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*Pauline*
19th December 2007, 06:30 PM
Poor Dylan has an upset tummy. He had diarrhea yesterday. He also got up at 2am and 5am and got himself all dirty each time, poor thing had to get in the bath for a few showers. He also threw up clear mucus this morning.

I took him to the vet who gave him a prebiotic to balance his stomach and asked me to take stool samples for 3 days and hand in the pot on Friday. He said he wanted to check there wasn't a parasite in there as he's otherwise ok but has had this happen before. There's no temperature, he isn't off his food and he is playful.

I also have to starve him until tomorrow morning. I feel like I'm torturing him, he keeps asking for food :(

I'm wondering if the stool sample is necessary but I am covered by insurance so I may as well, it cost me £85 in total for the prebiotic, the consultation and the stool test. The stool test alone was £48

p.s. Worried now, please see post #7 below.

He's a picture of the little fella. I was trying to keep him warm and cosy but he only stayed there a minute, he hates being too warm:rolleyes: (That stringy hair coming from under the blanket is a cushion, not Dylan's fur!)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2308/2122530045_e74780ff18.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2036/2122528097_17a2a40069.jpg

coconut
19th December 2007, 06:47 PM
poor dylan, i hope that he is feeling better soon, he looks so cute wrapped up in the blanket!!! yet us posted!!

Aileen
19th December 2007, 07:27 PM
Hope he is better soon
Aileen and the gang (Barney---Jazzie---Sam)

Lynn
19th December 2007, 09:08 PM
:hug: to Dylan...hope he feels better soon!!

He does look so adorable all wrapped up.

Lani
19th December 2007, 09:28 PM
I hope Dylan is better soon!!! :flwr:

Claire L
19th December 2007, 09:43 PM
:flwr: Get well soon little man :xfngr::lotsaluv:

*Pauline*
19th December 2007, 09:58 PM
I'm worried now. Dylan finally did a poo, it was firm and I took the sample but I noticed a tiny bit of blood in it i think. Just two little dots of red, not watery. When I was at the vets, he asked if there had been any blood but I said no because I hadn't seen any. I'll be calling the vet in the morning.

metime
19th December 2007, 10:27 PM
Pauline hope Dylan is ok - poor little pet

Maxwell&me
19th December 2007, 10:56 PM
Thinking of you here~ Im so sorry for the worry.

cosmic81
20th December 2007, 01:20 AM
I hope he feel better soon....keep him warm

Karlin
20th December 2007, 01:28 AM
Don;t get too worried especially if he isn't much under the weather. Blood isn't necessarily anything to worry about. Jaspar, Lily and one of my cats has blood in stools on and off and it isn;t any big deal -- some animals just get a bit of blood in their stools (those that have on and off stomach upsets, generally). It is however always important to have it checked so yes, you do need to do the stool samples. He may have bleeding gastroenteritis -- and if you catch it at this early stage then it can be dealt with easily -- also it is the right approach to have him off food. Your vet will be able to tell you more when you have him in but let the vet know you have seen some blood.

It is really common for dogs coming out of the pound to get some blood in stools due to poor diet and anxiety, and dogs with worms can also show some blood in stools. It is generally not a worry but as I said, you always want to check with a vet.

pinkpuppy
20th December 2007, 02:29 AM
Another *hug* for you and Dylan. Hope he gets well soon.

Cleo's Person
20th December 2007, 10:30 AM
Pauline, I've only just read this entire thread now. I hope Dylan is feeling better soon. Please keep us posted on how it goes at the vets. :hug: :hug: to you as I'm sure you need them just now.

Matte
20th December 2007, 11:16 AM
Pauline, please keep us posted--I hope that he's better soon.

*Pauline*
20th December 2007, 01:33 PM
Thanks everyone for the well wishes.

I called the vet this morning and the nurse is giving him all the details. I was thinking of cancelling the stool sample as he probably won't produce anything today as he ate nothing yesterday and I gave him chicken and rice this morning. I'll see what the vet says. He wanted 3 days of samples all in the same pot, seems a bit odd to me. I think it may be best to start the 3 days of samples on Monday as we are not going to be restricted by the weekend...

...The nurse called me back. The vet still wants to do the stool sample but I asked if it's better to wait until Monday to start taking the samples Monday to Wednesday as he probably won't poo today and it has to be handed in tomorrow morning. I only have one sample from last night. She said she'd get back to me if the vet disagreed and I haven't heard from her.

Karlin
20th December 2007, 02:09 PM
It's usually best to get samples while you are seeing a problem. Dogs will still tend to produce stools even if they are not being fed. If you have seen blood you really need to have that checked -- it may be nothing but it can also be a sign of a serious problem so I'd have the fecal done while you are seeing the problem. It doesn't really matter whether they are all in one container or not -- they just need enough matter over a period to check, doesn't matter which day is which. :thmbsup:

mishmosh
20th December 2007, 03:45 PM
Get well soon Dylan. Sounds like doggy gastroenteritis.

*Pauline*
20th December 2007, 04:56 PM
Karlin, he still has only done one poo on Wed, nothing today so far, he's eaten twice. Yes it makes sense to have this test done sooner than later. I have only tiny sample as he said take a pea size amount. Have you ever heard of a sample being taken over three days?

Mishmosh, I'm thinking it's not gastroenteritis as the vet said his stomach is nice and relaxed and isn't hurting him.

Karlin
20th December 2007, 05:15 PM
If he has blood and it isn't gastroenteritis, I'd want to have that checked out.

Yes, I've heard of them wanting samples over a couple of days.

You seem really concerned about whether and why to actually do a fecal though, and the way in which they want it taken and why. I'd just ring them and ask why they need a sample over several days as I am sure they will be happy to explain the reasons if they didn't do that for you. If you are not happy with this approach then maybe try a different vets for a second opinion?

He also sounds constipated perhaps? Or am I misunderstanding -- I thought you were withholding food, but you've fed him twice? Or have you just reintroduced food today?

*Pauline*
20th December 2007, 05:20 PM
I trust them, it's a good vets. I just wish, like you say, it had been explained. I'd understand it more if each day the sample went into a different jar. Still no poo yet icon_whistling

*Pauline*
20th December 2007, 05:22 PM
He also sounds constipated perhaps? Or am I misunderstanding -- I thought you were withholding food, but you've fed him twice? Or have you just reintroduced food today?

Yes, I starved him yesterday and the vet said to reintroduce food this morning.

Gem
20th December 2007, 06:46 PM
:hug:Get well soon Dylan

Scouty girl
20th December 2007, 06:51 PM
Pauline, I'm sorry to hear about wee Dylan. I hope he's feeling better soon. Please keep us posted. Dylan is just the cutest little dog. I adore all his pictures and he looks so cozy in that blanket.

shippers
20th December 2007, 07:02 PM
How is Dyan this evening? Hope he's getting better. He looks like he's getting pampered in the photo and why not he deserves it. Get better soon little man

*Pauline*
20th December 2007, 10:54 PM
As predicted, my boy won't poo! I even took him out for a short walk at 10pm and am cooking up a little plain rice, no matter if he gets me up in the night! He is very hungry and it might get things moving.

So all I have thus far is one small sample for a poo he did on Wednesday and it has to be handed in tomorrow.

THFC1882
20th December 2007, 11:04 PM
Hope Dylan gets better soon, he looks such a lovely dog.

KimNIndy
20th December 2007, 11:42 PM
get well soon dylan! upset tummies are the worst. he looks so pitiful in his blanket.....hugs from me and indy!

metime
21st December 2007, 12:38 AM
Pauline - hope all goes well

shippers
21st December 2007, 12:34 PM
Is Dylan any better today? I'd just go back to the vet with the small sample you have and explain to the vet that he hasn't pooed. At least then the vet can investigate further and they wil be aware of his symptoms. Has he been eating? If not maybe re introduce his normal food to get things moving.

*Pauline*
21st December 2007, 01:38 PM
Dylan asked to go out at 8am and we finally got another sample :-p Bright yellow and like mousse, maybe due to the prebiotic and the change to boiled rice and chicken, because on Wednesday he had a normal looking stool. I rushed it round there as soon as the surgery opened. I won't get the results until after Christmas.

I'm sure he'll get well soon, he's sleepy and quiet and wants cuddles for a change but seems ok. Just imagine if we had tests every time we had diarrhoea!

Thanks everyone for your well wishes and the advice. I really appreciate your support when I'm worried.

:thnx:

ails
21st December 2007, 10:46 PM
Dylan looks so adoreable,i hope he gets better soon.

*Pauline*
21st December 2007, 11:29 PM
Dylan still has diarrhoea, he came in with a dirty bottom again tonight. I suppose I have to starve him again tomorrow, poor fella.

*Pauline*
22nd December 2007, 01:46 PM
Took Dylan back to the vets today. They are so nice there. They gave him tinned prescription food for a week, it's by Royal Canin. Re-hydration powder to put in his water, she said he isn't dehydrated but just in case as he's drinking a bit less and some pills to ease his intestines. He LOVED the food! She said you don't need to fast for 24hrs, a 12hr gap between meals is enough. I'm glad I got everything before they close for Christmas.

shippers
22nd December 2007, 01:52 PM
Hope Dylan is better soon :xfngr:

Nicki
22nd December 2007, 04:37 PM
So sorry to hear about this scare with Dylan - they always pick a lousy time to do it don't they? Our best effort was an anal gland abscess on Christmas Eve EEK :(

It's best to get these things checked out, you never know what is going on with the bowel and they can hide things quite well.

The stool sample should show what's going on .

Try not to worry and avoid giving him anything other than the special food, no matter how tempting.

Barbara Nixon
22nd December 2007, 05:50 PM
I was just going to say the same as Nicki. Izzy showed signs of a possible decline , the week before last Christmas, so i got him checked, just in case, but he was fine.

Karlin
22nd December 2007, 05:52 PM
My guys love that prescription food. But then they love ANY food... :rolleyes: Lily was delighted when she got to et it for a week when she had bad gastroenteritis. She always has a dicey stomach but unfortunately is also a garbage guts!! I never know what she has hoovered in before I can check it on walks. :sl*p:

*Pauline*
22nd December 2007, 06:07 PM
Thanks guys. I got to see my favourite vet today, a little Spanish lady who loves Dylan. She always explains everything and her partner is nice too, they always go into the science of the problem and I do like to know why we are following a certain course, you have probably noticed :rolleyes:

The reason a three day sample was needed was because parasites can show on alternate days, any sample is good but if you can wait, 3 days is more likely to show up something.

She said the blood is from his intestines (or somewhere else inside, I can't be sure I remembered everything) so he really is sore and we have to take measures to be gentle with his food and the pills will help him.

BarbMazz
23rd December 2007, 11:39 PM
Thanks guys. I got to see my favourite vet today, a little Spanish lady who loves Dylan. She always explains everything and her partner is nice too, they always go into the science of the problem and I do like to know why we are following a certain course, you have probably noticed :rolleyes:

The reason a three day sample was needed was because parasites can show on alternate days, any sample is good but if you can wait, 3 days is more likely to show up something.

She said the blood is from his intestines (or somewhere else inside, I can't be sure I remembered everything) so he really is sore and we have to take measures to be gentle with his food and the pills will help him.

Hasn't Dylan had this sort of problem before? Maybe I'm remembering wrong. My Bentley would have these bouts of colitis, complete with blood as you've described. His stomach would make the loudest noises, and he was obviously crampy and uncomfortable... he'd always want to eat, though! :rolleyes:

I had him to the vet quite often and all tests always came back negative. She would prescribe metronizadole and prednisone for a few days; he'd feel better and then it would happen again weeks or months later. I think he was sensitive to different foods or treats, personally.

I started giving him SeaCure powder with his food.
http://www.seacure-protein.com/products/seacure_for_pets.html

It's pricey, but BOY what a difference. It's really smelly stuff (made from whitefish) too. He loves it.

Maybe you could mention it to your vet and see what she says.
I sure hope Dylan feels better soon, poor little guy!

*Pauline*
24th December 2007, 10:48 AM
Yes he has had this problem before but not for as long. I'll mention the powder to the vet. The test results will be back after Christmas.

I don't give treats. I always read packets and have never found commercial treats without sugar salt or colourings so I don't buy them. I give kibble when training at home or tiny pieces of cheese if we are in a training class (we haven't been for weeks). He does have rawhide chews though (not at the moment, vet said nothing but prescription diet for now) and I have heard this can give diarrhoea so we need to find something different. He needs to chew, any recommendations?

MishathePooh
24th December 2007, 01:32 PM
bully sticks/pizzle sticks/flossies

Completely digestible beef "tendon" (read penis). Smells bad but great for the dogs and they love it!

Nicki
24th December 2007, 10:27 PM
There is a powder available from the vets called Pro-Enzorb.

Protexin Pro-Enzorb for Dogs is a powder containing Protexin and the enzymes Amylase and BetaGlucanase for addition to the daily food of the dog. It was devised and formulated to help reduce the use of antibiotics in chronic gut upsets and to re-colonize the gut with beneficial organisms in cases of bacterial overgrowth.

If you are insured you should be able to claim it on your insurance - ours paid out for it. It's been very effective for us.

Hope Dylan keeps well over Christmas

*Pauline*
24th December 2007, 10:33 PM
There is a powder available from the vets called Pro-Enzorb.

How long would he need to be on this please Nicki?

Dylan had his first firm poo today! It was really dark like the prescription dog food! He Loves that food. I'm to keep him on this food for 3 days after he seems ok. His spirits are up today and he has been playing fetch with me beautifully, he drops his toy in my lap!! He's such a wonderful little friend :lotsaluv: