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Aileen
31st July 2008, 05:21 PM
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arasara
31st July 2008, 05:30 PM
This story just breaks my heart and makes me physically ill. I cannot believe the gall of some people and their animals. If I ever had a dog do something like that to another dog, I wouldn't be hightailing it and running away like a coward.

I really hope that the family can get the kind of help they deserve and eventually they are able to adopt another cavalier. I can't imagine witnessing something like that. Those poor children. :(

What a shame.

Aileen
31st July 2008, 05:37 PM
I know what your saying I keep :cry*ing:that poor little dog
and family
---Aileen and the gang (Barney---Jazzie---Sam)

Holly
31st July 2008, 05:37 PM
What a sad, sad story. :( I'm so sorry those poor kids had to witness something like that.

leesanlucie
31st July 2008, 05:38 PM
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OMG! I am in tears reading this!
How sad especially seeing as kiddies witnessed it.

How irresponsible......it disgusts me!:mad:

Louise1823
31st July 2008, 05:41 PM
OMG - horrific... The poor little pup :(

Cathy T
31st July 2008, 06:08 PM
That's just absolutely horrifying!! What a traumatic experience for the whole family. So so sad.

Noelle
31st July 2008, 06:14 PM
Thats really awful,the poor pup and those poor kids to have to see their poppy mangled like that.:(
Disgraceful that the owners of the other dog just ran away like that

Karlin
31st July 2008, 06:59 PM
It is a very sad story and I hope they find the dog and the owners as they should be held responsible. It is really sad that people who own bull breeds don't properly socialise them to other dogs and don't carefully manage them.

But I must say I am shocked parents would have had a 6 year old walking a puppy, and had allowed a TWO year old to carry her! The parents should have been walking the puppy and would have been far more able to manage an emergency (as they clearly saw the dog running towards them across the field; they could have just picked the puppy up), and maybe the death would have been prevented. :( I do think people have to take special care to mind a puppy or any dog in in a public place as not all dogs are friendly.

Justine
31st July 2008, 07:33 PM
On one of the rescue sites here they are looking for a home for a poor dog used as bait.

ice-cavi
31st July 2008, 09:00 PM
:( absoloutely horrifying!
We hear too many stories of Pits and other powerfull breeds attacking and even killing children ,dogs and other animals. I really belive its time to prevent the wrong kind of people owning theese breeds.I my opinion I think people should have to attent special classes in how to handle/raise/socialize theese breeds.

In Iceland Pitts and equally powerfull breeds like Dogo Argentino and other like breeds are not allowed.I must admit that I´m pretty happy with that arangement when I hear stories like this one.:(

JudyG
31st July 2008, 09:09 PM
I heard about this on another site & it absolutely shook me to pieces! it doesn't matter What breed of dog it was which was attacked, it's outrageous!!! I always think I'm safe from this sort of thing because I live in a lovely area - the Cotswolds - but I notice that these people also live in a nice area & how dreadful for the children to see this. It's very scary indeed. I can only hope that the poor little pup died quickly? Bless you little one, no one can harm you now :(

pippa
31st July 2008, 09:20 PM
Words fail me..I have a huge lump in my throat reading this and tears in my eyes.

Shelli
31st July 2008, 09:21 PM
:eek: OMG that is horrific. The poor little thing & that poor family. Its frightening how a nice walk in the park can turn so devastating :(

Ashley
31st July 2008, 10:03 PM
The six year old was only holding the lead Karlin. The parents would have been there too. How many people can say they have honestly let their 6 year old hold the lead of the puppy they adore?! Dont think they can be penalised for that.
I do agree that they could have picked the pup up though. If I saw a dog, off lead that I didnt know, regardless of breed, running towards Holly I always picked her up! :eek: Its just such a sad story! I cant even imagine what the poor children are going through! :(

I agree with what the OP said about having all dogs attend classes and be adequately socialised. I attended a meeting recently regarding legislation on dogs and this was something that pretty much everyone agreed on!

karenc
31st July 2008, 10:04 PM
I know it must have all happened so fast and for that pups sake I hope it was fast, but Id have had a good try at kicking the brians out of that dog. I could NEVER stand by and watch my dog be savaged without trying anything even if I got bit. I would hope to at least break a few bones -prefeably in its head !!. SO SAD.:(

Having said that a cavalier I bred had her throat ripped out by a cross alsation that she had been brought up with.The owner was giving them a treat and she must have got in front of the other dog as before he could do anything , he heard a yelp, turned round and the cavaliers throat was out, so in nano seconds it can happen.

brotymo
31st July 2008, 10:41 PM
Oh my gosh. That has me shaking and in tears. I am so sad for the poor children and how terrified that little puppy must have been. Like someone else said, I hope it was over fast for her.
I just spoke with a friend who lives about 2 hours from me last week. She, along with another neighbor, had been looking after a pit bull that had been abandoned at a yard on her street. She claims the pit bull was sweet to her and her dogs, and she would go feed it in the evenings and walk it with her dogs before taking it back to the property. (they were waiting on the landlord of the property where the dog was abandoned to sort out the mess). She stopped by her house to put her dogs inside before taking the dog back "home" and it rushed in her house and killed her cat she'd had for 14 years right in front of her.
Just as the cavalier has it's sweet nature because hundreds of years of breeding just for that have made it so, pit bulls and a number of other breeds have been bred for other purposes. I think people don't need to forget that.

Jasperxxgabby
31st July 2008, 11:14 PM
So terrifying and devastating, oh that poor puppy:( poppy didn't stand a chance and neither would the children if the dog had attacked them. Glad to hear the police have taken this seriously. The owners are cowards for running away with the dog, owners like these gives these breeds their bad name.

littlelady
1st August 2008, 01:14 AM
Disgusting! I am so sad for this family, the stress for the poor kids of seeing that, we walk ruby every day and we see pit bull's etc off the lead i freeze hubby picks rubz up cos i scream! why are these dogs allowed to roam off the lead? i thought it was law? last weeki was at a freinds jumping in pool etc a lady come down the road and sed her son had been torn apart by a freindly rottweiler!!!! so worrying.

Elaine 2
1st August 2008, 01:26 AM
Oh that poor little pup how sad
This is why you've got to be watching all the time you're out with your dogs 2 big akitas came running at us from nowhere while we were out the other day, l managed to pick Cody and Sophie up but that just left my older collie x Oscar, l was terrified they'd attack him they stood either side of him, then along comes the owner not a care in the world, It really shakes you up when this happens, so how those poor bairns feel l can't imagine

Cathy T
1st August 2008, 02:23 AM
I could NEVER stand by and watch my dog be savaged without trying anything even if I got bit.


I hear ya Karen!! Shelby was attacked by a rottweiler last summer and my "mother hen" instincts just automatically took over. I beat on that dog with my fists, screaming at the top of my lungs. Honestly, if I hadn't, he would have killed her. Thankfully the owner was there to help (the dog was on leash and ripped the leash out of her hands to get to Shelby) and extremely apologetic. Even called for the first few days to be sure Shelby was okay.

I'm definitely not advocating getting in the middle of a dog fight....but know that if I hadn't Shelby would have been shaken to death.

Dublin
1st August 2008, 12:55 PM
This kind of story just breaks my heart, that poor pup & her family, they must be destraught, I know I would be.

I am allways worried that this will happen. When I had my last dog Leo, he was a small chinese crested x maltese & towards the end he was relitivly frail & there is a boy (i would say aprox 16-18yrs) who has a staffy that he walks off lead around the estate. One day she came over & Leo wasn't great with other dogs & barked, now the staffy was ok but I grabbed Leo incase she did suddenly turn as I could imagine his little body in her mouth.

Also I remember seeing on one of those police camera action shows a woman walking a bichon & a 'pitt-bull' type dog came out of nowhere & grabbed the dog, she ran into a shop (which was where this was filmed from) & they tried to get the dog to release hers by using a door but the pitt was having none of it - I can't remember what happened at the end (probably coz I couldn't watch).

But it really worries me, having 2 small dogs, that the wrong people often have these kinds of breeds (I know for every bad owner there are 10 good/responsible ones) because they're big & tough looking.

I used to wok in kennels & we used to have a 'game' - trying to work out what breed of dog people had just by looking at them - we were often right (& sometimes wrong when big fellas had the smallest, fluffiest dogs!!).

Cathy Moon
1st August 2008, 01:30 PM
That is just plain horrifying. My heart goes out to the family. :(

I always worry about situations like this whenever I have had more than one of my dogs out walking, which is why I now walk one dog at a time. It would be like Sophie's Choice; which one would you pick up to save, if you could save only one. Colin had to make that choice when he was walking our 2 girls and was attacked by 2 labs, right in our supposedly quiet, safe neighborhood. At least some neighbors came out to witness it, and one lady actually pulled the meanest lab away.

I've had several close calls, twice with India. Once in the vets waiting room, a rottweiler came after India. The woman holding the rottweiler's lead actually overturned a large shelving unit trying to control her dog. :eek: Another time, we were in a pre-agility class, and the dogs were off lead one at a time for a training exercise. An american bulldog, who had absolutely no intention of obeying his owner, headed our way suddenly. I scooped her up and turned against a wall for protection. These were scary situations to be in, and I was in a supposedly safe place both times. In my own experience, I've found you can NEVER be too careful.

FranklinFreckles
3rd August 2008, 07:55 AM
This is so devastating! That poor puppy and those poor children, there are just no words for such irresponsible people to keep dogs like that.

I love animals and have grown up with and around all different kinds of dogs but I have found myself becoming quite hardened to breeds that were bred for years for the sole purpose of violence and fighting.

As someone else mentioned, our beloved cavaliers were bred largely for their temperament and adoring personalities and it is not a stretch to say that you could breed a dog for the reverse. I've seen and heard about the nicest, sweetest pit bull dogs turning on dogs at the park or other family pets that they've grown up with!

It isn't fair to the dogs, and I feel guilty being prejudiced against them, but it is even less fair to the other animals and their families who fall victim to these bred killers.

Just a month or so ago, my little boy and I were at the local dog park, which is usually a very friendly and calm place. A sweet older german shepherd, whose owner brings her every single day, was viciously attacked by a bull terrier that was completely unprovoked. The dog was literally standing there, sniffing something, when the terrier attacked it. The shepherd is ok, but she had the top of her head ripped apart and no amount of beating the terrier could get it to let go. It's owner literally was kicking it in the throat before it finally gave up. The poor shepherd was just crying, not fighting back at all. All I could think of was if that had been my cavalier. He would have been torn up like a rag doll and could not have withstood such an attack like the big shepherd could!

These dogs get allot of attention here in California because they are massively overbred and dominate the shelters. There is allot of pressure on the community to adopt and save all of these dogs, but I can't help but feel resistant to it.

IMHO, it should NOT be encouraged for inexperienced dog owners, families, and your average Joe to adopt these big, powerful and potentially dangerous dogs. Especially dogs in the shelter, who are often brought in after being abused or trained to be aggressive to other dogs. These dogs end up going on walks, to the beach or dog parks, and endangering other people's family and dogs. I think its irresponsible and misleading to run the kinds of campaigns I see. It is heartbreaking to know that these dogs get put to sleep because of their sheer number but I do not think that pressuring families and average inexperienced dog owners to adopt them is the answer :(

JudyG
3rd August 2008, 03:58 PM
Just read on another site about someone who was walking her little JRT (I think?) with her OH when a man walked past struggling to hold on to his very strong,ferocious dog. Just as the couple got near to their own house the dog broke free & came charging towards them apparently screaming & slavering with teeth bared! the husband thought very quickly & scooped up the little dog & threw him into the rubbish bin! The dog slammed into the bin, but fortunately the jrt was saved. The owner collected his dog with not even a sign of remorse never mind an apology!!! The little dog was wagging his tail when he came out oblivious to the avoided horror.

Karlin
3rd August 2008, 05:57 PM
It is heartbreaking to know that these dogs get put to sleep because of their sheer number but I do not think that pressuring families and average inexperienced dog owners to adopt them is the answer

I think that only contributes to the problem. :( The last thing I want is some bull terrier of unknown background going to an inexperienced family. I differ from many I know in rescue on these breeds but I hear again and again of bullbreeds that are supposedly the sweetest family dogs turning on pets and other dogs in particular, sometimes on children (it is a recurring theme).

My personal issue with these breeds is not that I think they are so much a greater danger to people, but that they are well known to have a breed dispensation to be argumentative and prone to fighting or attacking other dogs and pets unless socialised carefully early on. The breed clubs for such breeds clearly state this as do breed encyclopedias. However a lot of these breeds are simply not socialised adequately or deliberately encouraged to go for other animals. My objection to the breeds is that they attack other dogs and all else being equal, I think anyone has to assume any given bull breed dog is more likely to be aggressive to a dog than not, if you meet them on a walk.

From that perspective and knowing many cases where bull breeds have attacked and killed dogs and cats around the area where I live, I support restricted breed lists and requirements (as in Ireland) that certain breeds be leashed, managed by someone older than 16, and muzzled when in public.

laura85
3rd August 2008, 06:19 PM
i feel physically sick reading this.. im so close to crying the only thing stopping me is that im in work

just terrible :(

CavyMom
4th August 2008, 02:59 PM
This just makes me sick, my heart goes out to that family!!! I don't blame the dog, but the irresponsible owners that allowed a dog I'm sure they knew was dog aggresive to run loose like that!!! Sadly, I also am willing to bet if it WASN'T a "pit bull type" it wouldn't have made a paper, pits have a bad rep because of bad owners, but personally I'm more weary of labs, goldens, and "good" family dogs, because some owners never THINK they're dangerious, but in the hands of an owner who doesn't know how to control a large dog, I've head of far to many attacks by those breeds as well :( Personally, I feel ANY large dog should only be in the hands of an owner who understands that any dog CAN be a dangerious dog if not trained and handled properly and takes the steps needed to have a well socialized, well trained dog. Now powerful breeds like Rotties, Pits, Dobermans, Shepards, ETC definatly DO need a stronger minded owner then most labs or goldens, but it breaks my heart that it's only when the bully breeds attack does the media make a huge deal about it.

That said - I do hope they find that dog and take it away from those owners!!! And once a dog has a taste for blood like that, rehabilitating them is very unlikely, the dog can never be trusted again, so sadly, I feel the best thing would be to euthanize that dog if they ever do find it to prevent this from happening again,what a horrible tragidy that could have all been prevented with a little responsible dog ownership!!!!!

Cleo's Person
4th August 2008, 03:08 PM
OMG!! The poor pup. I hope for her sake it was over very fast. And Oh her family! I hope the children will be alright.

Sandrac
4th August 2008, 03:42 PM
What a dreadful thing to happen. Just so lucky that it wasn't one of the children.