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rocky
14th March 2008, 09:20 PM
what is the difference between a cavalier king charles and a king charles

niki
14th March 2008, 09:27 PM
lots of people get the breeds confused and think they are one and the same, but they are very different, KCS are smaller and have very different facial features - i'm sure someone on here can post pics of both breeds.
If you type 'King Charles Spaniel' into google images you get pictures of cavvies so people can be slightly forgiven for the confusion!!!

the UK cavalier club website gives a good description and notes the differences between the two breeds

WoodHaven
14th March 2008, 09:33 PM
In the US-- I think we think of them as Cavaliers and Charlies. A CKCS is larger, longer nose, flatter skull, long tail. A Toy spaniel is smaller, short tail, more pug like nose.
Here is a king charles (toy spaniel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Charles_Spaniel

Barbara Nixon
14th March 2008, 09:34 PM
Karlin posted this link, giving information, some time ago.

http://www.cavaliertalk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2122

Cathryn
14th March 2008, 09:55 PM
:lol: I Googled "King Charles Spaniel" and the first 6 or 7 sites were for CAVALIER King Charles Spaniels!! Even the pics at the top of the list were Cavaliers!! :bang::sl*p:

Anyway here is a pic of a Black and Tan KING Charles Spaniel for you!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s17/Cathryn_017/kingcharlesspaniel.jpg

AT
14th March 2008, 11:30 PM
they actually have very little in common apart from the name

cavaliers are the more common type , they have a longer nose, flat skull & should not have freckles , they are very outgoing & love anyone & everyone. & love their food

King charles have a short upturned nose. round skull & blen & tri usually have freckles. . coats are often shorter and curlier than in cavs

tails are sometimes short but if left long they are more like a bottle brush shape than the flag we see on cavaliers
they are reserved with strangers ,stubborn & very fun loving with a fun sence of humor. they are usually one person dogs & are very loyal to their chosen person

Karlin
15th March 2008, 12:38 AM
Thanks for that experienced insight. :) That B&T is very handsome!

It doesn't help that KCs are now fairly rare and so most people in the UK and Ireland mean a CKCS when they say a King Charles -- it drives me absolutely crazy. In the US KCs are known as English Toy Spaniels so there isn't really the same level of confusion.

molly
15th March 2008, 01:52 AM
This ETS Rescue web site has some really good pictures that show the difference in the physical characteristics.

http://www.englishtoyspanielrescue.org/

I was confused about the difference in the names CKCS and KCS too when I first started being interested in cavaliers years ago. The King Charles Spaniels (or ETS) are pretty rare here in America too.

AT
15th March 2008, 09:58 AM
It doesn't help that KCs are now fairly rare and so most people in the UK and Ireland mean a CKCS when they say a King Charles -- it drives me absolutely crazy. In the US KCs are known as English Toy Spaniels so there isn't really the same level of confusion.

You should try doing charlie rescue , that would drive you crazy ,lol The amount of times we've gone to get a king charles with a definate pug nose & come back with a cavalier with the longest nose you've ever seen,lol

& everyone insists they have a charlie at home

Barbara Nixon
15th March 2008, 01:47 PM
I did a home check for Many Tears, on Wednesday (border terrier) and took Joly along. The lady, her daughter and grandaughter were all over Joly and vice versa, but her husband said King Charles didn't appeal to him and stayed aloof. (You of course, know that Joly is a cavalier).

Cathryn
15th March 2008, 03:07 PM
The word "Cavalier" was first used do differentiate the "original" type of spaniel from the King Charles type when the breed first gained seperate Kennel Club Registration back in 1945!

The number of enquiries I get for "King Charles Spaniels", "Charlie Dogs" and even "King Charles Cavaliers" :blabla: I once spent almost 20 minutes talking to a lady on the phone about Cavaliers before it became apparant that she wasn't actually after a Blenheim Cavalier Bitch Puppy, but a Black and Tan King Charles :sl*p:

I much prefer the U.S name of English Toy makes life a whole lot less confusing!!:rolleyes: