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Gingers Mommy
9th April 2007, 08:54 PM
Yesterday we went into this cute little pet shop and they had 2 blenheim pups, brother & sister in the window. They were too cute so we had to play with them. The girl at the store told me that they were AKC registered and gave me the dam & sires names (I told her I was considering so she let us play with them but from all ive read you DONT buy from pet shops). Basically she tried to convince me that the whole thing was Kosher- that they get puppies from this woman that checks her dogs and shes a qualified breeder and they only get puppies(all types) from 5 breeders and she would come with papers- and that I could show her and breed her.
Are all pet stores like that? Do they all just say anything to make you buy the dog? I felt so bad for that little girl, I hate to think someones going to buy her and breed her and know NOTHING about doing that. Obviously we didnt buy her. I just have this sad feeling.....There was another couple in there looking at the boy, and they were first time dog owners (perspective) and I told them discretly not to buy from that store...i hope that wasnt wrong of me. I just feel strongly that from everything ive learned pet stores are not the right place to go.
Sorry if this was a long winded pointless post!
sorry kinda weird post I guess but I wanted to share.

WoodHaven
9th April 2007, 09:15 PM
What kind of breeder (even if the pet store doesn't use brokers) would want some kid in a store selling their pup to whomever had enough space on their credit card?

Cicero's Mummy
9th April 2007, 09:30 PM
Ditto to the above...

And furthermore... who puts a dog on a credit card... IMHO you shouldn't go into debt for a puppy!!

I hate it when the pushy sales boy/girl says there is credit plans and payment plans availble! (I used to go to Petland to play with the puppies, but not anymore, I don't want anyone associating me with a puppymill too!).

Gingers Mommy
9th April 2007, 09:36 PM
I know.....
She told me that they would charge me less if I paid cash. The worst part was that someone who doesnt know anything can buy this pup and not have it spayed and then it'll have puppies.....
I got Ginger from a good breeder thats known and found her on the AKC website. I wouldnt do it any other way.

gramercy girl
9th April 2007, 09:41 PM
i know it is soooo sad to see the puppies there. DH and i have browsed those pet stores too... one time, we saw a cutey Blenheim boy and i was sooo sad about it. we were curious and asked about the cost... they were selling him for the same price qualified and reputable ny/nj breeders ask for. i couldn't believe it.

i really wish something could be done about pet stores, puppy mills, etc... it's so heartbreaking to think of the conditions these puppies are being born into. i think it's good you told the other couple your opinion!!

Remali
9th April 2007, 10:15 PM
Is it possible that there may a few (very few) pet shops that do purchase their dogs from breeders and the puppies are indeed AKC registered? I mean, I do hope that there are a few good pet shops out there. But, I don't know, the more I hear, the more I wonder...

WoodHaven
9th April 2007, 11:00 PM
Ditto to the above...

And furthermore... who puts a dog on a credit card... IMHO you shouldn't go into debt for a puppy!!

I hate it when the pushy sales boy/girl says there is credit plans and payment plans availble! (I used to go to Petland to play with the puppies, but not anymore, I don't want anyone associating me with a puppymill too!).

I put everything on a credit card-- I have cards that give 1-5% discounts, it is easier to track business expenses, 30 days interest free on your money etc... Sandy

Gingers Mommy
9th April 2007, 11:01 PM
Thanks merdie, I thought I did the right thing too, I told them Id meet them outside the store and I started on my CKCS rant about not buying in pet shops, MVD & SM and the whole lot! My husband was like they probably think your NUTS. They def were asking around the same price as a reputable breeder.
Renee- I too wonder if its possible, unfortunatly I dont think so, I think I read somewhere in the breeders code of ethics they are not to sell to pet stores....
Any breeders want to chime in?!

natalieandmike
9th April 2007, 11:05 PM
I know in the CKC code of ethics it says somewhere that you cannot knowingly sell to a pet store...

On a completely unrelated note,--my parents put part of my brother's college tuition on a credit card...it paid for most of their Cadillac! (back when the GM card was a pretty good deal). Hee hee! (of course they just paid everything off at the end of the month). So, credit cards aren't ALL bad... just if they get you in trouble. I can't live without AMEX or Neiman's. -Natalie
PS Ginger's mommy...you go girl. I'm proud of you.

Gingers Mommy
9th April 2007, 11:39 PM
Thanks Natalie! I knew I read that somewhere as well.
On your other completley unrelated note ;)
My husband makes me put any LARGE purchases (just started re-doing the house) on his Amex (I never signed up for one bc I couldnt rationalize paying to have a c/c!) but he still kept his, so now we use that to get the miles on the big purchases! I know plenty people that did college tuition on theirs.

arasara
9th April 2007, 11:59 PM
Raven,

I put Kosmo on a credit card :) I would have put Faith on it too if I could have.. I get points! ;)

Cicero's Mummy
10th April 2007, 12:29 AM
Oh, i understand the rewards and points and stuff... I am just saying all too often people go into DEBT to buy a puppy mill dog... it is sad...

edited to clarify: I too put things on my card because it gets hubby "Cabela's Points" but I won't go into DEBT for things. :) I am not saying it is bad to use a credit card to get the points!! I am saying it is bad to go into DEBT. :)

PamH
10th April 2007, 12:32 AM
I too put everything on a credit card. I have "bought" my parents free tickets from England to Florida with the points I earn. I must admit though I did not put Maddy on it, but only because the breeder did not take credit cards!
Pam

moniechris
10th April 2007, 01:42 AM
For those of you engaged females out there, a great trick that I learned is that you put EVERYTHING for the wedding on a credit card with miles rewards (only what you can pay off of course), and you can fly to your honeymoon destination for free :D :D :D

Kingofthehouse86
10th April 2007, 04:13 AM
Guys I know what you're all talking bout...I'm sorry to say that my store is just like that...I know we don't get our pups from actual breeders. But their not from puppy mills but some stores do... But unlike most stores we don't sell dogs to just any who can afford it...We do background check to make sure that there are people home, do they have other dogs, or any other things that might pretain to the safety and security of our lil pups...If and only if they meet the majority of our critiria dog we allow them to take home the kid....but from what I've seen and heard from people and other stores they pretty much say "Here's your dog, good luck and so long!", but we're no where near that! We re-check up on the pups everday for the 1st week of going home...Then once more after the 1st week...

We take extreme pride in oue pups making sure that they are clean, healthy, eating, and very HAPPY!!!! Where I've seen some other stores that the dogs look sad, dirty, and very lonely.... But I can see where the majority of you can be worried...I'm worried bout every1 of the dogs that aren't in our store

JeanKC
10th April 2007, 02:09 PM
The place we buy our food from sells puppies, and kitties, and all the rodents and what not. They don't have rows and rows of them, but any given weekend there'll be a cocker or two and some mutts for sale, and a couple litters of kittens.

Being in the country, we've had a couple cases of accidental kitty litters. Those of you in the country know how you 'inherit' cats. :-(

On two occasions I've taken kittens to this store. I'm sure they pay something for the dogs, but I didn't get anything for the kittens. Obviously, some stores are different... but I try to think about the puppies in this store either being THERE, or at the pound.

KC

moniechris
10th April 2007, 02:35 PM
My local petland accepts dropped off pets, but it certainly isn't out of the goodness of their heart. When my hubby was in college, he worked there for about 2 months and quit because it was such a shady operation. People would come in and drop off "accidental" puppies and not ask any money for them, then the owner turned around and sold them for well over $500 a piece!!:mad: They would have "papers" because they could be registered with APRI or ACA.

He did the same for kittens. They are the exact same alley cat tabbies that you get at the pound but he charged $200!! They justified this price because you get a "kitten care pack" (which the pet store gets for free to market the food), vaccinations and a microchip. Again, you go to the pound and get the same deal for $50. I can't believe how many people fall for this garbage!!

My hubby once brought home a "teacup poodle" because it was so sick that they couldn't leave it alone in the store overnight. It was soooo small that my belief was that it was "teacup" because it could NOT have been older than 6 weeks old. The intention was to sell this baby for almost $2000!!!! We spent all night giving nutri-cal and spoon feeding this baby, who ended up dying the next day. I was horrified.

Cicero's Mummy
10th April 2007, 02:44 PM
My hubby once brought home a "teacup poodle" because it was so sick that they couldn't leave it alone in the store overnight. It was soooo small that my belief was that it was "teacup" because it could NOT have been older than 6 weeks old. The intention was to sell this baby for almost $2000!!!! We spent all night giving nutri-cal and spoon feeding this baby, who ended up dying the next day. I was horrified.

I would have been HORRIFIED too and so upset!! I can't believe there are people out there who do this!

Our local Petland would sell 6 week old puppies, everytime I would go in I would ask them... "isn't that a law violation." The last time I went in and took some literature about how it was and they asked me not to come back to that location again! How 'wude! They were the ones in the wrong!!

moniechris
10th April 2007, 03:07 PM
In Florida, it is absolutely illegal to sell a pup under 8 weeks old. It is really common place for puppy mills to lie about their age to make more profit off of "teacup" puppies who are really just small because they are either under fed or too young. (Oh yeah, thats another trick, they under feed the babies to keep them small)

This is a great website that explains how puppy mills will lie about the age of their pups to ship them out faster:
http://www.nopuppymills.com/index.php?page=mondayspups

Cicero's Mummy
10th April 2007, 03:10 PM
to make more profit off of "teacup" puppies who are really just small because they are either under fed or too young. (Oh yeah, thats another trick, they under feed the babies to keep them small)



How very "anna nicole" of them!! GRRRRRRRR...

ppotterfield
10th April 2007, 03:14 PM
Is it possible that there may a few (very few) pet shops that do purchase their dogs from breeders and the puppies are indeed AKC registered? I mean, I do hope that there are a few good pet shops out there. But, I don't know, the more I hear, the more I wonder...

One thing everyone needs to understand is that being AKC registered is not by itself an indication of quality and even being a breeder advertising on the AKC site is not. There are lots of petstores who buy from puppy mills through brokers that have AKC registerable puppies. :bang: In your search for a reputable breeder you need to lots of homework and ask lots of questions beyond AKC. Karlin's posts and links on purchasing a puppy are a good start. :thmbsup: It should not be as hard as it is but it is what it is.

arasara
10th April 2007, 03:31 PM
How very "anna nicole" of them!! GRRRRRRRR...

Although this is very OFF topic I have to say ~ If you've been following the ANS case closely you'll find that the nannies are taking back some of their statements.. It's all a mess.. Ack anyways I am just disgusted that the American media has taken such a big spin on the ANS case and persecuted a man who hasn't even been proven guilty. You can't take everything that FoxNews or whoever says for face value.

As far as puppies being taken away too early, Faith was taken from her mom to a pet store at 5 weeks :(

moniechris
10th April 2007, 04:00 PM
Although this is very OFF topic I have to say ~ If you've been following the ANS case closely you'll find that the nannies are taking back some of their statements.. It's all a mess.. Ack anyways I am just disgusted that the American media has taken such a big spin on the ANS case and persecuted a man who hasn't even been proven guilty. You can't take everything that FoxNews or whoever says for face value.

I haven't been following the story much at all, but I am going to have a Jerry Springer moment and am curious to see who the father is...Aren't they releasing the DNA tests today? I am kind of routing for Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband :lol: (totally kidding)

Cicero's Mummy
10th April 2007, 04:08 PM
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I hate all the media attention... but it is so Maurry this whole paternity thing... I really want to see too... lol... how sad am i?!? Other than that I haven't paid a lick of attention since they announced she died, other than the updates on the Today show... it's on while i get ready in the am. :)

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As for the AKC comment... that is really good advice and I second that just because a dog is registered AKC does not mean it came from a reputable breeder. Sad I know....

arasara
10th April 2007, 04:31 PM
LOL you guys are funny. Maybe OJ will turn out to be the dad :lol::lol::lol:

For Howard's sake I hope he is - that poor guy has been through more crap the last year then anybody I know of.. and all in the public's eye, too! I'm glad he hired that Lawyer who is going after everybody for slander and making falsifying statements about him. ANYWHOO ~

I can't believe pet stores can sell AKC registered dogs - that sucks. You think they would be more regulatory about that kind of thing. . .

And are there not LAWS stating when or how early puppies can be taken from their families? I can't believe Faith was taken at 5 weeks - rejected for that 2 weeks and then sent to Mickey at 7 weeks.. .. .. I found the "kennel" Faith came from and the lady proudly stated that she separates them from their mom at 5 weeks like there was no problem at all :bang::bang:

moniechris
10th April 2007, 05:08 PM
Sara: I would report her because it is against an FDA ruling to sell a pup before they are 8 weeks of age.

WoodHaven
10th April 2007, 05:29 PM
Sara: I would report her because it is against an FDA ruling to sell a pup before they are 8 weeks of age.


I think you mean the USDA (the food and drug admin. doesn't cover puppy sales) . USDA under the Animal Welfare Act-- I don't believe it is against the LAW to sell a pup under 8 weeks of age unless noted under the individual state statues. Individual states CAN have more restrictive laws-- but they can't be less restrictive than the national laws.

moniechris
10th April 2007, 07:51 PM
Thanks WoodHaven, brain fart on my end, that is what I meant!! lol.

Kodee
10th April 2007, 08:04 PM
I would have been HORRIFIED too and so upset!! I can't believe there are people out there who do this!

Our local Petland would sell 6 week old puppies, everytime I would go in I would ask them... "isn't that a law violation." The last time I went in and took some literature about how it was and they asked me not to come back to that location again! How 'wude! They were the ones in the wrong!!Ha, I love that you did this! They cant stop you from going back for that. It would be sad if you accidently dropped that literature on the store floor when shopping another time though :D

moniechris
10th April 2007, 08:08 PM
Here is the excerpt from the Animal Welfare Act:


ยง 2.130 Minimum age requirements.

No dog or cat shall be delivered by any person to any carrier or intermediate handler for transportation, in commerce, or shall be transported in commerce by any person, except to a registered research facility, unless such dog or cat is at least eight weeks of age and has been weaned.

This is refering to shipping, which Faith definitely was shipped.