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katc10
11th July 2007, 10:37 PM
Can anyone make a recommendation for shampoo? Indy's fur has become a lot more coarse than it used to be, and I'm hoping a different shampoo might help. Any advice?

Cathryn
11th July 2007, 10:43 PM
Hi Kelly!!

Has Indy recently been spayed/ neutered or been on a long term course of anti-biotics? I only ask as these can all drastically affect the texture of a dogs coat?

katc10
11th July 2007, 10:50 PM
No, she's been spayed for over a year and is only on flea & heartworm meds. I don't know if the fact that we got another dog a few months ago makes any difference, he is always biting her fur and leaving knots, and probably pulling it out, and I even noticed on the top of her butt she has like "highlights" of brown on her black fur, but I thought this might be normal? She's about 18 months, so I think that's when her fur starts growing out more?

Cathryn
11th July 2007, 10:59 PM
Hi!

The brown "highlights" you mention are actually dead coat! Don't panic or beat yourself up about this it is very normal in Tri-Colours and Black and Tans! OK First of all I wuld rcommend a Mars Coat King as this will remove all the dead coat Indy has!! Then I would recommend an Evening Primrose Oil shampoo, this works well on a Tri coat and don't forget to condition really well too! Always put back into the coat what you take out!! I love the Plush Puppy range and would recommend their Evening Primrose Oil Shampoo followed up by their Silk Protein Conditioner, I use these on my own Tri-colours and have had very good results with them, just do a Google search on the name and you will find their website!!

*SIGH* Another trade secret up in smoke!! ;) ;) :lol: :lol:

Will also work well on a B/T coat except I only have parti-colours!!

Holly
11th July 2007, 11:08 PM
Cathryn, what do you like to use on the Blenheims?

katc10
11th July 2007, 11:19 PM
The Coat King has blades, is it the same as this:
http://www.petedge.com/assets/product_images/styles/medium/TP19127_230X230.JPG?
I was going to purchse that for cutting thru Indy's mats instead of cutting them out like I have been doing :(

Cathryn
11th July 2007, 11:25 PM
Hi Holly!

I swear by the Groomers range, have a look here, http://www.groomers-online.com/

Products I use a lot from this wonderful range include Banana and Mango Shampoo,Peach & Apricot Shampoo, Evening Primrose Oil Shampoo, Magic Rain Forest Shampoo (for very dirty dogs) & Avacado & Mint Conditioner. I must say that I have over the years found that what suits one dog does not necesarrily suit another!!

The Banana & Mango and the Peach and Apricot Shampoo's are considered mild enough fo rdaily use and smell as scrummy as they sound!! They are great value too at about £10 for 5 ltrs!! They last me ages!!

I always send my babies off to their forever hmes with a bottle of Groomers puppy shampoo too, start as you mean to go on I always say!!

Cathryn
11th July 2007, 11:37 PM
The Coat King has blades, is it the same as this:
http://www.petedge.com/assets/product_images/styles/medium/TP19127_230X230.JPG?
I was going to purchse that for cutting thru Indy's mats instead of cutting them out like I have been doing :(

hi!

No, a Coat King looks like this!!
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s17/Cathryn_017/coatking-2489.jpg

You simply pull it through the natural lay of the coat and it will take out all the dead hair in there!! Great Grooming tool to have in your kit!!

Holly
11th July 2007, 11:37 PM
Thanks, Cathryn--you always have the nicest replies and such great advice, too! :)

Cathryn
11th July 2007, 11:42 PM
Thanks, Cathryn--you always have the nicest replies and such great advice, too! :)

Aw Shucks Holly!! icon_blshing icon_blshing Thanks!!

BarbMazz
11th July 2007, 11:50 PM
I use Pet Silk products on my dogs. They're very nice!

Here's a link:
http://mjmcompany.com/petsilk.htm

katc10
12th July 2007, 01:10 AM
hi!

No, a Coat King looks like this!!
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s17/Cathryn_017/coatking-2489.jpg

You simply pull it through the natural lay of the coat and it will take out all the dead hair in there!! Great Grooming tool to have in your kit!!
I saw what it looks like, I guess I'm not sure what the difference is? Does it just pull out the dead hair, not cut anything? I was confused because of the blades...

Cathy T
12th July 2007, 01:28 AM
Kelly - bring Indy over here and we'll use my coat king on her!! I've noticed that Jake's dark color was looking a bit listless and realized I've been using whitening shampoo on his black parts....because I was getting lazy. I bathed him today and used blackening on his black parts and can already see a difference. Yes, some of the brown or reddish is dead coat...the coat king will get rid of it. I always use tons of conditioner. I use either petsilk and Chris Christensen products on both of mine. I also like Paul Mitchell for pets conditioner. Smells really good.

katc10
12th July 2007, 01:32 AM
LOL, now I need to go find some of these products!:D

JeanKC
12th July 2007, 05:48 AM
Hi!

The brown "highlights" you mention are actually dead coat! ....

Depending on the angle and lighting, we can see brownish/reddish highlights on both our tris... and I pretty well take care of the dead hair. The black is also different on each of them. Elvis has more of the brownish/reddish highlight than Beau does.

goldcountryrose
12th July 2007, 06:09 AM
I use White Lace Shampoo on my Blen. I really does make the white more brilliant, it smells wonderful, and makes a very nice lather.

Very funny story, at least to me. I bathe Toby in the bath tub and keep the White Lace on the side of the tub. My 15 year-old grandson was at my house, as usual, for the weekend. I know....you can see this coming.

Sat morning he goes in and takes a shower and comes out and says, "Grandma, I used that new shampoo you have, feel how soft my hair is."
I asked, "What new shampoo?" He says, "That White Lace stuff."

Now there is no way I am going to make my beloved grandson feel bad, or stupid, or...whatever negative thing he could have felt. So, I didn't say a thing.

Maybe a week or two later, having forgotten about my grandson's experience, I was packing to go to work, and asked him to go get the dog shampoo from the bathroom. He said, "What dog shampoo?" I said, it's in a tall bottle, it is blue. He goes and gets it and brings it out and says, "Grandma! This is the shampoo I've been using, and it made my hair really great, are you sure it's the dog shampoo?"

So, I said, yes, it's dog shampoo, but it costs 10 bucks a bottle, so no wonder it was so good for your hair. He didn't feel bad at all. In fact, to this day, several months later, he swears it is the best shampoo he has ever used.
But he did stop using it.

Cathryn
12th July 2007, 11:26 AM
Sometimes when Black hair dies it will go brown on the end and be coarse and flyaway looking, this is what I was referring to, most of my Tri's do have some brown in their Black as well but when the very end of the coat is frizzy lloking and brown in colour it is dead coat!

Love the story about the White Lace shampoo too :lol: I have to admit that in my bathroom there are about 12 different lots of shampoo's and conditioners for the dogs that cost ££££'s each and the kids shampoo and ours cost about £1:50!! If I had £1 for every time I heard a fellow breeder/exhibitor/dog owner say that I'd be a Millionare by now!! :lol:

The Mars coat king will only remove the dead coat that needs to come out, healthy living coat will stay where it should be! The coat king has more like hooks than blades per se' I wouldn't use one to cut knots out personnally!! Once you use one of them and see what you get out of your dog and how good the rest of their coat is you'll not want to use anything else!!

*Pauline*
12th July 2007, 02:00 PM
Hi Holly!

I swear by the Groomers range, have a look here, http://www.groomers-online.com/

Products I use a lot from this wonderful range include Banana and Mango Shampoo,Peach & Apricot Shampoo, Evening Primrose Oil Shampoo, Magic Rain Forest Shampoo (for very dirty dogs) & Avocado & Mint Conditioner.

Hi Cathryn,

I can't find the avocado and mint conditioner on the site, just avocado and cucumber, is that what you meant or am I a bit lost on their site? I fancy all the smells of the tropical conditioner but wonder if it's too rich, it says:

"Combines the fragrance of coconut with extracts of watermelon & vanilla to condition and moisturise dry & damaged coats. Can be used on all breeds."

Have you tried it? I'm really glad you mentioned this site as I've been looking for something good and reasonably priced :D

Cathryn
12th July 2007, 06:13 PM
Hi Cathryn,

I can't find the avocado and mint conditioner on the site, just avocado and cucumber, is that what you meant or am I a bit lost on their site? I fancy all the smells of the tropical conditioner but wonder if it's too rich, it says:

"Combines the fragrance of coconut with extracts of watermelon & vanilla to condition and moisturise dry & damaged coats. Can be used on all breeds."

Have you tried it? I'm really glad you mentioned this site as I've been looking for something good and reasonably priced :D


Hi Pauline!!

Yes they have recently changed the formula of the conditioner, I am half way down a 5 litre one of the old one right now!!
The tropical conditioner I use on Princess as she has a more woolly coat and it is great!! their brushes are really nice too, they have a jelly like handle which is really easy to grip and very decent sized slicker brushes too. This is a quallity range at affordable prices!
Other products I really like are their blue pearl whitening shampoo and also the rain drops frequent use shampoo!

This is a company that supply professional groomers, I am in their loyalty programme as I can NEVER have enough doggy shampoo! Some of the shampoo's can be used neat or diluted down depending on the effect you want, if you feel a conditioner is a little rich then try diluting it down 50/50 with some warm water!!

Oh did I mention the sexy blue plastic aprons? Really great when you are bathing "En Masse"!! I often just bath about 6 dogs at a time, we have a production line going in the end! OH handing me the dogs, me bathing them and Josie giving them a good rub before they finish themselves off on the beds if we forgot to close the bedroom doors!! :rotfl:

sallymum
12th July 2007, 06:35 PM
Does anyone know where u can buy the coat king. Sam could do with one.

Cathryn
12th July 2007, 07:29 PM
Hi!

yep! try here! www.hubint.com they sell them, I got mine from them!!

Go for a 16 blade fine, this is what I use.

Karen S.
12th July 2007, 08:59 PM
I use Harmony conditioning shampoo and Harmony detangling finishing spray.
These products were developed by a champion English Cocker Spaniel breeder.
I also bought a Furminator for use on my Cavis coats. The Cavaliers love it being used on them. I have a larger one that I use on my Tervuren. It's wonderful and worth the price.

*Pauline*
12th July 2007, 10:49 PM
Hi Pauline!!

Some of the shampoo's can be used neat or diluted down depending on the effect you want, if you feel a conditioner is a little rich then try diluting it down 50/50 with some warm water!!

Good idea, Thanks Cathryn. This seems to be a good deal, a mix of 4 different 1litre shampoos plus a 1litre conditioner and a 500ml spray conditioner for £20.86
http://www.groomers-online.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=491

Holly
12th July 2007, 11:00 PM
Karen S.--I saw a video playing at the vets office of the Furminator being used on a Lab. I couldnt believe the amount of hair that was coming out! I am trying to convince my boyfriend to buy it for his non-stop shedding Lab! Does it work well on the Cavs too?

Karen S.
13th July 2007, 02:09 AM
It works great! You will not believe the amount of dead hair that comes out.
The Cavaliers absolutely love it.
We are saving all our hair and are going to have it made into a scarf.

Holly
13th July 2007, 02:29 PM
It works great! You will not believe the amount of dead hair that comes out.
The Cavaliers absolutely love it.
We are saving all our hair and are going to have it made into a scarf.


Yuck!!! Thats funny! :)

WoodHaven
13th July 2007, 02:31 PM
Yuck!!! Thats funny! :)

You can actually have almost any hair spun into yarn and made into scarves, blankets etc... My hubby says we could have our own carpet made from all the hair. (he's kidding, I think-lol)

Karen S.
13th July 2007, 02:35 PM
Hmmm a blanket now that's something to try for. I wonder how much hair it would take? Seriously I have seen scarves and other small items made. The dog hair is usually knitted with anogora rabbit hair and the items turn out beautifully. My friend had her chow chows hair done. She used it all last winter. She was so proud.

katc10
13th July 2007, 05:19 PM
I ended up ordering Pet Silk shampoo & conditioner & oil of some sort, and the mat cutter I posted. I'm anxious to get to Cathy's to try out the Coat King.