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Molly's mom
25th March 2007, 04:59 PM
Due to Molly's SM surgery, she is currently on 5 different pills (one a capsule) a day some of them 3X plus a liquid 2X a day.

We started out with pill pockets which she loved, but for some reason (maybe the jig is up icon_whistling ?) she won't eat them anymore.

The liquid we won't discuss, she just hates that. :yuk:

She doesn't like peanut butter.

This morning I crushed it in her food, but with so many, i'm afraid she can taste them, and she also has the uncanny ability to lick up the food and spit out anything that might have the smallest of med pieces.

Whipped cream seems to work with crushed pills, but she can identify the capsule and spit it right out.

Any advice/experiences would be greatly appreciated :xfngr:

Molly's thread on her SM surgery can be found here:
http://www.cavaliertalk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=77619#77619

Zippy
25th March 2007, 05:16 PM
Have you tried wrapping the pill or pills in a bit of cheese??

Cheese slices or creamed cheese might work.

Our Charley could spit out pills....didn't matter how we hid them.

We ended up with a gizmo from the vets, a rubber tipped syringe type thing. The pill was placed into the rubber tip and then you shoved the long, thin syringe right to the back of his mouth and pushed....the pill usually went down. I always felt bad about doing it that way but it had to be done.

Good luck....I'm so glad that Molly is doing better. :flwr: :flwr:

Cathy T
25th March 2007, 05:28 PM
We used the same type of thing for out cat for her chemo meds. It wasn't a pleasant experience but at least we knew the pill went down.

Karlin
25th March 2007, 07:13 PM
I use those laughing cow cheese wedges -- just take a bit of one of those and hide the pill. Leo gets very excited at the word 'Pill!" It can help if they get this 'treat' like a normal treat. Ask for a sit or whatever and the dog is more likely to see this not as a pill session but as a normal reward. I often just put the pill right on his food and he eats it down as well. You could try a bit of hot dog or cooked liver with the pill pushed inside -- that is something most dogs like even more than cheese.

George19
25th March 2007, 07:33 PM
honey worked for my George, it's hard to spit out as it's so sticky :flwr:

Cathy T
25th March 2007, 08:14 PM
Leo gets very excited at the word 'Pill

The other day I told Jake he was being a pill....he got all happy :roll: So I had to give him a little peanut butter!

Nicki
25th March 2007, 08:25 PM
If you give a piece of whatever you are going to give the pill in first, then another piece, then the one with the pills in, hopefully by then they are so excited with the treat that they just swallow them.

The only thing that works for TedBear though is to smear his pills in butter - then put it in his mouth, and give him some more butter on my finger to distract him so that he swallows it. He finds pills in just about anything, even hidden in his favourite chicken :(

Good luck!!

mishmosh
25th March 2007, 11:12 PM
I dab a bit of jam or butter on the tablet, put it in his mouth. If it didnt go down immediately, I massaged his throat! :badgrin:

Caraline
26th March 2007, 02:00 AM
Peanutbutter is our guys favourite, but I see Molly doesn't like it. If she likes cheese, cut a cube of cheese, place it on a plate inside of your microwave and then nuke it for just a few seconds. You want it to start melting but not turn into liquid. It has to look a bit like a little cow pat. Now place the tablets on the cheese and stand by for a minute until the cheese starts to firm up again, about the consistency of putty or play doh. Now roll it all up into a little ball & pop it into your dogs mouth. Make sure it is just warm, not too hot.

Sometimes you do have to use the strong-arm approach though. I had one dog that could smell her medicine a mile off and there was no hiding it in anything. In this case you need to get your vet to teach you how to administer the tablets. I hated having to do it this way, but sometimes there just isn't any other choice.

Karlin
26th March 2007, 02:27 AM
I have given lots of pills to cats and THAT is not fun. Though there is a technique to hold them and push down on the shoulders, pop open their mouth like a hatch, push the pill to the back of the throat, then gently hold their mouth shut til they lick their nose...

You can get plastic pill poppers for dogs/cats that make the 'forced' method pretty easy but if you can find a way of just getting them down normally that sure makes things easier.

All mine will eat anything -- Leo never even notices his capsules at all anfdthinks 'pill!' means 'special treat!' -- so pills thankfully aren't a problem for the dogs.

luvzcavs
26th March 2007, 03:30 AM
Does molly chew her food ?

I use banana, its perfect for mashing around the pill but my men don't chew it, its just striaght down the hatch. If this is no good think of a food that she loves and devours and then try and think of a way to use it ?

For example if she loves fish, mix it with a bit of mash and mould etc.

For harry's liquid he gets every night I use a syringe to put gently down the side of his mouth so he doesn't have to taste it as much.

Caraline
26th March 2007, 04:55 AM
I don't know whether you would want to do this with a dog that has SM, but for the one that I had to force the pills upon her, I'd slip my fingers right up the back of the mouth beyond the molars (they can't bite you here), lift upwards so that the nose points up in the air, making the mouth open wide, and then slide the tablet over the tongue and down into the gullet. It was easy with the Boxers as they have flip-top-heads & a mouth you could drive a truck through, and with them it wasn't a case of pushing it with your finger, but you whole hand.

Spencer'sMom
26th March 2007, 12:05 PM
Cream cheese is wonderful! The whipped kind that comes in the tub seems to be the easiest to work with. I had been using the fat free kind that's in the block but it's a really strange consistency and the pills started coming out. The whipped kind is really airy and you can just grab a small hunk and stuff the pills in it.

I have to give my cat Prozac every morning- let me tell you, NOT FUN. I have to do the pry the mouth open thing. But my vet gave me this stuff called val syrup to squirt in his mouth right afterward. It's really sweet and evidently all animals love it. As soon as I pop the pill in Angus' mouth I squirt some of the syrup, which gets him to swallow. If all else fails with the treats this may be something to try.

Caraline
26th March 2007, 12:24 PM
I have to give my cat Prozac every morning- let me tell you, NOT FUN.

Hey Spencer's Mom... I know my question is totally o.t. but I am so intrigued. Was your cat on Prozac for depression or is it used in cats for other purposes?

merlinsmum
26th March 2007, 01:55 PM
God, I must be sooo boring!

To get pills down my two I sit them between my knees, finger in the side of the mouth, pop pill down the side towards the back and then stroke their necks holding their heads a little higher than ususal. that way there is no chance of a spit out! half melted worming tablets are not nice :lol:

joanna
26th March 2007, 02:06 PM
I had this problem with Daisy Boo after her patella surgery. She had a liquid painkiller and I had to disguise it in a little yoghurt. I've done the same with tablets by crushing them and mixing with yoghurt.

Karlin
26th March 2007, 02:18 PM
Joanna:


and himindoors (mutt)

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Spencer'sMom
26th March 2007, 02:57 PM
I have to give my cat Prozac every morning- let me tell you, NOT FUN.

Hey Spencer's Mom... I know my question is totally o.t. but I am so intrigued. Was your cat on Prozac for depression or is it used in cats for other purposes?

Actually it's because he refused to use his litter box to pee. We tried so many other things such as medical tests for everything, new litter, a different location and other medications. We did this as a last resort and I'm happy to report that he's been using his box since we started him on the medicine. He's a little loopy but that is one million times better than the alternative.

Barbara Nixon
26th March 2007, 04:22 PM
I never had problems getting fussy Izzy to take his tablets, three times a day,as I moulded them into a ball of pate. The cheapest type that comes in a plastic sausage is easiest to shape and being slippery slides down the gullet quickly.

Caraline
27th March 2007, 02:56 AM
Actually it's because he refused to use his litter box to pee. We tried so many other things such as medical tests for everything, new litter, a different location and other medications. We did this as a last resort and I'm happy to report that he's been using his box since we started him on the medicine. He's a little loopy but that is one million times better than the alternative.

Oh wow! Thanks for explaining. I learn something new every day on this forum. 8)

lindsey
27th March 2007, 04:12 AM
[quote="Karlin"]Though there is a technique to hold them and push down on the shoulders, pop open their mouth like a hatch, push the pill to the back of the throat, then gently hold their mouth shut til they lick their nose...quote]


I know that this also works for dogs...some dogs at our boarding kennel absolutely refused to take pills....you do this same technique, hold their mouth closed, and BLOW on their nose! It works about 99% of the time.

The giving a piece of the treat before you actually give the pill sounds like a good idea too!

Lisa_T
27th March 2007, 02:37 PM
Competition works too, oddly. Holly used to be a nightmare with any pills, and she treated even conditioning tablets like Vetzyme with great suspicion.

Cue Amber. If it can be eaten, Amber thinks it's a treat. Giving her tablets of any kind is not a problem- she crunches them up double quick. So I give Amber the tabs first and praise her. Amber's happy, because she thinks she's gotten a treat (why I can't imagine- it's just the plain tablet!) so Holly decides she wants whatever Amber's got....

Voila. No more wrapping tabs in luncheon meat, which was what I had to do before. Holly adores luncheon meat. :lol:

sramirez
27th March 2007, 05:51 PM
My Sasha has to take a number of meds daily. I always use a pill crusher (bought at the Dollar Store for a $1!!). I put them in her meal along with her usual kibble, pumpkin, yogurt.

her liquid antibiotic she loves to take - i think it tastes like bananas.

Sheri

lindsey
27th March 2007, 06:11 PM
My Sasha has to take a number of meds daily. I always use a pill crusher (bought at the Dollar Store for a $1!!). I put them in her meal along with her usual kibble, pumpkin, yogurt.

Check with your vet first to see if the pills you are giving can be crushed. Remember just like human pills, some animal pills are not effective if crushed!

Scouty girl
29th March 2007, 04:58 PM
Thankfully, I've never had to give Scout a pill, but Breeze I have. I either wrap it in a piece of American Cheese, I say do you want cheese, and she gets excited. I quick give her a piece of plain chesse followed very quickly with the cheese with the pill and then just as quickly give her the the piece of plain cheese. No time to think about a pill or anything else hidden in it. Also I do give her a tablespoon of canned food a day. I can hide anything in a little wad of canned food and she will gulp it down.

As far as liquids, I do have to occasionally give my cat liquid medicine. The vet gave me a plastic syrine (without the needle of course) showed me how much to give and how to give it. I fill the syringe up , open his mouth and squirt. It happens so quickly he barley has time to protest.

KimNIndy
29th March 2007, 06:37 PM
indy eats far to heartily to notice pills in his food, but before i realised that we tried the sausage/hotdog method and it was great.

as for liquids, he eventually decided that he liked metacalm, but before that i would spread it on a piece of bread, roll it up, and he'd eat it.

good luck! poor little molly---will she be on multiple pills forever or is it just during her recovery?

k

Crittercall
30th March 2007, 03:07 AM
Have you tried canned cat food? Most dogs love it......

I've poked many a pill down many a dog or cats throat, making sure to get it behind the tongue. And I'm with Lindsay. Blow in their face. They will swallow then lick their nose!

Molly's mom
30th March 2007, 05:09 AM
:thnx: Thank you all for the wonderful suggestions!!!!
I have found that the american cheese is working well for all of the pills.
The liquid is another story, but if I follow it up with something really yummy and it seems to be getting better. All of the medication with the exception of the gabapentin will hopefully be short term while she is recovering.

The hospital got her addicted to Hills Science Diet AD canned food which makes her breath smell like butt :yuk: , so I am looking forward to getting her back on her regular food as soon as she is feeling better.

Crittercall
30th March 2007, 05:24 AM
GAG - Bev. you compliment that food when you compare it to "butt"! Isn't that the nastiest stuff ever? It would be great to give pills in if you could get it to hold its shape!

When will she be changing over to a regular diet? Soon I hope - for your sake.

I've never had problems with the liquids. Maybe she's just tired of being fooled with and having to have meds.

Hope things get easier for you soon.