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Holly
14th May 2007, 07:40 AM
Oliver woke me up at 1:30 this morning needing to go out where he proceeded to have diarrhea. I had been gone all weekend to a wedding and he stayed with a friend, where he was fine, and he was fine all day after I picked him up. He seems to feel ok and is drinking water and running around. I have been slowly switching him to Flint River Ranch (trout) over the past week from Innova, so that my boyfreind and I are feeding our dogs the same food, as it makes life easier. Oliver hasn't had any problem with it- so I'm not sure if its the switching food or a bug. He is still getting a mix of the new/old food.

Just wanted to check... do you all recommend not giving him any food right now, just water, then boiled white rice and chicken and slowly introducing his food back?

Thanks!

Karlin
14th May 2007, 03:14 PM
Withhold food for 12 hours or so to give his gut a rest, but give plenty of water -- they can get dehydrated without water so water is important. :thmbsup:

In 12 hours try a light (small) meal of boiled rice and plain chicken.

Keep meals small -- he doesn't need his usual amount -- see how he does. If it lasts for longer than 24-36 hours, take him to the vet.

Lots of things cause diarrhea -- could be some treats he was given or something he ate or a bug he picked up or just some stress from having been in a strange place for a few days.

I doubt it was the food transition unless he has problems with the new food. I actually have never had an issue with offering totally different foods day to day (that's what I do regularly anyway --they rarely have the exact same thing two days in a row) so while some dogs may have issues with switching it is certainly not the norm and I've never been sure why people are advised to take such care in switching foods -- after all dogs are omnivores!

If as many raw feeding advocates say, dogs have stomachs that have no issue even with organisms like salmonella that can make humans extremely ill, than certainly just changing kibble is not going to cause any problem (BTW I don't agree that dogs do not have problems with salmonella etc -- but it seems very odd that on the one hand there's a whole feeding movement based on the assumption that dogs can literally stomach just about anything (and where people have much successs with feeding in this way), and on the other hand, lots of people are being advised that dogs' digestive systems are so delicate that they cannot change from one kibble to another from day to day. icon_nwunsure :lol: Anyway, personally, I have never bothered with slow transitions of food and cannot imagine it causes much problems for most dogs unless they are fed for long periods on only one brand of kibble with nothing added to it, ever. So if you've been doing a gradual transition I don't really think that would be a likely cause of diarrhea. :thmbsup:

Holly
14th May 2007, 03:37 PM
Thanks, Karlin. I have learned so much from this board. It seems like every few months we go through an episode of this. I have aksed the vet whether it could be whipworm as they have a life cycle similar to this. My old roommate's dog had whipworm- apparently they can pick it up outside. The life cycle is such that it makes it hard to pick it up. Oliver has been on Sentinel for several months now, as that takes care of fleas, heartworm, and whipworm.

He has had xrays and other tests done, but they all come back negative, so the vet always says it's just a bug or something and it goes away within a few days.

I will keep an eye on him and if it's not better take him to the vet.

Holly
14th May 2007, 09:23 PM
I just came home (I was also home at lunch) and he was frantic to get outside and had it again...he hasn't eaten since about 6:00 pm last night, but he is drinking water. He seems a little gloomy and needier than usual but not too bad.

Can I give Immodium? If so, how much would you recommend? My friend's vet recommended 4 milligrams for her Springer, but she only gave him 2, which was one pill.

Should I still feed him a bit of rice even though he is still having diarrhea?

Lani
14th May 2007, 09:32 PM
Be careful with the immodium. I accidentally gave Lucky too much and he threw up. :( It was just a little too much (those are tiny pills to cut ... I gave him the 2/3 side of the cut by accident instead of 1/3).

I'll let others comment on the dosage for Immodium ... since my last attempt at giving it to Lucky was a miserable failure. One pill will definitely be too much for a Cavalier though, I can tell you that.

I would keep him on the rice, but I should tell you Lucky's latest bouts of diarrhea have all corresponded with me going away for a few days. I think there's a definite stress factor in it for him. I'd bet that is probably true for Oliver too. Hope he feels better soon. :flwr:

Holly
14th May 2007, 09:37 PM
Thanks--it's funny because I was just thinking that the last time this happened was when I went away at Christmastime. The day after I got home he had this same stuff going on. I took him to the vet and they couldn't find anything wrong. Maybe it is stress??

Cathryn
14th May 2007, 09:54 PM
Hi Holly!

I swear by Kaolin when my dogs have this, I with-hold food for 24 hours and give them a teaspoon of Kaolin every 6-8 hours, another thing I also use is arrowroot biscuits after 24 hours of starving. Always let them drink as this can be very dehydrating. Can you get hold of kaolin at all in the U.S? Only ask as I'm in the UK is all!

Hope he's feeling better soon anyway!

Remali
14th May 2007, 10:12 PM
My two have been having off and on bouts of diarrhea too, and my vet told me to give Bentley a half of an Imodium pill (Bentley is 19 lbs.), and it did seem to help him a little. Bailey tho, threw up the Imodium....Bailey is only 6 lbs. (he is a Poodle, whereas Bentley is a Cavalier of course, in case you are wondering, lol!), I had gotten the liquid Imodium for Bailey and the vet told me to give him one fourth teaspoon, but it seemed to make Bailey sick. Bentley was OK with half a pill tho. I gave them all the water they wanted, including Gatorade (vet recommended that), and I did feed boiled chicken and rice for a while, then I started to slowly mix in their dog food with it. It took several days though.

Holly
14th May 2007, 10:12 PM
Thanks, Cathryn. I am not sure about the Kaolin...I haven't heard of it here but I will look into it. He is drinking water, so that's a good thing.

Holly
14th May 2007, 10:16 PM
Thanks, too, Renee. I appreciate everyone's advice. It's stressful when your baby is sick!!

Remali
15th May 2007, 08:17 PM
How is Oliver today? Bentley is back to having a few loose stools again....hopefully we won't go back to the liquid diarrhea.

Hope Oliver is better! Keep us posted!

Holly
15th May 2007, 08:24 PM
Thanks for asking...I had him on just a little boiled white rice yesterday and he didn't go at all last night. This morning I gave him white rice and a spoonful of the Science Diet I/D (only because the vet had recommended it as it's supposedly easy on their stomach. I never feed Science Diet). He seemed starving and has been drinking water and playing and wanting to eat. This morning (not to be gross) it was formed at first, then liquid. When I went home at lunch, liquid again, poor baby. I may have to take him to the vet, except that he seems perfectly fine otherwise.

I hope Bentley feels better, too! :) It's hard being a mom- I can't imagine what it's like to have real kids!! Especially when they get sick- you worry so much!

Remali
16th May 2007, 05:07 AM
I've been really tempted to try that Science Diet I/D, and about the time that I was going to go get some, Bentley (and Bailey) got better. Today Bentley had a couple of soft stools, somewhat formed tho. At least we aren't back to the watery diarrhea again. Sometimes I wonder if maybe Bentley doesn't have a touch of colitis, at times his poo is a bit mucousy. Has your vet ever mentioned colitis? It's nerve-wracking isn't it... :(

I hope the new dog food helps Oliver's tummy and intestines get better. It sounds sort of like what Bentley gets....he acts just fine, yet he gets the runs every now and then. Altho this last time when both Bentley and Bailey got the runs, I think that may have been caused by a virus or something. It lasted about 6 days, and they both had the exact same symptoms, and just as quickly as it came on it went away that fast too. I'm hoping Bentely's soft stool today were just a one-time thing....otherwise I'll take him in to the vet. Sometimes a teaspoon or two of pure canned pumpkin (not the pie filling tho) will help with the diarrhea. I fed that to Bentley a few times and it did seem to help.

Is Oliver drinking enough water? That was the one thing my vet was concerned about, making sure that they didn't get dehydrated.

Holly
16th May 2007, 12:57 PM
Yes, he is drinking-I've een vigilant about that. I am going to take him to the vet today so we shall see...Thanks for your concern! Hope Bentlet does okay, too- I love that name!

Crittercall
17th May 2007, 01:29 AM
I think that Kaopectate would be about the same as Kaolin. Don't know about dosage.

The I/D isn't a bad food, and it's a pretty good idea to keep a can or two on hand. I had a shihtzu who had IBS and we would often have to go on I/D and metronidazole (flagyl). This would happen whenever she was stressed.

Holly
17th May 2007, 02:20 AM
The vet can't see him until tomorrow, but said in the meantime to give him an Immodium which is helping a little. He is still eating the I/D and some white rice and I am making sure he is drinking lots of water.

He goes through this every few months and ends up on the I/D and flagyl-they have done xrays and other tests but never find anything. I am thinking it's stress related, too. I hope he is feeling 100% soon!

Cathy T
17th May 2007, 02:25 AM
I swear by the I/D for upset tummies! It's the only thing my two can eat if they get upset. Both of mine get it from stress....definitely! I was surprised neither got sick this weekend away in Burbank/Mission Viejo. I brought their raw in a cooler and they were both fine.

Holly
17th May 2007, 02:27 AM
Can they have "normal" poops on the I/D and rice? I never thought I would be having such an involved poop converstaion until I got a dog! :)

Remali
17th May 2007, 03:47 AM
I'm glad that Oliver is doing OK and isn't worse or anything....it sounds so much like what Bentley gets....he will get that from time to time too. I think I will try the I/D next time too. Hope it goes well at the vet for you and Oliver tomorrow....sounds good tho, that he is drinking and eating, that is half the battle. Does anyone know...are Cavaliers more prone to colitis than other breeds? Sort of seems that way to me. Leave it to me to have a dog with intestinal troubles, half my family has colitis, LOL! I know what you mean....since I got Bentley I have a lot of poop-related discussions....LOL! :D

Cathy T
17th May 2007, 04:28 AM
Can they have "normal" poops on the I/D and rice


Yep. But I don't give any rice...just I/D. And in very small (Tablespoon) amounts at frequent intervals.

Tonight, on our walk, Shelby's poop was so firm...it rolled down the hill :D :D That's never happened before...I used to have to scrape it off the sidewalk and hope no one saw me leaving that big old poop smear on the sidewalk.

Welcome the poop round table ;) Had a nice discussion about just this topic with another Cavalier owner on the phone tongiht. I was so excited about Shelby's poop rolling downhill. :rah:

Crittercall
17th May 2007, 05:40 AM
The things we do for love!!:D

I never fed any rice with the I/D either. Knock on wood, none of my girls has had any real problems. I think the lizard they eat every once in a while gets to them, but not nerves.

Remali, wait until the discussion turns to the different "smells". I can tell if there is blood in it even when you can't see blood. Had a friend who could tell what someone was feeding their puppy by the way the poop smelled! The joy of veterinary work!!

KimNIndy
17th May 2007, 05:25 PM
wish i'd been able to get on the board over the last few days. indy got diarreah on friday as well! i was trying to drag my parents over to the poop round table without thinking about the fact that they might not be as excited about the re-appearance of firm poops as i was!

holly i'm also convinced that indy's tummy is upset by stress. the vet found no evidence of worms or infection, but he's on metronidazole and science diet i/d anyway. the i/d made indy much better as i had no luck with the rice and chicken. one thing to look into is giardia, but i'm assuming that if oliver went to the vet he probably checked for it. i'd never heard of this tummy parasite (that humans get as well) but apparently it's highly contagious and a lot of dogs can pick it up from the communal water bowls at dog parks, etc...

indy's diarreah is always full of mucous---i mentioned it to the vet a few times but they didn't say anything about colitis. is this an indicator of it?

i hope oliver feels better soon! i'm sure the i/d will help him.

k

Lani
17th May 2007, 05:40 PM
Kim, given what all you've been up to the last week, I'd bet Indy's is stress related too. My vet's tech told me that that Cavaliers get colitis a lot because of stress because they are a clingy breed that really needs to be around people and can get stressed easily.

I'm starting a new job on the 29th and I'll be working away from home for the first time ... I'm getting a dog walker but I think I need to start leaving Lucky alone more during the day to get him gradually used to it ... I prefer to just listen to the poop discussions rather than sharing the details of Lucky's poo so I don't want to get him too stressed out... :o

I hope Oliver and Indy both feel better soon.

Holly
17th May 2007, 06:15 PM
Thanks, guys. Just returned from the vet and he did a thorough exam and a few tests and pronounced it...stress induced. He gave him an injection (I was so surprised-Oliver didn't even flinch or make a peep!) of an anti-diahrreal med and sent us home with flagy, anti-d pills, and a 6-pack of I/D to keep him on until Monday. He has had that anti-d med before and it really knocks him out and makes him woozy.

He also said that if I need to go away again, to have someone give him an Immodium on the day before I return home.

With Oliver's tummy problems, thank goodness for Pet Insurance! Anyway, thanks to everyone for sympathizing and sharing your stories!

The vet also knew nothing about SM so I got his email address to send him the info.

Hope everyone else is feeling better soon!

Holly
17th May 2007, 06:18 PM
Oh, and... I asked him to look at Oliver's knees because lately, on occasion, I have noticed him limping a teeny-tiny bit which has mad me nervous. He said his left hind kneecap felt a bit loose and there may be a slight tear that may or may not heal itself so he wants to keep an eye on it... uh-oh!! :(

Crittercall
17th May 2007, 08:35 PM
My experience has been that the mucus is usually present in the stool when the problem is caused by IBS, colitis, stress (whatever you want to call it!). The I/D and flagyl always worked for us - hope you are able to keep some on hand.

Luckily my Cavs aren't very nervous. And so far Sasha hasn't shown signs of that. But I know from living with my first shihtzu what you guys are going through. Keep the carpet cleaner handy!!

Holly
17th May 2007, 08:43 PM
Speaking of, I have found the Resolve Dual Action Carpet Cleaner to work miracles in these situations if anyone is looking for a good one!

Remali
19th May 2007, 01:40 AM
LOL crittercall...speaking of poo smells, I nearly mentioned that in my post, because when Bentley had that liquidy diarhhea a couple weeks ago the smell could have knocked ya right over....LOL Sure glad that is over with!

Great tip on the carpet cleaner! I usually use Nature's Miracle, but I'm always looking for more stuff to clean with. I am considering buying a carpet shampooer/steam vac....and I actually just posted a new thread on the Dog and Bone section about which steam vacs people like and/or have. I have beige carpets and I rent, and I want them to stay as clean as possible, so I figure with two dogs and a house-bunny, I need to buy myself a good steam vac! LOL! :D

I'm glad that Oliver is better! I agree with the stress/clingy Cavalier theory, Bentley is really attached to me, and having another dog (Bailey) does help him, but I think he still stresses out a bit too. And I am also starting a new job on the 29th, and I won't be able to stay home if he gets sick, so I have my fingers crossed he stays "D-free"! :xfngr: