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zenkar
26th March 2008, 06:15 PM
Went to the place I got gizmo to grab him some greenies dental and they have a little ruby boy... ahhhhh I want to get him !! hes been there 5 weeks already and the price is good too.. someone help ! I must resist! :dogwlk:

ruby2
26th March 2008, 06:23 PM
I didnt know anyone was able to buy a ruby boy in a store???? I dont know much about it im afraid. Its probably different to ireland. Here we would recommend getting a pup from a breeder but as i said i don't know much about it im afraid so im not much help really. I presume if you got your other puppy from that store???????You would know best?? is gizmo a dog?? and what are greenies dental?? Im just curious?

zenkar
26th March 2008, 06:44 PM
Well my brother got his cav from ireland actually... Then one day I walked into a store ( yes we have stores that sell puppies and food, sad I know) to see the puppies when I spotted gizmo ( my cavaleir) and I took im home 1 hour later :D I went today to get some greenies dental.. http://www.greenies.com/en_US/default.aspx

Karlin
26th March 2008, 07:23 PM
Please don't buy puppies from pet shops -- this supports the very cruel practice of puppy farming (in Ireland and the UK) and puppy mills (in the US). I would never patronise a pet shop that sells puppies or kittens because they are supporting this hideous industry of mass farming dogs in small cages. :( Better yet, we should always let the management know why we will no longer shop at their store. Please read more below to see where pet shop puppies and online puppies come from. The top link relates specifically to your state. Cavaliers in particular are cruelly exploited to produce the puppies you then see in pet shops. The dogs used for breeding are sometimes rescued -- this rescue specialises in trying to get such dogs out of this life of hell: http://www.luckystarcavalierrescue.org/

More info:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/puppy_mills.html
http://stoppuppymills.org/
http://board.cavaliertalk.com/showthread.php?t=9021
http://board.cavaliertalk.com/showthread.php?t=9069

zenkar
26th March 2008, 07:33 PM
ya I understand but my wife didnt want a dog so I tricked her to going there for treats for my brothers dog.. then I showed her the cavaleir they had and thats all she wrote.. was either that or nothing...

AT
26th March 2008, 07:39 PM
impulse buys are never a good idea
we were very tempted by some american bulldog pups last week , the breeder said we could have one free because he was sick of them. one of them was a sweet little girl & we felt so sorry for her . she was living in a tiny yard with 8 others , some of them had ears missing , bite marks , eye ulcers
we could very easily have thrown her in the car & taken her home

BUT apart from not wanting or needing another dog & knowing nothing about the breed ,she had been living outside in a pack for 5 months. she was bred for money with no health tests. there was no way to be sure of her temprement or how she would turn out as an adult.
& she would grow into a large dog with the extra expense that goes with it

feeling sorry for her was not a good enough reason to take her.

if I was going to get another dog i'd either get a rescue or go to a few shows & see if there was a breeder who's dogs I liked then put my name down on a waiting list for the right pup

*Pauline*
26th March 2008, 08:32 PM
I think you should look at this diary of a dog who was rescued from a puppy farm. You will see the state of the poor dog when he was rescued. A dog like this fathered your puppy.

http://scottishlamb.typepad.com/casa_flores/

We all have choices.

You should look in the health section too about the health problems Cavaliers are prone to. Puppy farms don't care about the health of the dogs they keep or the puppies they sell. Please reconsider.

cy1266
26th March 2008, 08:37 PM
I would definitely not buy that puppy. In addition to what Karlin said about supporting the horrible practice of puppy mills, that puppy probably wasn't bred from healthy parents, so it's likely that it will have some terrible health problems. You wouldn't want to see your new dog suffer from one or several of the conditions that cavs are prone to, and it will cost a lot of money in vet visits...might as well save up for a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder who cares about the health of the dogs, and not support the cruelty of puppy mills who just care about making a quick buck and treating animals like they're disposable. Please resist the urge and don't go back!!!

JudyG
27th March 2008, 03:29 PM
AT, I hope you reported this moron to the RSPCA? I know not everyone likes the RSPCA - not a huge fan myself - but in general they do try to protect animals. I didn't even know that people could still buy puppies in a store?? It's not that common in the UK is it? I suppose that's why these dreadful puppy farms still exist!! No thought for the animal whatsoever! Makes me so cross:mad:

AT
27th March 2008, 04:54 PM
AT, I hope you reported this moron to the RSPCA? I know not everyone likes the RSPCA - not a huge fan myself - but in general they do try to protect animals. I didn't even know that people could still buy puppies in a store?? It's not that common in the UK is it? I suppose that's why these dreadful puppy farms still exist!! No thought for the animal whatsoever! Makes me so cross:mad:

He was fully expecting the rspca to turn up , think he was actually hoping for it to be honest.

He had bred two litters expecting to sell the lot & had been left with 9 pups that are quickly getting past the cute stage , costing him a fortune to feed , & were filthy & starting to fight.

I felt terrible to see them like that & we discussed wether we could take one & maybe find homes for the others ( we were involved in bullmastiff rescue until recently) but they are his responsability not ours.

In my opinion the chances of 9 people coming along who are knowledgable enough to handle that breed from that background are nil ( especially with the bad press about them at the moment)
Just giving them away to any passer by could be downright dangerous.

hbmama
27th March 2008, 06:41 PM
Zenkar, please resist the urge to buy another puppy from this store. As Karlin and the others already stated, no reputable breeder who breeds for health and temperament would EVER, EVER allow one of his puppies to be placed in a storefront for sale to just anyone. Your precious puppy would most likely have been taken from its mom prematurely and shipped to this store to fill an order.:mad: I will not go on about the horrors of puppy mills here as there are plenty of links and info elsewhere on this board.:( At this stage, I would look into buying a good pet health insurance policy on your new puppy. Also, get a thorough health check by a vet recommended by someone OTHER than the store you bought the puppy from. Good luck with your new puppy, and read up on all the great information that is to be found right here on the boards.

Nancy
27th March 2008, 07:06 PM
not only that, but many of us will not even buy supplies from stores that sell puppies and tell them why. The only way to rid the world of puppy mills is if NO ONE buys from them or anyone that supports them.

JudyG
27th March 2008, 07:32 PM
AT, don't feel bad for not taking a pup, you did the right thing! The more people get to know about these "breeders" the better, maybe they will just eventually become obscure! Judy x

zenkar
27th March 2008, 08:26 PM
yeah I did alot of reading and I see all your points.. Let me just show you what the website of the place states and the owner.. what do you all think ? I should look over my contract and get breeders info and do more research.. thanks all


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AT
27th March 2008, 08:31 PM
If you bred a litter of puppies would you be happy for them to sit in a shop for weeks then be sold to a total stranger so you had absolutely no idea were the ended up.

having just looked at some puppies on offer , most of them barely ressemble the breeds they are supposed to be never mind being pick of litter & a couple of them looked ill

chloe92us
27th March 2008, 09:03 PM
Listen, everyone makes mistakes and I'm sure you felt okay about buying your first Cav there. My first Cav came from a breeder that I am now convinced is a broker who sells Irish puppy mill dogs. You don't have to try to convince people here that you did the right thing. You love your dog, and that's that!

But please think carefully about buying another dog there. Think about ALL of those puppies there in cages, pooping all over themselves, and how difficult it can be to housetrain a dog that is used to living in it's own feces! Not to mention the fact that these dogs have little socialization and are probably not cared for well (as they usually have teenagers working in these places) and may have been abused.

The fact that none (few) of the dogs are AKC registered is proof that the dogs are NOT coming from reputable breeders. They are all ACA registered which is simply a piece of paper that means nothing. And think purely of the claim that they "hand select" each dog. There were at least 30 different breeds represented, so do you think that the shop owner could POSSIBLY have the time to hand select ALL of those puppies? He would be so busy hand selecting puppies that he would never be in the shop. It's just not possible.

It is easy to get sucked into the sweet, sad eyes of a pup sitting in a cage waiting for someone to take them home. That's what these places are banking on. They want you to feel sorry for them. It's obvious that nothing anyone on this site will say will make you change your mind, you bought your dog there and feel good about it. But just think logically about the FACTS.

It makes me sad to think about places like that because I have seen what goes on behind the scenes. He may claim to love animals, and he probably does, but his love of animals has been overshadowed by his love of money. I hope you'll stay away from that place and find a breeder locally who really DOES care about the dogs.

TillyTommy
27th March 2008, 10:09 PM
:(Just my feelings - If you look on there website and look at the massive display of photos ALL those dogs are in pretty white wooden boxes in rows and staked one on top of the other! This is how you may see mice for sale in pets shops. The dogs are in a box on their own. Maybe i missed something but I didnt see any pictures of the dogs actually being handled with humans or mixing with other dogs. The dogs were displayed like the accessories. I can understand going in to shop and looking at their eyes and falling for them but I cant understand anyone not wanting to take every one of them out of that shop either! It, in my eyes, is cruel:(

cy1266
27th March 2008, 11:11 PM
This is really sad...they're charging $2,000.00 for their Cavaliers?!? That's seems comparable to how much a reputable breeder would charge...or even more expensive...Most of the dogs look sick or scared. And they can "special order" your puppy? What does that mean, pick one up from another puppy mill??? :mad: Most of these dogs are too young to be away from their mothers...and USDA certified doesn't mean anything. I'm sure the name of this place will be removed soon, but this is so sad. Please don't buy another puppy from here...

As everyone else said, any reputable breeder would NEVER let their puppies be sold at a place like this, where all they care about is if you have a credit card to pay for your puppy. I'm sure all of the breeders on this board would agree. They want to know where their puppies are going, and are always willing to take them back if it doesn't work out for any reason. My breeder is very picky about who she sells to, and has refused to sell her puppies to many people because she wants to know that her puppies are going to the best homes possible. I don't understand why people would pay this much for a dog from a pet store (puppy mill) when they can get a great, healthy dog from a reputable breeder for the same price! :confused:

I won't even shop in stores that sell puppies - we have a few stores in Chicago like this - they charge thousands of dollars for their freakishly small, youung, sickly puppies and display them in little glass cases like accessories - it's a living animal, not a purse!:swear: I wish I could post the link but I know I can't...now I'm all worked up!

Bruce H
27th March 2008, 11:25 PM
I can assure you that no reputable breeder I know would EVER sell to a pet shop. I don't dare say anything more.

zenkar
28th March 2008, 12:49 AM
I agree its messed up that these stores are even allowed to do this :( Me and my wife fell in love with our pup and didnt think twice and took him home.. wasnt the best decision probably but at the time we werent thinking.. It seems they drop the price 100$ every week they are there.. poor things..

TillyTommy
28th March 2008, 01:03 AM
Zenkar - its about learning and education. At least now you see the bigger picture. And now you can pass on the word:) Good luck and very best wishes with your new puppy

hbmama
28th March 2008, 01:06 AM
I think the reason most of these people stay in business is because so many people are impulse buyers, get bowled over by the cuteness effect, and want their puppy NOW. All it takes is to walk through the door with a credit card and get that instant gratification....This often leads to thousands of dollars in vet bills for future hereditary problems, and deep seated temperament issues from being separated from their mothers at a very very young age. This doesn't even take into account the horrid lives the "breeding stock" are suffering to produce these cute little pups.:(:( Puppies labled as USDA choice....seems I saw that on a pound of hamburger in the market this afternoon.

This doesn't mean you love your puppy any less, just get a good insurance policy and hopefully he will be just fine in the future. However, it is good to know the dirty little secrets of the puppy farming industry so that someday storefront puppy vendors will all be put out of business.

Bruce H
28th March 2008, 02:20 AM
Good point, Marianne, about the impulse shopping. Any number of times we tell people to leave their checkbook at home when coming to our house to look at puppies. We then explain that they need to spend some time trying to look at the puppy objectively and the obligations and work of raising a puppy.

Karlin
28th March 2008, 02:30 AM
trying to look at the puppy objectively

Bruce, I'd love to see you looking at a puppy objectively... :rotfl:

But the points raised are serious. Impulse buys are what pet shops count on, and resisting any puppy, any breed is difficult -- and cavaliers are particularly cute.

The other side of the impulse buy is the older dog, often at age 1 or 2, ending up in the pound or shelter because the puppy is long grown into an adult and the uncared for puppy produced an unhousetrained adult without much self control that no one wants to take the time to look after. And puppies themselves are very, very time consuming for the first few months in particular. Delightful, but not for everyone -- which is why trying to be objective and think of the realities and not the cuteness factor is so important.

zenkar
28th March 2008, 02:58 AM
Looks like my puppy came from Lambriar Kennel in Kansas... ( A kennel that sells to stores only) and looks like they bought it from a breeder aka puppy mill? from Arkansas... wow my pup has traveled alot...

Bruce H
28th March 2008, 02:59 AM
Bruce, I'd love to see you looking at a puppy objectively... :rotfl:
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:rotfl::rotfl: Point well taken!!

arasara
28th March 2008, 03:16 AM
I wonder if Faith came from the same Arkansas kennel? Do you happen to know what city the kennel is in? ;) Faith actually made it all the way to a pet store before she was rejected for a luxating patella and an umbilical hernia. She was also stolen from her mommy at 5 weeks old and as a result (well I think this is directly related) she had no "dog skills" or people skills whatsoever. She came to my house at 10 weeks and I had issues with her growling at me inappropriately (and by that I mean she would growl if she was eating and I walked up to her). I was able to correct the problem thank goodness, but it's really sad to think about if she had ended up with someone else what the implications of her lack of socialization would have been.

zenkar
28th March 2008, 04:50 AM
I wonder if Faith came from the same Arkansas kennel? Do you happen to know what city the kennel is in? ;) Faith actually made it all the way to a pet store before she was rejected for a luxating patella and an umbilical hernia. She was also stolen from her mommy at 5 weeks old and as a result (well I think this is directly related) she had no "dog skills" or people skills whatsoever. She came to my house at 10 weeks and I had issues with her growling at me inappropriately (and by that I mean she would growl if she was eating and I walked up to her). I was able to correct the problem thank goodness, but it's really sad to think about if she had ended up with someone else what the implications of her lack of socialization would have been.

Mahaska, KS

arasara
28th March 2008, 11:00 PM
Looks like my puppy came from Lambriar Kennel in Kansas... ( A kennel that sells to stores only) and looks like they bought it from a breeder aka puppy mill? from Arkansas... wow my pup has traveled alot...

I was actually wondering about the Arkansas one? :) It's probably nothing, just wondering if it was the same as Faith's :flwr:

niki
29th March 2008, 11:19 AM
That website is quite scary, all those breeds instore or stock it just screams cruelty at you:mad:

JudyG
29th March 2008, 01:31 PM
Well Zenkar, it sounds as though your puppy has been one of the lucky ones to have found a good home with you :). I had no idea about puppy farms here in the UK until I started trawling the internet looking for a rescue dog, many rescue places here have so many discarded breeding bitches & stud dogs, it's heartbreaking! We once went to look at a Yellow Labrador who was an 8 year old, ex stud dog, it broke my heart that we could not take him, he had never lived in a home, didn't have a name - except for the one the rescue gave him - & had no idea how to walk on a lead & he was very strong! Thankfully someone did eventually give him the home he deserved!