007, 07:01 PM
Cathy,

I'm so sorry, I'm sure that was very freightening for Colin and both dogs. Please keep us posted on Chocolate's vet visit. :flwr:

This past summer, when Scout was only six months old, I was walking both her and my Newf. The neighbor about six houses down has a not so very nice black lab. He busted through the front door of their house and came charging out in a very threatening way. I didn't know what to do. Everything happend so fast that I didn't have time to pick Scout up. Luckily Breeze is a very calm dog and did not take an offensive stand. She stood her ground but did not go towards the dog, or act aggresive or threatening. At least I didn't see it. If course she is more than twice his size.

The owner was hot on the dogs trail and was very apologetic. He did come towards Scout and I told her if he touches her I will kick him and I don't care where. Well thank goodness it all turned out for the best. I credit Breeze with staying so calm and she did position her body between me and the aggresive dog. Of course Scout was clueless...LOL

Daisy's Mom
26th March 2007, 07:41 PM
Wow, as everyone else has said -- I hate to hear about your experience, Cathy! It just makes me so mad. I could reiterate what everyone else has said about the owner of that lab, but I won't except to say that he should not be allowed to own dogs due to a lack of intelligence!

Karlin -- that was interesting what you posted about the lab temperament. I know they are famous for being sweet and non-aggressive, but as you said, I just don't believe that is a good assumption to make anymore. And the stakes are very high for large dogs. One tiny event that happens to set them off could lead to permanent scarring or death for another dog, or heaven forbid, a child! A Yorkie or toy poodle, or even a Cavalier that bites someone is a problem, too of course, but if you have an unpredictable 80 pound dog, that is a tragedy waiting to happen. Which is one of the reasons I like small dogs waaayyy better than big ones. My husband and I have had this conversation/debate too many times to count because he has always liked big dogs.

The loudest and meanest dog in my obedience class right now is a yellow lab. He is constantly lunging at the other dogs as if he'd like to tear them apart. My husband has always loved labs and goes on and on about their sweet nature, but as you said, I just don't believe that's as true anymore. I know there are Labs out there who are sweet as can be, but I've seen enough of the other kind to trust that most Labs are sweet.

Remali
26th March 2007, 10:25 PM
That's interesting about how the Labs are becoming more aggressive....in fact, around here, Labs are so hyper and goofy that I hate to say it, but I can't stand being around them any more. Around here a lot of uninformed rednecks just breed them carelessly (lots of hunters in my area). A friend of mine who loves Labs, noticed that bad trend around our area, and when she bought her Lab she ended up getting a puppy from the other side of the United States and one with British bloodlines. Sad how people can ruin a lovely breed thru stupidity.

Cathy Moon
27th March 2007, 03:45 AM
That's a good point everyone is making about labs - some of the sweetest, kindest, gentlest dogs I have ever know are labradors, nothing like the two near us!

Our veterinarians are so busy (presumably due to illnesses from the recalled pet food) that they are only seeing emergency cases right now. They have been treating animals who ate the food, and a photo of their building was on the national tv news one day last week. I feel so bad for all the people with sick cats and dogs. There was one area couple who had 5 sick cats, and people actually donated to help cover their vet bills.
We already had a vet appointment scheduled for Wednesday evening this week for heartworm blood tests and anal gland checks, so we will to wait until Wed. for Chocolate to be seen.

momay
30th March 2007, 08:51 PM
Cathy,
I'm so sorry this happened, it is the most frightening experience to go through. I went through it with Sofee in December with my sister's dog. Sofee had two puncture wounds on her nose and throat and a few baby teeth were knocked out (lots of blood). This was a 12 year old Springer Spaniel who attacked her.
I now carry a stick when I walk Sofee and if I feel the slightest bit uncomfortable, I scoop her up in my arms. Even last weekend, we were exiting my mother-in-laws house and she was charged right on the front porch by a large German Sherpard from the neighboring house. Luckily, my brother in law was able to kick it away - so sad we have to resort to physical abuse to keep our dogs safe.
I hope all went well on your Wednesday visit. Your cav's are so beautiful and I know are they are center of your lives! We are truly grateful for every minute with Sofee Marie! :l*v:

Jen
1st April 2007, 03:57 AM
I'm so sorry this happened, and so glad you called the police. I hate stupid pet owners, it makes me so angry!!

Let us know how Chocolate does at the vet on Monday. Poor girl, I hope this doesn't scare her away from other dogs from now on.

Nisha
1st April 2007, 11:05 AM
:( :shock: :( Oh im soo sorry to hear about poor Chocolate!!!! I hope everything goes well with the vet check!!! Shocking that the owner didnt have a leash!!!! What is with some people?

hugz to Chocolate :hug: Hope everything turns out alright

Even though i have read the above posts i am still totally shocked that it was Labradors that bit poor Chocolate!!!! i have never once encountered an agressive Labrador!! That post Karlin made about them was very interesting..new information 2 me :flwr:

Maxxs_Mummy
1st April 2007, 11:49 AM
{{{{{{{{Cathy}}}}}}}} I have only just seen this thread. I am so sorry that this has happened to Chocolate. I hope she's OK and not too traumatised by the attack.

Maxx was attacked in the local park by an off lead dog when he was a puppy and he was too scared to get out of the car and walk there again.

Please let us know how she gets on at the Vets. I really hope there is no infection or injury. Give her a :hug: from us xxxxx :flwr:

Cathy Moon
1st April 2007, 05:41 PM
Thanks for your concern - we feel very fortunate that she is fine. The vet couldn't find any problems. I really think the puppia harness saved her neck from any direct contact.

Denise G.
2nd April 2007, 04:07 AM
What a relief, Cathy! I just saw this post--what a scare!! Wrigley got bitten on the neck a month or so ago at the dog park and it really scared me, but the hole healed up nicely. I'm glad Chocolate was spared a bad bite. Hugs from Mia and Wrigley! :flwr:

Nisha
2nd April 2007, 09:21 AM
Oh thankgoodness for that!! That's great news that Chocolate is ok,the poor baby! Good thing for the puppia!!

Glad everything turned out ok! :hug: to poor Chocolate

Ginger's Mom
2nd April 2007, 11:49 PM
I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to your baby.. I hope Chocolate will recover fast from this..

This owner better learn a lesson from all this and NEVER allow this to happen again!! What he/she did is just plain wrong. :?