View Full Version : Dog Breeders have lives too!!

13th April 2008, 02:11 PM
Right OK I am absolutely, totally fuming right now!! :swear:

The story goes like this, last Monday I have a phone call about an older puppy I have available (This is NOT an advert by the way!) I discuss the puppy with the lady for some time, ask her as many questions as she asks me, she gives me her home and mobile :blabla: numbers and arranges to call me Saturday to confirm she is coming on Sunday.

Last night she calls to confirm that YES she will be here, she is bringing her friend along who is interested in the second puppy I have available too! All fine, see you at 11!

I am up with the lark this morning, hastily cleaning around, yelling at the kids to keep the place tidy and to stay in their rooms. The dogs go unwalked, my Mum comes over to help out with the boys whilst these people are here.

11a.m no-one arrives, that's OK you can't control the traffic, 11:30 then 11:45 then midday!! I start getting worried that they may have been in an accident, held up in roadworks or got lost, so I call her mobile, it just rings and rings.
12:15 I call her home, no answer, 12:45 call her mobile, can't be put through comes the message, so I call her at home again and leave a message expressing my concern, 1:00, 1:15, 1:30 I am very worried by now so call her mobile again, cannot be put through, try again off my mobile same message, it is now 2:00pm she obviously isn't coming and I am about to take my poor Mum back home again.

What really gets me is that we gave up a trip out today to accommodate this lady, my Mum gave up her own time to come over and help me out, she could have had other things she wanted to do as well.

I accept that people change their minds and don't go to view puppies but surely to goodness it isn't that difficult to call the breeder and tell them they cannot make it, or that they have changed their minds??? That way we can get on with our day to day lives, our dogs can go for their long week-end walks instead of missing out, our kids can go to the park rather than spend the day trying (and failing :lol:) to keep the house tidy!!

I genuinely hope that nothing has happened to this lady and her friend, but surely to goodness one quick phonecall isn't that difficult??

13th April 2008, 02:33 PM
How annoying that they confirmed and then didn't even give you the courtesy of a phone call when they changed their mind.

I hope they didn't get in an accident. Maybe it is for the best anyway ... it tells you a little something about them, doesn't it? If they aren't responsible enough to give you the courtesy of a phone call, I wonder how well they'd do taking care of a puppy ...?

13th April 2008, 02:37 PM
How frustrating for you. A simple call and "We have changed our minds" or "Can we reschedule" would have made all the difference!!

13th April 2008, 02:56 PM
Oh Cathryn-- that is frustrating.

I had a couple late for a meeting at our house to see a pup. I gave them VERY easy directions--they called a half hour late. They'd been in a fender bender 5 miles north of where I live (they were coming from the south and didn't follow my directions and were lost). THEY decided it was an act of G*d and they figured they shouldn't get a pup. I decided if they couldn't follow easy directions-- IT MUST BE a sign.

Placing the dogs/pups is the hardest part. I have had the most gorgeous pup to home for the last 6 weeks- he is a blenheim (AND IS NOW PLACED) and his sister is a tri. Everyone who saw the tri wanted her. He is by far the better pet and she is staying here. No calls for a couple of weeks, then you get people who are on the fence about getting a dog, or spending that much money in this economy. Since we chose a home for him, I've had 4 calls in the last 5 days wanting pups. This time of year (Mid April to May) I will be inundated with puppy calls.

13th April 2008, 04:21 PM
How annoying that they confirmed and then didn't even give you the courtesy of a phone call when they changed their mind.

I hope they didn't get in an accident. Maybe it is for the best anyway ... it tells you a little something about them, doesn't it? If they aren't responsible enough to give you the courtesy of a phone call, I wonder how well they'd do taking care of a puppy ...?

I think that is so true. I hope they havent been in an accident. But if they are not nice enough to care about a person how could they care for a dog. They are very selfish.....

Next time don't bother with the house...It's the dog they come to see. When i went to see ruby as a puppy. I was brought in the back door into the utility and saw the mother and father of ruby and had lovely chat etc...in the utility!!!!!! I did'nt mind. The house was massive but i went to see the pup......

Let them take you as you are or not at all......:)

13th April 2008, 05:02 PM
I hope they have a good excuse, but besides someone being seriously ill or held hostage....what excuse is there?

It seems to me that people of this world are becoming more and more self centered...such a shame.

13th April 2008, 05:06 PM
The last thing that a cavalier pup needs is an unreliable owner.I'm sure you'll find someone else who'll show more committment than that.I always believe you can judge a person's character by their manners, a simple phone call is a simple enough thing to make.
The words time and waster spring to mind...

13th April 2008, 05:09 PM
How frustrating and how rude of them. I know you're a big softy though so don't believe any old excuse when/if they call you ok? ;)

13th April 2008, 05:16 PM
That is really not on. It wouldn't take a minute to phone you.... its doesnt cost anything to be considerate. I mean shes had more than enough time to get in touch if she had a change of heart, even if there was a problem she could have phoned you. IMHO I wouldnt place a puppy with them. :)

13th April 2008, 05:44 PM
THEY decided it was an act of G*d and they figured they shouldn't get a pup. I decided if they couldn't follow easy directions-- IT MUST BE a sign.

:lol: I agree.

Rudeness is rudeness -- if you aren't going to make an appointment, then cancel or explain the delay.

That said I am always late going to homechecks -- but usually because I get lost and always forget the next time to allow for this. :rolleyes: The fact that there are almost no street signs or direction signs on Irish roads or in towns doesn't help. :sl*p:

13th April 2008, 06:24 PM
God forbid anything happened to them- chances are they couldnt be bothered to ring though. Its more and more common these days, lack of courtesy! It is a major bug bear! People just dont consider the feelings of others any more!

13th April 2008, 06:28 PM
My mum breeds another breed and the number of times this has happened to them is unbelievable. Like you she feels if they cannot be bothered to turn up or let her know they cannot make it then she cannot be 'bothered' to let them have one of her precious puppies!!

13th April 2008, 08:09 PM

Hi all!

Thanks for the messages, what makes it worse it that she claims to be a vet nurse and wanted the puppy for agility (for which he would be ideal!)

I rang her home number again and got her "Other Half" who said she had just "popped out" :confused: He DID NOT seem to know what I was on about when I mentioned she had arranged to come and view the dog, just said he had been at work today?? (Now surely she'd have mentioned a puppy viewing??)

I am deeply concerned about this woman, I do know for a fact that there are some (incredibly sad) people out there who spend their week-ends travelling around looking at puppies with NO INTENTION of buying one as a "hobby" :swear:

I have rung the puppy register Co-Ordinator with whom the pups are registered to warn him about her, from what I was told another breeder saw her this morning but refused to sell to her when it appeared her "other half" did not seem to realise she was actually intending to buy a puppy!! :eek:

For those breeders of you out there who "lurk" (You Know Who You Are!!) This lady is called Ruth, is from the North-Hampton Area and freely gives out her home and mobile numbers which I will happily give you if you PM me!!
Her story to me was that she lost her B/T last year and said no more but now really wants one again, she has half a dozen Cavaliers already and does agility with them, she prefers small Cavaliers and can get all veterinary work done for free as a job related "perk" :eek:
I also mentioned a Ruby I had too, she told me her "friend" was coming with her and was interested in him also for agility but that she wanted a litter by him. I told her we would discuss this when they got here as they both have endorsed registrations (Probably what put her off!)

At the end of the day I have had a wasted day, but my precious babies have had a very lucky escape!!!

Thanks for your support guys, NO WAY is she getting one of my babies, but I would like an apology from her for a totally wasted day :swear:

Brian M
13th April 2008, 08:28 PM
Bloody rude ,lucky escape for both you and the pups ,somebody upstairs was watching over you not those other people.:)

13th April 2008, 08:41 PM
Oh goodness Cathryn I'm sorry they messed you about but does sound like it was for the best..not the sort of people you'd want to ahve a puppy anyway.

13th April 2008, 08:43 PM
You may have saved a Cavalier by letting the other breeders know about her...so perhaps your day was not wasted at all. :flwr:

13th April 2008, 08:44 PM
Unreliable and selfish people really make me furious :mad:. At least you know what these women are like and your babies have had a lucky escape. I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to breed from them but their registations being endorsed has put her off. I'm so glad your babies have been protected and they didn't end up with these women. They'll get the homes they deserve I'm sure.

13th April 2008, 09:53 PM
phew Cathryn, that sounds like a near miss for your pups. Shame yours and your family's day was spoilt by them though :(.

You know, it never occurred to me how difficult it must be to try and ensure your puppies go to a genuine home.

From a rescue perspective, I know how hard it is to find the ideal home for a dog, but rescue dogs are generally neutered, so that weeds some of the not so genuine folk :(.

I've heard of people spending their weekends looking round show-homes, or properties for sale, or tyre-kicking on used car forecourts, but I'm shocked that there are people sad enough to go looking at pups for no reason too :(.

14th April 2008, 01:59 AM
Cathryn, you must also be very careful about everyone you invite in to see your pups. There was a robbery in north Orange County (California) this past year where two men came to a home under the guise of purchasing a yorkie pup. The men held the family at gunpoint and bagged all the puppies! Fortunately, it was big news and the puppies were recovered and the suspects jailed when they tried to sell the pups. Most people are sincere but some have other motives. Glad you have spread the word about this unscrupulous lady, something is definately fishy with her story!

Cathy T
14th April 2008, 03:44 PM
Have you still not heard from them??!! That's just downright rude unless they have a really good excuse.

14th April 2008, 04:06 PM
I am becoming a bit paranoid when it comes to people wanting to visit or asking if I'll be home. I used to have people visit all the time -- see what cavaliers should look like, how they should be kept etc.... I've had to stop doing hands on education due to the worry of burglary etc... If they want to meet -- I am trying to do it at shows or cavalier meetings.

Three Sundays ago I changed my plans for a puppy buyer to come over-- she came alone, spent an hour and a half, she was thrilled with the puppy, she said she'd bring her husband on Tuesday and I never heard from her again.

14th April 2008, 09:55 PM
Hmm, I rang the puppy co-ordinator again today and got the number of the other puppy buyer she had also visited, called and was told that she was a thoroughly likeable and seemingly honest type of person, UNTIL she said she intended to actually buy the puppy! Her "partner" went hysterical!!

"What do you mean you want to buy it? We only ever look, we never buy, we breed our own or your mate down the road gets us one out of the freebie papers! We are not spending that much money on a fancy show breeder puppy!"

To which she replies

"But if we buy him and mate him to our bitches it will make them more saleable, plus we WON'T have to go to the Midlands to the other breeder (ME!!) tomorrow!" :yikes:

BTW the breeder in question was out of the room making coffee when she overheard this!! :yikes: She promptly refused to sell to them and said that she would notify the "other breeder"!!

Sort of explains things eh??

Misty, you would be amazed how many times I have had folks turn up to view pups who could not make up their minds at the time and went away to "Think about it" :lol: 7 years on and one couple still haven't called me back! :lol: It is annoying and frustrating, and like Sandy I am getting more and more paranoid the longer I am a breeder, my children are not allowed to talk about new litters at school, I never admit to how many dogs I have or what my breeding plans are for the year, I think the longer you are at this the more paranoid/protective you do become, after all you have put so much into these wonderful dogs over the years and it can take just one careless placing of a puppy for it all to be undone!

14th April 2008, 10:03 PM
Im lost for words!

14th April 2008, 10:13 PM
Cathryn, that's so horrible! Thank god they didn't get their greedy hands on one of your precious pups! I completely understand why our breeder (and all good breeders) are so particular about where their puppies are placed...there are some bad people out there :mad:

15th April 2008, 12:19 AM
You must be so glad your puppies escaped their clutches. Someone up above was looking out and protecting them.

15th April 2008, 09:34 AM
Cathryn i think ur furry babies got a great escape!! I just don't understand some people!!

15th April 2008, 08:32 PM
I had a lady who was great on paper, nice on the phone, really wanted my boy(didn't have a girl) but I wasn't allowing visitors until they were 6 weeks old. I turned away other people for him. Then I found out she was busy looking for a girl instead from other breeders. She tried to make an appointment to see him and I told her the price was $200 more than originally. She said why, and I said because of her behavior and I was selling them higher now. She got very upset and said she would definately buy him at the lower price , I refused. She drove 2 hours to come and see him and her car acted up on the way so she may have had to stay overnight or make repair arrangements. oh well. He was the perfect puppy during that visit, but she wasn't sure if he was "the one." About a month or so later I get an application for a rescue, she didn't realize I was rescue contact. Wasn't she surprised when I wrote her back and told her we had none which was the truth:)

15th April 2008, 08:39 PM
Glad your baby didn't go to that person Cathryn, you wouldnt have rested. The right home is out there waiting full of love by pe'ople who really want him.:)

Brian M
15th April 2008, 09:28 PM
Hi Cathryn
Been following your story with great interest and think i even posted some quick thoughts but what i would like to say is that with what i have read in the past you always do all the necessary puppy checks for health and of course you have all the papers needed so i can promise sometime in the future as of yet dont know when would you kindly consider selling me one of your pups as after reading all the write ups about you i know that you are the type of person people should be knocking doors down to obtain a pup from .So i promise sometime in the future you will hear from me then i hope i meet and exceed the type of person you think fit and good enough to be honoured to buy one of your super pups .

Kind Regards

& Best Wishes

Brian Murtagh
PLus Poppy Daisy & Rosie:)

18th April 2008, 09:45 AM
Cathryn, I've just caught up on this topic - not had much time to post recently.

I'm absolutely appauled!! Plus, I was completely unaware that people made visiting pups a 'hobby'..... absolutely shocking!!!

I am so glad this other breeder over heard her on the phone... it certainly explains a lot and is great if it means her name can be circulated amongst other breeders. I'm just gobsmacked at all of this to be honest! I cant even imagine how difficult it is for you regardless of these timewasters!!!


18th April 2008, 10:14 AM
Reading this thread has made me think a bit about Sparky's breeder - she didn't ask us any questions at all (she did see our other dog who we had brought with us) & she also didn't even take any of my details so apart from me telling her we were from Dublin (she was in County Wexford) thats all she knows about me.

18th April 2008, 10:42 AM
i know how you feel i didn't do my homework on buying my puppy but i have learned so much on the site i will be more prepared next time but saying that i feel i will have problems with vegas in the future but would'nt change him for the world i feel blessed to have himcavtiny

18th April 2008, 12:08 PM
I feel the same way. I'm actually embarrassed how little homework we did when buying Bobby. But I wouldn't change him for the world. I still remember the breeders response when I asked her how she knew if her pups were going to good homes. She said, "When someone is paying big money to buy a dog, they will be good owners". What a load of rubbish!

18th April 2008, 12:22 PM
I have just read this logn story for the first and I am absolutely amazed at how some people behave!!

I'm so glad your pups didnt end up with her

18th April 2008, 01:57 PM
Sounds like your pup had a very lucky escape, I cant believe that people behave like that.

18th April 2008, 02:51 PM
Cathryn, you must also be very careful about everyone you invite in to see your pups.

A couple of years ago there was a woman in Mo. who was a jack russell breeder. She had communicated for quite some time with a woman who was interested in a puppy. The breeder was pregnant and the person interested in the puppy stated she was, too. They communicated for 2-3 months and then the buyer asked to come and see her puppies. The breeder was due to deliver in a week. The buyer showed up, killed the breeder and proceeded to "remove" her baby and took it for her own. An Amber Alert was issued and they found the woman and the baby with her husband and family. She had told her husband she was pregnant, was shopping, went into labor and had "gone to the closest clinic and gave birth." Here's a link to the story. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/01/baby.snatched.ap/index.html The woman was just sentenced a couple of weeks ago. Very, very disturbing and sad story.

Peg in Iowa

18th April 2008, 03:16 PM
Oh that is just terrifying - what an awful story :(

Cleo's Person
18th April 2008, 05:37 PM
OMG :eek: :eek:

18th April 2008, 06:44 PM
That happened 4 years ago, how slow is the American justice system? :eek:

18th April 2008, 06:48 PM
What a horrific story - there are some truly evil people in this world... Gives me the shivers

18th April 2008, 06:52 PM
That happened 4 years ago, how slow is the American justice system? :eek:
She was actually convicted prior, this month was her sentencing. Yes, it is very, very slow here. I believe she was incarcerated during the whole time. Although, if a judge decides to set a bail, one can be free for quite sometime before serving their sentence. SLOW IT IS.

Cavalli CKCS
18th April 2008, 10:41 PM
My first thought when I read the title was "No we don't!!!"

Sorry for your troubles.


19th April 2008, 11:26 AM
I remember that story too, incredibly sad indeed.

I make a point of NEVER showing puppies to any-one on my own, at the very least my OH is here and if at all possible I also have my Mum here to keep the kids upstairs whilst the prospective buyers are here.

It would be very easy for a couple to just grab a puppy each and make a run for it if I was in the kitchen making them a drink for example!! I am NOT saying that folks who come to view intend to steal a puppy, BUT you hear of so many stories these days of puppies being stolen to order :yikes: I also rarely talk about how many dogs, puppies etc I have especially on the school run as you quite simply do not know who may be listening, Golly I feel so paranoid reading this back, but when you have put so much time and effort into these babies you tend to guard them jealously! :lol: