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chloe92us
27th March 2008, 01:42 AM
I just started this as our puppy has a little too much energy and my daily walks weren't draining him. So I started running him while I ride my bike in the eves before dinner in addition to his morning walk. He seems to love it and isn't left out of breath or anything. I've just never seen anyone else doing this with a small dog, especially a cav. He is 7 months old and in perfect health, but he RUNS the entire time...and pretty fast! We go about 2-2.5 miles. Comments are appreciated!

iLikeCavs
27th March 2008, 02:21 AM
Cool idea! :D Gotta try that sometime. As long as you have a leash on your cav. I couldn't trust mine to run with me without one. Mine is 7 months to, but not with as much energy as yours! That's for sure.

Ciren
27th March 2008, 02:25 AM
there is a guy round here who does it, he owns a 3 legged staffie type. dunno what it actually is. the dog runs off lead and his tail is going all the time.

Cathy Moon
27th March 2008, 02:25 AM
I'm sorry, but I just cringe when I see people doing this. :( I would never do that with my cavs, adults or puppies. This is especially hard on a puppy's bones and joints.

Karlin
27th March 2008, 02:35 AM
Ok, here are the comments: PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!! :yikes This is too young and WAAAAAY too far to run a puppy really hard :eek: :eek: -- very hard on their joints and can lead to all sorts of permanent joint damage and future problems with hips, patellas etc. Generally you need to wait til a dog is about a year to do something with any kind of regular impact. But cavaliers are a short nosed breed and are not really the type that should be run really hard. Much better to do fetch or long walks or agility in short spurts -- leave the running to collies. Most breeders would never recommend cavaliers as jogging companions. Also this is dangerous -- very easy for 1) a small breed like this to go under your wheels 2) to go under a car's wheels. 2 to 2.5 miles is just worryingly long for a 7 month old puppy to have to RUN after a bike! I never even WALKED my young dogs more than a mile til they were over a year, on vet's firm recommendation.

If you really want a cycling companion, think about getting a collie or hard core active breed. Meanwhile please don't do this to a cavalier. Just because he will run, doesn't mean he should -- he is running to keep up with you and won't consider whether this is something he enjoys.

The idiot running a three legged staffie should be shot -- three legged animals already eventually begin to have bad arthritis problems from years of extra pressure on the single leg and most will *die younger* because of this. He is putting that dog into an earlier grave by running him on a bike. :sl*p:

Please talk to your vet and breeder on the wisdom of doing this if you are still unconvinced.

Working your dog on some fun obedience and playing fetch will do more than enough to mentally and physically exhaust him. But puppies do not need to be worn down on a daily basis just because they have energy! -- they will get plenty of exercise from a couple of short walks and from play.

chloe92us
27th March 2008, 03:30 AM
I didn't think I would get those responses! I can completely understand the fear of him running under the wheels or being hit by a car. But I will talk to my vet about problems with his joints. And I wasn't *looking* for a cycling companion...I was looking for a lap dog. I walk the dogs in the morning for about 30 minutes briskly and then they come to work with me all day and get virtually no exercise until we go home. I tried it because I thought it would be GOOD for him. I'm sure running isn't easy on people's joints either, but it IS enjoyable to some people.

I sometimes wish people on this site would not be so quick to judge. And the comment about the guy and his staffie "should be shot" i thought was innappropriate.

chloe92us
27th March 2008, 03:41 AM
I appreciate your opinions, but wish they would be less judgemental in nature. I like that everyone here cares about the welfare of these dogs we all love and I would NEVER do anything to hurt any of my animals. I'll do some research tomorrow on the subject.

BTW, the 2 miles was broken up as well. We biked (as a family) to the park which is probably a mile or so, played there for about an hour, and then biked back. So he did have a break in between the running.

Ciren
27th March 2008, 04:35 AM
Karlin may have been a bit blunt, but i would rather that than to let me going on thinking it was ok to do this. to be honest i had'nt considered the things she had mentioned. I am a blunt person myself so i can understand where she is coming from.

i doubt she thinks you are deliberately harming your fur baby she just wants you to know what is best. i for one i am glad i found this forum it has helped me massively in my search for information on my dream of owning my own dog.

in short don't be upset she isnt being nasty.

Caraline
27th March 2008, 08:22 AM
As others have already expressed concern about the puppy's joints & ligaments, no need for me to put my bib into that one.

However, what always concerns me about dogs being run beside a pushbike is that if the dog twisted its paw or slipped & fell, the rider would not be able to stop fast enough to avoid taking the poor dog for a drag.

Justine
27th March 2008, 11:21 AM
Not me.I will tell you what happened.I was riding my bike through the local park about 6 yrs ago with my Lab.Suddenly from behind i heared this deep slow bark.I turned around to see a huge Basset Hound chasing us.He then proceeded to bite the wheels of the bike and my ankles.Then he started to have ago at cracker and the lead.The faster i went the quicker he came,i could see people laughing there heads of,it must of looked so funny,i didnt think they could run that fast.anyway i dropped crackers lead thinking that was the end of that,but he kept at me ,in the end i did manage to out run him,but crasker decided that this guy was going to be his new play mate.I did find the owner and found out that the hound was a lovable rogue called dave.Moral of thre story....Dont trust Dogs called Dave.

Lynn
27th March 2008, 11:31 AM
in short don't be upset she isnt being nasty.


Chloe92us, I have to agree with Ciren, Karlin cares so much for the animals of this world...devoting so much of her life to Cavalier Rescue, running this site and another devoted to SM in cavaliers and learning all she can about Cavalier health. She is a welath of knowledge and I feel so lucky that she has this forum for us to discuss our thoughts and concerns about our dogs. Karlin seems to have an intense passion for all cavaliers and doesn't mince words when she thinks a cavie could be put in harms' way.

If you or a friend can run (I cannot) you could always jog / run short distances with him. My hubby and I would often take Molly & Max when they were about the same age as yours to a field where I would walk and my hubby would take the leashes....run ahead of me...then they'd stop & turn around to face me, I'd yell 'Molly & Max come!" and they'd run back to me. We'd repeat for 10 of 15 minutes. It turned into a wonderful game that they would love to play...got a ton of energy out and helped to teach the command 'come'.

Zippy
27th March 2008, 11:31 AM
I don't think Karlin was being harsh either, just answering what you asked.

Please note that others get upset when they see this sort of thing too, lap dogs aren't built for that kind of exercise.

All puppies are energetic but a good play a couple of times per day and a couple of walks are enough for a pup.

We have a very energetic 13 month old Ruby but she's happy with a couple of walks and she can run like the wind, out in the yard. We notice though, that by the time she and the 4 yr old Cavalier have chased one another, they stop and take a breather.

It's much safer to let them set their own boundaries for exercise....after all, they are *lap dogs*.

I'd also be very concerned about the leash getting caught up on the bike and both of you getting hurt. It's not being judgemental, it's about their exercise requirements and what's reasonable for a lap dog. :)

Justine
27th March 2008, 11:37 AM
I must admit,i wouldnt do it with Alfs,i would proberly run him over.But i only did it with my lab that once.I find you would have to do it with a larger dog and it would have to be trained.

Ciren
27th March 2008, 11:45 AM
i doubt this will improve the story but the 3 legged dog here isnt on a lead.

Justine
27th March 2008, 11:47 AM
Three legged dogs are just as good as 4 leged dogs.

Ciren
27th March 2008, 12:17 PM
Three legged dogs are just as good as 4 leged dogs.

oh i know, he is a lovely looking thing. its just the running around thats nt right.

Justine
27th March 2008, 12:21 PM
I suppose you would have to be carefull how heavy the excercising would be for a 3 legged dog though.

pippa
27th March 2008, 12:29 PM
I find a 20 to 30 minute walk in the evening and a few bursts of fetch is enough to tire mine out..that and the constant following me everywhere, including up and downstairs a few times a day and everytime I go to the bathroom!

Karlin was only trying to advise..I was appalled when I first read the post,but realise you meant no harm. I hope you will take the advice given and stop doing this now though...

chloe92us
27th March 2008, 01:19 PM
After reading everyone's posts, I will stop running Ollie with the bike. However, a brisk walk is not depleting his energy as it does with my other two older dogs. We get home and the older ones are pooped and Ollie could go another 2 miles! :) Some dogs require more exercise than others and he is one of them. Between working and entertaining a 2 YO child I thought the biking thing would be a good way to give him another bout of exercise in the evening while we're having family time since we usually bike to the park after dinner. I hear, and understand, everyone's concerns and will stop doing it- I definitely don't want to injure him in any way.

Thanks for your input.

ice-cavi
27th March 2008, 01:35 PM
Maybe you could consider going somewhere with him where you can let him run free?I do that with both my pups.They run like mad ,but at their own pace and they can rest whenever they want to. they both get 30 min of walking on leash everyday but in addition I go somewhere (most days) and let them play.I just bring my camera ,sit down somewhere in the grass and watch them play......

Cavalli CKCS
27th March 2008, 02:40 PM
Okay, not a good idea!

I am going to quote The, Late Lady Mary, "Cycling Round And Round On The Lawn Is Sure To End in Disaster of both Animal And Flower beds"

That's not the exact quote, but you get my jist!

Evan

hbmama
27th March 2008, 02:48 PM
Hi Chloe92us! I don't think anyone here means to be judgemental. They are just giving good information that you can use to make good sound decisions. Keep the questions coming. Sometimes what we do, or think of doing is proper, and other times, not such a good idea, and we have years of Cav experience on this board.

I have only had my pup a few months and have posted things that I thought were innocent fun, such as laser tag pens to run them around. I got alot of horrified responses saying that it triggered obsessive, compulsive behavior, especially in this breed. I had no idea! I am thankful I posted what I thought was a "fun little thread" and then got the what for. I tossed the thing in the trash and probably saved Dottie from a life time of trained, crazy neurosis!! For that I am thankful and will take what I can learn. Everyone wants to just get the point across what will keep your baby safe, healthy and happy.:thmbsup:

Glad you posted it, because we can all learn from the responses!! We know you love you pup! Keep the comments coming!

Cathy T
27th March 2008, 04:08 PM
I hear, and understand, everyone's concerns and will stop doing it- I definitely don't want to injure him in any way.

I'm so glad to hear this!! I know you posted in a fun way and didn't expect the comments you got. My first thought was that I would be afraid of running over the dog....didn't even think about the wear and tear on little joints at that age. I'm glad you got some other suggestions of ways to exercise your puppy.

I'm just so relieved you didn't go away mad and learned something in the process. I'm betting a lot of people did too....me included.

simonrickell
27th March 2008, 07:48 PM
I hope that you get some useful information from other sources - such as your vet and other internet resources - and would be happy to hear from your findings.

I agree that many are quick to judge here; but remember this is a small set of contributors and should not be dictating how you deal with some of life's challenges.

Some of the opinions that I have on the welfare of my dogs are found to be against the "forum" way.

Whatever other people report - there is always the other opinion that may be backed by a similar number of supporters.

In the end - if you think you should - then do; if not - don't.

chloe92us
27th March 2008, 08:21 PM
I thought I would post that I spoke to my vet today about biking and/or jogging with Ollie and he said it was probably not a good idea either way but that I could run short distances or walk him briskly. So for others who were thinking that sounded like a good idea, it wasn't!

So, a bad judgement call on my part has been confirmed by all. I wasn't 100% sure that I was doing the right thing, or I wouldn't have posted in the first place. But I think we all need to monitor how our posts *sound* to the person posted to prior to pushing "submit". This site is supposed to be one of support, not making people feel like an idiot.

Thanks all.

pippa
27th March 2008, 09:29 PM
I'm sure no one meant for you to feel like an idiot..I hope I didn't..if I did then sorry..we all make bad judgements from time to time..It doesn't make us idiotic or stupid it means we are human.Take care and please keep posting!

Lisa_T
27th March 2008, 11:33 PM
If he's not tired, maybe he's simply too bright? Apparently 15 mins of brain activity will tire a dog faster than a several hour long walk, so maybe you could get some treats/part of his kibble ration and turn it into a little obstacle course of sorts (no jumping) at home? You know, like a treasure hunt, where the dog has to try and work out where the treats are. That might help and it won't hurt in any way. Toilet rolls, treat balls, upside down cups... getting the pup to stay while you 'hide' and treat and then telling it to find it... good for training too and I find Amber loves it.

Melissa
28th March 2008, 03:35 AM
Maybe to work with him maybe do some basic training... my 1 year old cavy gets so tired after his one hour class it's not even funny.

Lynn
28th March 2008, 12:01 PM
I'm sure no one meant for you to feel like an idiot..I hope I didn't..if I did then sorry..we all make bad judgements from time to time..It doesn't make us idiotic or stupid it means we are human.Take care and please keep posting!

I agree 100%. We all make mistakes or just simply are unaware. It's easier to look at a situation from far away and pass jusdgement when you aren't involved in the middle of it...or so I have found. (Isn't that what people call 'armchair quarterbacks'?? People that scream at a sports game on tv ....) Plus, when we read what someone has typed it is easy to change in our mind what the original tone or intent was. :)

Jen
28th March 2008, 03:03 PM
Maybe to work with him maybe do some basic training... my 1 year old cavy gets so tired after his one hour class it's not even funny.

Exactly. We're firm believers that mental stimulation wears them out more so than anything physical; it's always worked in our house. They're both much more behaved and satisfied if we're spending time working with them.

Nicki
28th March 2008, 07:12 PM
Sorry coming in late to this discussion - we all do things that later we realise may not have been in the dog's best interests, but we learn and by sharing, others may avoid the same mistakes.

I did know a Cavalier some years back who had been returned to the breeder - he had bad arthritis and had been run hard behind a bicycle as a youngster. It really affected his later life.

Cavaliers do need both physical and mental stimulation - some of them are very bright and really benefit from learning tricks and tasks. Cruz is currently learning to bring my slippers {one at a time, and usually because he's run off with it in the first place LOL}, but he really enjoys it and loves the praise for bringing it to me.

With exercise, the more exercise a dog gets the fitter it becomes and it then tends to demand even more...something to bear in mind.