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21st March 2008, 02:17 PM
This is my first visit to the forum. Last Monday myself and my finace took home a gorgeous blenheim puppy. He's 16 weeks old. We picked him up from a lovely lady who breeds cavs occassionally. We met his Mom in the lady's kitchen and the puppy, Bobby, was bounding around the place. Since we've taken him home however he's a different dog. He seems really depressed. He's constantly whining. He doesn't want to play with his toys. He spends a lot of time asleep. He doesn't have the energy of a puppy. Does anyone know what we should do? I feel so sorry for him.
21st March 2008, 02:19 PM
Get him IMMEDIATELY to a vet... :thmbsup: A listless puppy may be very ill and they can go downhill, fatally, very fast.
If there's no medical issue -- puppies, like babies, DO sleep a lot at this age. They don't play all the time. Also, he has gone from being around his siblings and mother and is suddenly entirely alon, so that will be depressing for him until he settles into his new pattern of life. And puppies do whine -- a LOT!!! :lol:
I'd also recommend ordering one of Dr Ian Dunbar's books on puppies from Amazon as it is very useful to have a good general manual as it will answer lots of questions and make ll aspects of care easier. :)
PS If you went to a reputable show breeder, she will be there to offer advice and support for the life of your puppy. I would talk to her about this situation.
21st March 2008, 02:22 PM
Well he's eating and pooping etc. Actually the main time he gets excited is when I show him food. I've made an appointment with the vet though. Thanks.
21st March 2008, 02:25 PM
That's good! but he still should be checked if he is generally listless; that is not a good sign, so that's excellent that you've made an appointment. I'm sure some of our experienced breeder members will also offer helpful advice along with others with various puppy experiences. :) Also, your breeder should be the first port of call for advice and guidance and reassurance, too.
21st March 2008, 02:30 PM
Thanks for all your help Karlin. I will call the breeder this evening. Regarding their toilet habits, how often should he be pooping? He goes alot! And his farts are extremely smelly. :o We feed him twice a day, using the pedigree chum puppy pouches but I wonder is this agreeing with him.
21st March 2008, 02:58 PM
Did the breeder tell you what she was feeding him? He should be eating the same food for a few weeks at your house, and then gradually changed to a new food.
Oops, just noticed he's being fed twice a day. He needs to be fed 3 times a day. Normally they poop as many times as they eat. If he's pooping a lot he may be eating too big of a serving.
21st March 2008, 03:03 PM
As I remember, we offered approximately 1/3 cup of dry food for each meal when our cavs were pups. At 6 months of age they can be offered two 1/2 cup servings, morning and evening.
21st March 2008, 03:07 PM
The breeder gave us a big bag of the dry food she was using. However, he wouldn't eat it for us. That's why I bought him some wet puppy food in the supermarket and he loves this. He's pooping alot more that at each meal. I rang the vet and he said to bring him in today, so I've an appointment in an hour. He said a puppy shouldn't be listless.
21st March 2008, 03:22 PM
Many puppies find the so called puppy foods too rich. Try mixing a little chopped up cooked chicken with the food he has been used to.
21st March 2008, 03:26 PM
Oh I'm so glad the vet can fit him in today! Please let us know how it goes. These little babies always stay in my mind. :luv:
21st March 2008, 04:01 PM
I will indeed. Its great to have somewhere like this to chat and ask questions. :)
21st March 2008, 04:19 PM
Will be watching this to see what the vet says, it is usual for a pup to be a bit quiet when he first moves away from his Momma and littermates, but they generally settle into their new homes and lives VERY quickly. You are doing the right thing to take him into the vet. The Pedigree feed is quite rich for a puppy, you might like to try giving him a half and half mix of wet feed and the dry complete feed his breeder gave you, then gradually reduce the amount of the wet feed over a few days until he is totally on dry feed, this is how I wean all of my litters anyway.
Anyway, see what the vet says and also lt us know what his breeder has to say as well, very gentle :hug: for Bobby :luv:
21st March 2008, 05:28 PM
Firstly welcome to the board! icon_welcome! Do let us know how you get on at the vets. :xfngr: it's nothing serious.
21st March 2008, 06:16 PM
How is Bobby this evening? Hope he's settling into his new home. You've done the right thing seeing the vet to make sure everything is ok. What did the vet say? I agree that a small amount of wet food mixed with a premium quality dry food would be good to get Bobby interested in his dry food again.
21st March 2008, 06:27 PM
Just back from the vet. She said he has a virus. He doesn't have a temperature so she's hoping its not too serious. She gave him two shots of antibiotics. We have to bring him back in a week. However if he doesn't improve by tomorrow she said to call over the weekend. Poor pet also has conjunctivitis as well. We only have him 4 days! However on the upside, the difference in him is amazing since he got the shots. He's bounding around the place :dogwlk: Vet also gave us dry food for puppys and she said to avoid pedigree chum. Feel much happier now, but will have to watch him closely over the next few days.
The more worrying thing is his vaccinations are not up to date. We were so concerned when selecting the puppy about breeding lines and MVD etc that we didn't check the simple things such as parvo vac. He only got one shot last jan which is thus useless. The vet is quite concerned about it. So we can't take him outside until he gets well and gets his shots up to date.
She's hoping his virus isn't related.
21st March 2008, 06:28 PM
Goodness i hope its not anything more serious than his dinner not agreeing with him. In reference to pedigree chum this dog food never agreed with my Sash and she got the skitts every time she ate it! What about butchers as there is more ruffage along with biscuits to ensure pups getin enough fibre! Or perhaps ceaser dog food that was always sash's fav with a handful of biscuits mixed through? Keep us up to date hun! Where foods concerned its all about trial and error!
21st March 2008, 06:30 PM
AAAWWWW Poor lil mite bless him well at least he seems on the up! Keep us posted hun!
21st March 2008, 06:57 PM
:xfngr::xfngr::paw::paw::paw: Fingers and paws are crossed in hopes that he's on the mend.
21st March 2008, 10:53 PM
Poor little fellow. I hope he is feeing better soon.
21st March 2008, 11:04 PM
I'd be right back in contact about this with the breeder- - that is appalling. If this is an IKC registered breeder and/or a show breeder, I would contact the IKC as well and the CKCS Club secretary and complain. That is totally unacceptable.
I hate to say this but I am not sure the breeder will know much or have done much about breeding for healthy hearts if they missed out on these basics (sadly, very few Irish breeders actually follow the MVD protocol and CARDIOLOGIST certify their breeding dogs as opposed to simply going to the vet -- which isn't adequate for health hearts. I have only met a tiny handful of Irish breeders who breed for healthy hearts (oh they all SAY they do -- but 99% cannot produce a cardiologist cert for the dogs). The tiny number who DO properly heart test would be superb breeders, so I am kind of doubting this one rally has done anything and is probably jus saying things. No responsible breeder would forget something as critical as puppy vaccinations.
As per my advice to Estelle, I'd consider taking the breeder to small claims court to cover these basic costs especially if she told you puppy shots were completed.
Parvo/distmeper is very, very serious -- so do follow your vet's advice; if you are even the tiniest bit concerned about him tomorrow get him in immediately. :thmbsup: I know we'll all have fingers crossed for you. :xfngr:
21st March 2008, 11:10 PM
I hope he's feeling better soon, poor little lad
22nd March 2008, 12:58 AM
aww poor little chap makes my heart sink well at least hes getting all the help now hope he gets better soon :xfngr: :luv:
22nd March 2008, 01:03 AM
Glad to hear he is on the up at least! I would also be interested to hear what his breeder has to say, no excuse for sloppy vaccination routines at all! :mad:
22nd March 2008, 01:12 AM
Just seen this thread now...hope the little lad will be ok.
22nd March 2008, 01:46 AM
I would also be interested to hear what his breeder has to say, no excuse for sloppy vaccination routines at all! :mad:
Same here. How could this puppy's breeder knowingly do this - to the puppy and to the puppy's new family? :sl*p:
22nd March 2008, 02:47 AM
So glad you got your puppy to the vet right away. Good job on your part realizing that your puppy's behavior didn't feel right. Hoping the antibiotics clear up his virus and that he's back in good form soon.
Please keep us posted. I will be thinking about you.
22nd March 2008, 03:55 AM
Hope he gets well soon!!
22nd March 2008, 01:05 PM
Same here. How could this puppy's breeder knowingly do this - to the puppy and to the puppy's new family? :sl*p:
So true, I mean we give our children their vaccinations when they need them, why not our pets too? Prevention is better than cure eh?? Not to mention cheaper in the long run!!
23rd March 2008, 06:06 PM
Thanks for all the messages everyone. He's doing much better today but he's still not right, so I think I'll be bringing him back to the vet on Tuesday morning. We he went to the toilet this morning, i saw a few small drops of blood on the patio afterwards. My parents had a cav a few years back and aI remember him having the same issue when his anal glands became full. I guess with his upset tummy, the same has happened to bobby. He's in good form however and much more playful now.
As for the breeder, I think its partly our fault. We should have been more thorough in our questioning. Once we saw the pup, we couldn't leave him behind no matter what.
23rd March 2008, 06:24 PM
When we first brought our babies home they too were very depressed and listless for a couple of days, after a vet check and lots of cuddles they were absolutly great. We have 3, Lady a Bleinheim, Pippa a Tri and Treacle a B/T. All 3 are very naughty bundles of pooping joy!!!!;)
23rd March 2008, 07:05 PM
Bleeding can be a sign that something is seriously wrong -- it is one of the signs of parvovirus and parvo can kill in days. I would consider getting him to a vet tomorrow if you can. I would not wait until Tuesday if there's blood again in the morning. Many vet practices will have someone in on bank holidays -- mine in Dublin do (and I will be in there tomorrow with a rescue cavalier with bad eyes...). Anal glands don't ever generally cause bleeding (there's no blood in there!) unless they rupture, which is extremely painful and would need medical treatment. A puppy this young would really not have full anal glands though, so this is unlikely to be the problem -- serious worms or gastroenteritis could be the problem, but as your vet is already concerned about parvo exposure, I'd have him seen asap.
23rd March 2008, 07:10 PM
The Symptoms of Parvo
Parvovirus disease is remarkable in that symptoms can vary from none at all to a fatal disease. Four factors govern the severity of the disease: age at exposure, the size of the virus dose, the presence of maternal antibody, and the breed of dog involved.
Dogs receive transient maternal antibody from their mothers through their first milk or colostrum. This antibody gives the puppy resistance to the disease. Puppies that are housed in a parvo-filled environment rarely break with the disease until they reach 14-20 weeks of age. At that time their mother’s immunity no longer protects them and they may die of the disease.
Dogs over six month of age develop natural resistance to the effects of parvovirus. Many of these dogs show only transient diarrhea. By the time the dog reaches one or two years of age the disease can be so mild that it passes unnoticed by the owners.
For unknown reasons, Doberman Pinschers, Rottweilers and Pit Bull Terriers become more ill with this disease than other breeds.
The most common form of parvovirus infection is a sudden (acute) inflammation of the small intestine or enteritis. This is characterized by depression, vomiting, diarrhea and profound dehydration. Bloody stools and a drop in white blood cell numbers are common. Some puppies die as soon as diarrhea occurs but many linger on for 4-6 days. Those that survive eight days usually recover. The lack of white blood cells and ulceration of the lining of the small intestine lead to secondary bacterial infections. There are many other virus and bacteria that can cause bloody diarrhea in dogs. This leads to misdiagnosis where not all cases of “Parvo” in puppies and adults are actually due to this virus.
Because the puppy has no vaccination protection at this time, you want to be ultra cautious. :thmbsup:
23rd March 2008, 08:07 PM
Poor pet also has conjunctivitis as well. We only have him 4 days!
My puppy had conjunctivitis as well which appeared a few days after we brought her home.The minimum you'd expect is an immunised, IKC registered pup with a puppy pack from the breeder containing the food that the puppy was being weaned on and an advice sheet on feeding and general health.
I wouldn't feed a pup pedigree chum,for a cavalier puppy choose a premium grade puppy food(your vet or pet shop can advise), suitable for it's age.The breeder told me to add one part puppy food and three parts of water and leave the food soak and soften for about 3 or 4 hours and then feed.If the food is too rich apparently the pup may pass bloody stools(that's what I was told anyway).Usually once the puppy has fed expect it to poop shortly after so if you can't take it outdoors try placing it on newspaper until you can arrange vaccines.
I'm sure there's no absolutely one correct method to wean a puppy but as long as the puppy thrives and grows, that's the end objective.
24th March 2008, 10:40 AM
Thanks Karlin, you've scared me with that last post. There was blood in the stools this morning again and he still has diarrhea. He's in great form however and is eating and drinking. Anyways, to be on the safe side I rang the vet on call and he said to bring him to the clinic in an hour. Poor Bobby, I really hope he hasn't parvo. It sounds so horrible.
24th March 2008, 10:48 AM
We have a cav who is now 7 months, and when we first got her she had diarrhea and a little spot of blood every now and then. Needless to say, I was going out of my mind!!! For the first few days, I thought it was maybe just because the breeder had wormed her and she mentioned that her 'needs' may be a wee bit soft for a day or two. But then I became worried when it continued. I was feeding her on pedigree for two days, then after some reading changed her right away. The amount of rubbish that goes in to some dog foods is unbelievable.
We took her to the vet and they done numerous little tests.... told me to get her off of pedigree for a start... and it turned out she had colitis.
To be honest, through reading, I found that feeding raw (the BARF diet) seemed to be the best option, but I couldnt face that... so the next best thing I believe is going for either James Wellbeloved or Burns dog kibble. Both are above most other brands. I wet the kibble just a little bit, so that the outside is a little soft, but with a crunch in the middle. Holly loves it, and we have her colitis under control with it! She's not good with chicken, cheese (which we had tried as a little treat during training).... and numerous other things!
I hope your little pup is ok! :xfngr:
24th March 2008, 01:35 PM
Hope Bobby is feeling better soon - hope the vet visit went ok
24th March 2008, 02:15 PM
There's a lot of bleeding gastroenteritis going around which can also be quite serious. I had my Leo into the vet first thing this morning with it -- he had fine stools on his walk last night at 10 and by 4 am he was having liquid poops; and by 8:30 am was passing blood. The vet actually wanted to keep him in on a drip so it can get very serious very fast; always better to be safe that sorry. PS Needless to say I am pretty tired right now!
24th March 2008, 02:16 PM
Thanks for the advice Karlin - hoefully it won't get across the Irish sea in this weather.....
Hope Leo feels better soon :paw:
24th March 2008, 05:54 PM
Back from the vet again! :p. She doesn't think its parvo. She thinks its an infection. More antibiotics and we took 4 shots home with us as well to give him every second day. He's perked up again once he's had the antiobiotics. If he doesn't improve by the morning, they'll do a full blood work on him. Thanks for all the advise everybody.
24th March 2008, 10:40 PM
Glad she doesn't think it's parvo...fingers crossed for a quick recovery.
24th March 2008, 10:46 PM
Karlin I hope that Leo is on the up for you very soon :hug:
Bobby, am glad to hear the vet doesn't think it's parvo and that he has picked up again after the anti-biotics, fingers crossed for a speedy recovery :xfngr:
24th March 2008, 11:11 PM
I placed a 4 month old puppy once and he got horribly depressed , the lady was very upset and he picked up on that too. So once his infection is addressed, try to be very up and fun, don't play into his moods and coddle him too much.
25th March 2008, 07:04 AM
Well back after the weekend and reading this thread I really hope Bobby is doing better!
Qwebble was sick when we got her but I took her to the vet the day after we got her and we had to go back a few times but she turned out fine :)
Take care of your puppy, spoil it as much as you can and I'm sure she/he will be great :) (and probably hard to raise if you spoil them too much ;))
Good luck and keep us posted please :)
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