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Louise1823
24th April 2008, 01:24 PM
Hi,
I know many of you on the board have lots of furbabies - and I can only assume that you have houses and gardens large enough to house them all!
My question is, for those of us who have 'standard size' houses and gardens - is it fair to have more than one or two cavaliers?
The most I have ever had in the house is 2 - and we never found space to be an issue. As I live very close to at least 3/4 local parks, places to go for exercise on a daily basis was never an issue, and they always had free run of the house once potty trained.
To be honest I would love 10 :), but I would need to rob a bank to be able to afford a property in Ireland that would comfortably house this many!!
It would be great to hear what opinions people have on this..
Louise

Louise1823
24th April 2008, 01:26 PM
ooops - sorry, double post. Maybe everyone could use the one above? Sorry!!

Daisy's Mom
24th April 2008, 01:38 PM
I don't know how many is enough for the average owner, but I definitely think 2 would be the best number for me. It's a manageable number of dogs in terms of handling on walks and traveling, and both dogs then have doggy company, so I think that's the optimal number for me. Plus I grew up with always 2 dogs in our household at once. They loved each other and they loved us.

I dearly want to get a 2nd Cavalier this summer (hopefully another Blenheim, and hopefully a rescue), but it's tough to convince my husband. He thinks about twice the vet bills, twice the boarding bills, twice the dog hair, and twice the poop. All I think about it twice the love and fun! :)

Sue.k
24th April 2008, 01:43 PM
I would say two also, at least that way you could give them they love and attention they need :)

Karlin
24th April 2008, 01:45 PM
I do not think having a garden is an issue. As a matter of fact, I am actually happier to home to someone without a garden many times because I know the dog will be walked, not just shoved out in the garden for some understimulating exercise. Dogs need to get out and about. Some of the best cared for dogs are definitely those with city dwellers in apartments, not in the suburbs!!

I think the maximum is the number that can be managed where each dog gets adequate individual attention. Some can manage many and some will find one to be enough. I live in a two up two down and have four dogs and four cats, all indoor animals and I have only a tiny side yard on my house. After their breakfast the cats disperse and you'd probably not know there was more than one, as a visitor. All four dogs easily will go on one chair or sofa while I work -- not very space consuming. They are walked four times a day, for exercise and to relieve themselves. I don't find this number difficult to manage, but some definitely would.

Louise1823
24th April 2008, 01:56 PM
Thats great to hear Karlin - Im am living in a 3 bed semi, with a large'ish' extension to the back on the ground floor. This is where the dogs love to lounge around and sunbathe on the sofa!
Because of the extension, we had to give up some of our garden space, and this is what was holding me back from getting a third dog as I thought it might be cruel. The remaining garden is well big enough for them to have a good sized designated potty area, and also they have room to run and chase around the garden furniture! With all the nearby parks, they get a good walk in each day too in a varied environment.
My Mums two daschunds often come to visit (and we mind them when my Mum goes on holidays), and even with the four of them running around the house - I still find it manageable - although I think that would be my max!

sins
24th April 2008, 02:10 PM
If you have smallish cavaliers,it shouldn't be a problem to keep up to three.I'm considering adding another one as I have a good amount of garden space,but it would mean two cavaliers,one lap,two sets of insurance,vet's bills,double poop scooping,double food bills and most of all...double vigilance.
For me, it's the double poop scooping,keeping the garden poop free and the need to be extra vigilant with two cavaliers that really has to be taken into consideration.
Sins

CavyMom
24th April 2008, 04:13 PM
I have a slightly larger then average yard I guess - I have about an acre all together, with a small to average sized 3 bedroom house. Right now I share my house with 8 dogs - 7 Italian Greyhounds and my 1 cavalier, 3 of which are rescues that I'm currently working towards finding permenant homes for, so 5 of the dogs are my own, and honestly - The house feels empty! I usually have anywhere from 7 to 12 dogs in my house at any given time when I'm doing rescue, and where I work from home, I'm able to still give them all plenty of one-on-one attention and training, and I take the whole pack for at least one walk a day, if not two (and if they're REALLY lucky, we might get in 3, but with the heat in Vegas during the day right now, three isn't usually possible). When there's more then about 8 dogs, I walk them in 2 groups.

Ashley
24th April 2008, 04:17 PM
I do not think having a garden is an issue. As a matter of fact, I am actually happier to home to someone without a garden many times because I know the dog will be walked, not just shoved out in the garden for some understimulating exercise. Dogs need to get out and about. Some of the best cared for dogs are definitely those with city dwellers in apartments, not in the suburbs!!

So glad you said this. When I was looking into rescuing a dog, many didnt seem happy that I am in an appartment and dont have a garden... but right near by are lovely rural areas for walking, just right outside is a big park. My point was the same as yours.... having a dog and no garden means I cant just plonk them out the door for a quick pee. We go out on decent walks every day, since i need to get dressed and ready to go outside anyway - might as well make it a good wee/long walk.

We are looking to get a second cavalier this summer also, and I think that would be a nice amount. I too, think of double the love and company, and also a playmate for Holly.... but also think about the vet bills etc. If I had lots of money, and a big house... i'd have a lot more than two though lol. One can only dream!!! :D

ruby2
24th April 2008, 04:21 PM
I have only one dog ruby. I live in a five bedroom house and a large garden but i dont think the garden is terribly important. As karlin has said in the past king charles are really house dogs. Ruby is inside mostly except when she goes out to do her business. Or she will go out when the children are playing out the back.
Or when my husband goes out to play hurling with her.....yes with the dog. He has about 30 soft balls out the back garden and he hits the balls and ruby brings them back to him.
I prefer to bring her out for a walk and let her see the world instead of in the back garden.

I am at home with her everyday so she is spoilt rotten.
I have been contemplating getting another dog, but i'll have to see and think strongly about it. Ruby has great attention as it is and i don't want to get a second and then not give the proper attention to one.

WoodHaven
24th April 2008, 04:27 PM
I live in a multi dog household. My dogs seem to get a lot out of living with other dogs. The group I have now get along beautifully. I had one bitch that was demanding and she would hoard toys etc... I've since moved her to her co-owners home and it is like magic. peace reigns -- my point is that the number of dogs you can handle can be determined by how well everyone gets along.

ruby2
24th April 2008, 04:30 PM
yes sandy im sure they would love the company of each other. Thats the other side of it. They would have great fun. Two or three together. Isnt there a man on this board with eight cavaliers or am i wrong??:paw::paw::paw::paw::paw::paw::paw::paw:

Eeva
24th April 2008, 05:08 PM
We have two dogs (hoping to get a third - a rescue!) and live in the town centre but only a couple of minutes away from a very large park. Our garden is small, paved and on many levels, but the dogs seem to like that too. I take them to the park twice a day for an hour's walk, I think we're doing just fine :dogwlk:

WoodHaven
24th April 2008, 05:19 PM
yes sandy im sure they would love the company of each other. Thats the other side of it. They would have great fun. Two or three together. Isnt there a man on this board with eight cavaliers or am i wrong??:paw::paw::paw::paw::paw::paw::paw::paw:

If your talking about Bruce-- he has stated that he has 14

ruby2
24th April 2008, 05:22 PM
I think you really have to be a dog lover....I mean a real dog lover to have more than one dog....If you know what i mean.

The main thing i suppose is the love a dog gets and they will be happy with steps as you said or no garden. They wont mind. I had my dog at the school today and a little boy raised his leg to kick my dog. His mother said ah mind the dog.....and im afraid i said.....DONT YOU DARE KICK MY DOG!! And he wasnt young....He was 8 or 9. I think thats very sad to feel that way about an animal...... What way would he be with humans???:confused:

Then again i would like to kick some humans!!!! hee hee sorry....:rolleyes:

ruby2
24th April 2008, 05:23 PM
If your talking about Bruce-- he has stated that he has 14

Thats it i think. Bruce. The puppies are in a picture in a bath i think.

My god thats some amount of dogs...

Bruce do you have a 16 bedroom house???????;)

WoodHaven
24th April 2008, 05:33 PM
LOL-- these are cavaliers, not mastiffs-rotf. /thoooo-- Bruce is an architect (If I remember right).

ruby2
24th April 2008, 05:46 PM
LOL-- these are cavaliers, not mastiffs-rotf. /thoooo-- Bruce is an architect (If I remember right).

What does that mean??? Sorry not with you???

Not mastiffs-rotf.?????

Melissa
24th April 2008, 06:35 PM
I think she means that they don't take up that much space. rofl= roll on floor laughing.

I currently live in a 2 bedroom about 1,000 square foot apartment with one dog, 2 cats, and don't forget the husband. We do have a fenced in dog area at the back of the lot but what's even better where we live is that they turned the old rail road tracks behind the buildings into a paved trail for walking, biking, roller blading. If the land lord and my husband would let me I would get at least one more dog maybe two if we could afford it.

Bruce H
24th April 2008, 06:58 PM
Are you guys talking about me again? :lol::lol:

Yes, we have a LOT (14) of dogs. And they are all in the house with us! Our whole life revolves around the dogs, as you can imagine. Literally everything we do is planned around the dogs. If one of us goes somewhere for the weekend, the other has to stay home. In fact, we have not had a vacation together, without the dogs, for at least 6 or 7 years.

As an example of how we have to plan things: This summer we are going to my parents house for a 3 day weekend to celebrate their 60th anniversary and our 25th. We can't get anyone to watch all those dogs, so we are renting an RV and taking them all with. They'll ride in their crates. We'll bring 3 x-pens that we can connect together and set outside so they can pee and poop and not be cooped up inside. We will be very busy with the dogs that weekend. And the answer to everyone's question is: "Yes, my whole family thinks we have lost our mind." :lol:

For exercise, we have a large fenced back yard. They spend a lot of time playing with each other, but their favorite thing is playing fetch off the deck. We just stand on the deck and throw a balls, the dogs go en masse at a dead run down the stairs and out into the back yard, one lucky dog finds the ball, then they all go en masse back up the stairs, following the one that got the ball. Then it starts all over again. I think they would do this till they collapsed if we let them!

For sleeping arrangements, there are 4 at a time that sleep with us at any given time. The rest sleep in their own crate in our dog room/grooming room. During the day, they are all in the house with us. There is nothing more relaxing that to be sitting on my recliner surrounded by dogs. I can get as many as 6 or 7 with me when I have the footrest out! Amazing how the dogs will stack on top of one another without so much as a yip.

So what was this thread about? How many is enough? I'm not sure :lpy:! I really think it depends on each persons situation. Kris doesn't work, or should I say she doesn't work a regular job; these dogs are a LOT of work. It would be impossible to have all our dogs if she worked outside the home.

ruby2
24th April 2008, 07:41 PM
bruce. I think your house sounds brilliant and you are defo a real dog lover !!!!!!

It sounds great the way they run for the ball and chase each other. Have you any up to date photo's.


The question i want to ask you is...............

Are you going to get any more and how did you get so many? Is there a story behind it all, did you get them as puppies or rescues? Im just curious if im not being nosey????icon_nwunsure

And yes we were talking about you again!! And i started it !! hee heecl*p

cavi lover
24th April 2008, 09:01 PM
Well I have a cavi gang of 4 and foster so usually have 5 dogs. I live in a small house with a smallish garden but right next to a lovely park and only 5 mins in the car to the wonderful Peak District.

All my dogs get along fine and are really no trouble at all.I spend alot of time with them and have only recently stopped working part time.I also have a disabled daughter and am a lone parent. So life is busy busy busy but that is how I like it!

Each of my dogs has a working role. Tim does agility, Ellie P.A.T dog Henry starting heel work and Esther the stay at home scared rescue girl. So they are kept busy too so they seem to keep out of mischief.

Louise1823
24th April 2008, 09:08 PM
Bruce - your house sounds hilarious, and just so much fun! I would pay to see them chase each other from upstairs down, and back again :D
Surely one of the Networks would pay you to film a series?? I can see it now - '14 Dogs and Counting' :rotfl:You could get some serious ratings Im sure!

Anyway - after listening to your story, Im convinced that we would have no problems fitting another one or two into our home!!

WoodHaven
24th April 2008, 09:10 PM
Two isn't much more work than one, three is just a tad more than two, four is almost exactly like 3, five is more action and more fun than four-- giggle. Six on a bed is definitely more kisses and warmth on a cold night.

CavyMom
24th April 2008, 09:15 PM
Two isn't much more work than one, three is just a tad more than two, four is almost exactly like 3, five is more action and more fun than four-- giggle. Six on a bed is definitely more kisses and warmth on a cold night.
Exactly - Now you're thinking like me LOL One just wasn't enough - Two was almost easier then one as they had each other to entertain - Three was easy after to, and if you have three, why not 4? And it just goes from there LOL

I also wanted to comment on an earlier comment about gardens and I completly agree - As a rescuer, I also actually prefer homes without a yard/garden to a home with one - And I WILL NOT adopt to a family with a doggy door until the doggy door is permenently closed - Why? I find they make a family to lazy, a doggy door can be a good tool, but I've seen it to often abused - Sadly, one of my senior rescues, Gratzi, fell victom to an owner that became lazy with a doggy door - The result? He dug under the fence when the owner was at work (despite a few reminders to NEVER leave the doggy door open when he wasn't home!), and he got hit by a car and was killed :( Now an owner that lives in an apt and walks their dog on leash several times a day not only get more time with the owner, but would never face that danger of excaping a yard through a doggy door!!! Sadly, in the 3 years I've done rescue - 2 of the 3 people with doggy doors I've adopted to have had their dogs excape and get killed by cars, and sadly, those 2 are only 2 of 3 dogs that have passed away in those 3 years. Very tragic odds!!!!

Brian M
24th April 2008, 09:37 PM
Hi
We have three cavalier ladies and two mature female cats and we all get along fine ,as i type this sitting on the bed using my laptop Poppy is on the floor beside me Daisy is on the bed just settling down for a snooze and Rosie is also on the bed chewing a nyla bone with Daisy now on the other end, So i would think theres room on the bed for at least four more but at the time i am stuck at three still trying to persuade Dawn to get "just one " more .Lukes in his own bedroom with Tammi the white cat and Dawn is downstairs with Ami the other white cat .My only comment about having three girls is early on this year i gave up on my grassed back garden as with the girls going to the loo there the grass was fast going so i called it quits and had it paved , now i have a raised square in the centre with a big matur acer bloodgood planted there and around the paving large spot plants in big containers it looks quite nice even though i liked my grass .The girls dont mind at all and its easier to pick up the poop ,and as i still work full time and neither drink nor smoke and Dawn doesnt go without anything and shes at home all day and we are mortgage free so the loves of my life even with 3 x vet bills and 3 x ins and 3 x any thing else they are worth every penny and more they are my babies and certainly come way in front of me for anything and it gives me nothing but pleasure splashing the cash on them .So if you are happy and they are happy and you can afford it surely the answer is never too many :dogwlk:

Karlin
24th April 2008, 09:46 PM
Two isn't much more work than one, three is just a tad more than two, four is almost exactly like 3, five is more action and more fun than four-- giggle. Six on a bed is definitely more kisses and warmth on a cold night.

:rotfl: Aha, the 'slippery slope' defense! Having only reached four, I can agree that this is all true. :cool: I couldn't do six on the bed though or I'd be on the floor -- it's only a full sized mattress!

Ruby2 -- Bruce and his wife Kris are cavalier breeders with the MysticKnight affix in the US (see his forum documenting two litters in the 'health' section). That's why they have that number of dogs. :)

ruby2
24th April 2008, 09:53 PM
oh thanks karlin i'll look that up. I was very curious...thanks.

Daisy's Mom
24th April 2008, 10:09 PM
Speaking of the slippery slope: My husband's fear is that my answer to the question of how many dogs is enough is: "one more than we already have." He even said that to me when we were discussing getting a second dog. He said "Then, the next thing you know you will be pushing for 3..."

I seriously, seriously, only want 2, though! Honestly, sweetie!

ruby2
24th April 2008, 10:30 PM
:rotfl: Aha, the 'slippery slope' defense! Having only reached four, I can agree that this is all true. :cool: I couldn't do six on the bed though or I'd be on the floor -- it's only a full sized mattress!

Ruby2 -- Bruce and his wife Kris are cavalier breeders with the MysticKnight affix in the US (see his forum documenting two litters in the 'health' section). That's why they have that number of dogs. :)
thanks karlin i had a good read. Very enjoyable. An awful lot of work involved. I can only presume now then that the 14 king charles that bruce has now are another litter ?? The post was 2005/2006 would that be right?? Im wondering is it the same mother. Must admit i felt abit sorry for her, with her hair falling out etc and she had another litter the year before. Bruce and kris obviously are very good at what they do. They do seem to take brilliant care of the puppies...:), and the mother!!

Bruce H
25th April 2008, 12:05 AM
Two isn't much more work than one, three is just a tad more than two, four is almost exactly like 3, five is more action and more fun than four-- giggle. Six on a bed is definitely more kisses and warmth on a cold night.

Seeeeeeee, Sandy understands me :D.

I just did a quick count and we have 5 dogs that came from other breeders and the rest are dogs we have bred. We generally look at each litter we breed to see if there are any show prospects and will keep one if we think so. Basically when we buy from another breeder, we are doing so to try to better our lines from the standpoint of both health and longevity and conformation.

BTW, Anna has had 1 more litter since I did the "5 months" thread. She will not be bred again; just getting too old. By rights we should place her with a family, but she is another one of those that we just can't part with. In part, that's why we have so many dogs. We have 3 others who we just can't part with, Penney (our oldest), Kate (Penney's daughter and our first puppy) and Eva, aka "Our Little Mess". Poor Eva had such promise as a puppy, but as she grew up, everything went wrong from the standpoint of conformation. No way could we breed her. And no way could we give her up! So she is just our pet now and the cutest little mess you ever saw.

ruby2
25th April 2008, 05:13 PM
Seeeeeeee, Sandy understands me :D.

I just did a quick count and we have 5 dogs that came from other breeders and the rest are dogs we have bred. We generally look at each litter we breed to see if there are any show prospects and will keep one if we think so. Basically when we buy from another breeder, we are doing so to try to better our lines from the standpoint of both health and longevity and conformation.

BTW, Anna has had 1 more litter since I did the "5 months" thread. She will not be bred again; just getting too old. By rights we should place her with a family, but she is another one of those that we just can't part with. In part, that's why we have so many dogs. We have 3 others who we just can't part with, Penney (our oldest), Kate (Penney's daughter and our first puppy) and Eva, aka "Our Little Mess". Poor Eva had such promise as a puppy, but as she grew up, everything went wrong from the standpoint of conformation. No way could we breed her. And no way could we give her up! So she is just our pet now and the cutest little mess you ever saw.

thanks bruce.I was wondering where all the dogs came from. I think you and kris really love all the dogs you have. Its a great story. I read all about the pregnancy etc on the health section like karlin said. Is really hard work,. A person would really want to know what they are doing would'nt they. Well done. Sounds like you have a very lively household...

misty
25th April 2008, 09:45 PM
hmmmm ;)

How many is enough? ((blushing here)).

I've decided that 6 is just fine, no more!!!! And we live in a normal-sized 3 bedroom house; OH and I have 5 dogs sleep in the bedroom with us and my daughter has the other 1 with her! We don't have a massive garden, but the dogs get lots of off-lead exercise on the fields around here. I only work 12 hours a week away from the house, so get to spend loads of time with the Cavs. The major difficulty is finding somewhere to sit in the evening ;)

At the weekends, all 6 dogs accompany us to our caravan, which is situated in a forest and the whole weekend is centred around walks and relaxing with the clan.

I've had Cavs for 20+ years, but ended up with 6 using the "one more won't be much more trouble" principle ;). 5 of our little furbabes are rescues, and volunteering in rescue was how we found each of them.

Main disadvantage of 6 - it's best if OH is around at walk time, so we can walk them all at once. Oh and we hate lead walks, so take them to remote places, so they can run free!

Our dogs are never boarded, and yes we do base our entire life around them. This year we are taking a holiday and have found a caravan to hire on a farm that will accept us and however many dogs we want to bring with us! That'll be all 6 of course :).

Louisma
28th April 2008, 01:02 PM
I have three and would say enough is when you run out of human bed space! It doesnt seem to matter how many dog beds I buy they all want to snuggle up on the bed with us!

I'm very surprised at the not homing with a doggy door though - seems very strange to me. I have a doggy door in my kitchen to my garden for when i am out shopping or at work (part time) . Obviously it also forms part of the great 'I have the ball you have to chase me game....' .

I must admit I dont enjoy lead walking mine - two pull like mad so we go to the woods every day so they can have a good rummage around...


MISTY - are you holidaying in south wales by any chance?

Cathy T
29th April 2008, 03:31 AM
I have two and that is my limit. I do foster on occasion and enjoy having a third but it has taught me that my preference is to remain at two.

The people (like Sandy and Bruce....two crazies!!) with multiplies just know how to make it work. I don't think I have it in me. ;)

Doggy doors.....we have a doggy door and I love it!! My guys still get their walks but I love the freedom of the doggy door. Our back wall is concrete and I know the limits of my two. They will not and cannot escape. Plus I can look out my window and see where they are if they go out unescorted. To get out the doggy door though, they have to go past my office chair so I know when they go out.

chloe92us
29th April 2008, 07:49 PM
Up until a week ago, our large yard was not fenced. So my poor puppy has been attached to my hip for 5 months- walks, potty breaks, everywhere! He is a "darter" so I cannot trust him off-leash EVER.

I finally broke down and fenced the yard, and I have never seen him so happy. We still go for walks, but his new love in life is playing fetch with the ball in the yard.

I have three dogs, but I think 2 is the magic number for me. My oldest is 14 YO (not a cavalier) and although I will be devastated when she crosses the bridge, I think my life will be easier with two. I have had anywhere from 1 to 4 dogs at one time, and I believe the magic number is 2. My Cavaliers are so attached to me, unless my lap grows I can't imagine having three trying to squeeze on!