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Lisa_T
24th February 2008, 12:02 AM
They're talking about two brothers with chiari (sp) malformation on Chicago Medical - talking about decompression surgery!

Cathryn
24th February 2008, 12:08 AM
Don't get this chanel here but sounds fascinating viewing!! (Albeit upsetting)

Lisa_T
24th February 2008, 12:18 AM
I think it's part of standard sky/freeview, Cathryn?

Karlin
24th February 2008, 01:13 AM
Oh that is interesting! I think now that a couple of well known people have been diagnosed with it it is perhaps a little better known.

Lisa_T
24th February 2008, 02:09 AM
It was interesting. It said that CM is incurable, and all that could be done was to attempt to manage the symptoms long term and give sufferers the best quality of life possible. The children also stated that for them the worst symptoms were headache and nausea... and I wondered if there's any indication that SM dogs suffer from nausea? They both had decompression surgery. I think one of the boys actually had it twice (something to do with repeating a procedure to draw away excess fluid- that's not the same as decompression is it?) because it didn't work completely the first time. The end result though was pretty good - both boys were fit enough to play outside and return to school after long term absence. I got the impression as well that their mother also has it, because someone made a comment about it being nice if all three could possibly be pain free together on the one day... and I thought that was very sad.

Hopefully someone else will have seen it and have something more useful to add!

ETA: and I've discovered a local vet with some experience. A friend of my mum's comes from a Cav mad family, and the mother noticed that their little bitch was acting oddly. After the usual round of allergy testing, the mother thought to take a video of the dog scratching and showing other SM behaviours and the vet took one look at the vid and said it was obviously SM. They didn't even go to MRI - simply started the dog immediately on the appropriate medication. Turned out the vet took it seriously because his sister or sister in law suffers from CM/SM herself.

Bet
24th February 2008, 01:05 PM
May I pose this question ,hopefully it won't give offence ,but perhaps food for thought ,

Could it not be a bit of a Red Herring the mention of Cavaliers having a Malformed Bone/CM ?

Where is the Scientific Evidence that this is a Disease in the Cavalier Breed.

Is it not possible that the Malformed Bone was caused when the Dome Shaped Skull was altered to get the Flat Shaped Skull required for the Cavalier Breed in the 1930's ,and that Cavaliers have been living normal lives since the 1930's with this type of Bone .
Was this type of Malformed Bone in Cavaliers only discovered around 1996 ,when the Veterinary Profession had access to MRI Scanning.?

No-body,Neurologists ,Vets ,Cavalier Breeders ,will ever know the answer to this ,unless those early Cavaliers were to be exhumed ,and this will never be done .

I have now spoken with a few Vets who have said ,that ,yes, it is a possibility that Cavaliers have always had had this type of Malformed Bone ,but it just can't be proved one way or the other.

Bet

Ruth
24th February 2008, 06:42 PM
I was talking to someone the other day who was wondering where the lovely domed heads of the Charlie were disappearing to.
Odd, as I was wondering where the lovely flat heads of the Cavaliers were going as well. Have to admit I am seeing more and more of the round skull on Cavaliers that is just alien to me and I wonder if it coincides with SM.

Bet
25th February 2008, 11:03 AM
Could I add this thought to my previous Post ,wondering whether Cavaliers have always had the Malformed Bone /CM since the 1930's when the alteration took place ,and have lived normal lives with it since that time .

At the moment at Edinburgh University ,the Research Team researching MVD in the Cavalier Breed have mentioned that perhaps there could be a Protein at the Heart Valve involved in the Problem .

Is it not possible that the same could be being said for the SM Problem ,that a Protein could be involved in the Brain ,this maybe could explain why other Breeds are also suffering from SM.

Bet