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sins
7th August 2008, 12:13 PM
Hi all,
Daisy has not been in good form for the last two days.She seems a bit stiff on her hind legs and very depressed.Initially I thought it was part of going into heat as she's due any day now.
However she won't let me touch her hindqurters and seemed very distressed when she was being washed yesterday.She's constantly licking the base of her tail forcefully and her right hindquarters obsessively and cries a bit.
Could it be an anal gland problem? She's finished a course of antibiotics about a week ago for a skin infection so I hate the idea of her taking another course.There's no evidence that she's actually gone into heat as yet.
Hubby phoned the vet last night and he didn't seem unduly concerned and gave us an appointment for two o clock this afternoon.
(Rural vets don't seem too put out by a dog being in pain do they?).
And then to top it all I had to take my son to the GP at 9.30 last night with bronchitis so between the pair of them I'll be broke and emotionally worn out.
*Sighs*
Question really could this be a gland problem?.. or a yeast infection after antibiotics? I guess I'll need to keep her crated at vets in case she goes into heat and causes a riot in the waiting room.
Sins

Shelli
7th August 2008, 03:35 PM
Sins, hope all goes well at the vets. Let us know how you get on :flwr:

Sue.k
7th August 2008, 03:44 PM
Hope everything goes well at the vets, let us know how you get on. I have noticed that also about Rural vets, when I moved to Westmeath I had terrible problems trying to get a vet, they were not interested once they heard it was a dog!

sins
7th August 2008, 04:18 PM
Well the news isn't great. She has impacted/infected anal glands as we suspected. The vet was unable to squeeze out infected fluid so she's on antibiotics until next Wednesday and he'll try again.
If this fails she'll have surgery.
It's disappointing as this came out of nowhere, she was fed a good quality diet but vet says he sees a lot of this with cavaliers and other small dogs.
It will leave some small scars and will probably rule out showing her.
Sins

Cathy T
7th August 2008, 04:25 PM
Oh no Sins!! So sorry to hear this...but hear it much too frequently. My understanding is that some dogs are just prone to problems regardless of what they are fed. Hoping your vet is able to relieve her without surgery. Give her some gentle kisses from me.

Shelli
7th August 2008, 05:00 PM
:hug::hug::hug: for you & Daisy.
Hopefully she wont need surgury :xfngr:

Sue.k
7th August 2008, 05:01 PM
I am so sorry to hear this, hopefully she will make a full recovery x

coconut
7th August 2008, 05:12 PM
So sorry sins i hope that she makes a speedy recovery

Cleo's Person
7th August 2008, 05:41 PM
Sins, I am so sorry to hear that Daisy isn't well. Hopefully the vet will be able to sort her our next week and she won't need surgery.

pippa
8th August 2008, 12:57 AM
Hope it clears up without surgery..I know how distressing it can be Pippin had this problem last year and it burst! Very sore and messy and the poor little thing didn't even complain..He was right as rain in a week or so though..best wishes for a speedy recovery for Daisy and your son.

BTW when it happened to pippin we had to rush him to the vets and while I was there I got a call about my son and had to leave Pippin with my daughter and rush my son to hospital! It's amazing how these things happen together.

hbmama
8th August 2008, 01:15 AM
Sorry Daisy isn't feeling well. Those darn anal glands seem to bring more grief to these little dogs. Just glad there was a firm diagnosis and hope the antibiotics clear up the infection soon!

Karlin
8th August 2008, 02:29 AM
I'm so sorry Sins!

I would avoid surgery if he means to remove the glands, if at all possible. In other words it is worth getting a second opinion. I'd suggest talking to Tom Farrington near Cork: 0) 23 48811 or if you are in Dublin, one of my vets.

Leo just had a ruptured gland and it healed up with no problem. I just had my vet express his glands, a few months later, and he had very little fluid built up. You can get other complications with surgery.

angelmommy
8th August 2008, 04:02 AM
angel has to visit the vets for her anal glands emptied every now and then he says he sees it alot in cavaliers too he never mentioned it could end up in surgery hope your girl doesnt need it... hugsss:flwr:

sins
8th August 2008, 09:55 AM
Thanks guys.I wish I'd taken her to the vet myself but my husband was the only one free at the time and I didn't want her in pain until the evening surgery.
I'm optimistic about her avoiding surgery,from what I understand, it was the young vet that Daisy takes great delight in biting who was on duty.It's just tough luck but every time she meets him he has to give her an injection and she won't let him touch her.
The main problem was that she was just too sore to allow the glands to be expressed and she just couldn't tolerate it so he's hoping that after five days of antibiotics he'll do it without any problems next wednesday.
I wouldn't willingly have her undergo a surgery without it being an absolute last resort.Thanks for the numbers Karlin.
Sins

Cleo's Person
8th August 2008, 01:33 PM
How is she doing today Sins? Another option for a second vet opinion is Gilabbey vet hospital, 021 4962799 in Cork. I sent you on their details before, if you do go there ask for Shane, he seems to know the most about small animnals and was the vet who knew all about SM etc.

pippa
8th August 2008, 02:32 PM
When it happened to pippin...my vet wasn't there and the young girl couldn't express the fluid either..as it had ruptured fluid came out of it everyday when I bathed it.He got the glands expressed when they healed twice in a few weeks and then yearly since and has had no further problems..

Fingers crossed for Daisy.

daveoirl
8th August 2008, 04:03 PM
That sounds terrible, hopefully the drugs will work and they will be able to treat the problem without surgery.

As a side, are the symptoms for build up in the anal glands very obvious? I know that they might scoot more, or lick the area a lot etc, but how much scooting would be needed before you would think there might be a problem?

Amie scoots sometimes, might see her doing it maybe once a day.

sins
8th August 2008, 04:25 PM
I got no warning at all with it. Only noticing that she was licking herself a lot and seemed to be stiff and sore around the hindquarters. I suspect it's something that's easy to miss because they're such furry little creatures and very often they don't complain.
I was amazed that they were infected as she's only finished antibiotics a week ago, but she hadn't been scooting at all.It's not something she does.
She was literally eating the tail off herself and had been licking one side of her hindquarters pratically non stop and when I washed her and poured the water over her back end she yelped.
She did seem to have a temperature though the evening before and lay on the couch in a very depressed state, but many bitches going into heat can behave like this.
My friends are helpfully referring to me as Mrs Pumphrey (All creatures great and small) and Daisy as tricki woo (pekinese with Flop bot) that the poor vets used to dread visiting.
I'll make certain she doesn't have surgery unless absolutely necessary, she's doing much better today, she's not in distress and she has her "wriggle" back when she runs to greet me.
Sins

daveoirl
8th August 2008, 05:01 PM
I love that "wriggle"!

I must keep and eye out for the signs in future. Sounds very stressful for all involved!

Noelle
8th August 2008, 05:06 PM
Sorry to hear your dog is sick,hope she will be ok soon and won't need surgery.

lorebringer
11th August 2008, 11:18 AM
We have a foster dog that had the worst anal glands. When we first got him we took him to the vet and his glands were so compacted that they couldn't be drained either. He was put onto antibiotics for a week. Once the antibiotics were finished, the vet cleared them out (very unpleasent for all involved) and he was given an injection to help clear anything else. He was also put onto more antibiotics. For the next five(ish) days his glands were seeping and I was constantly running after him with babywipes. The smell was very bad and he seemed quite uncomfortable (esp when he was going to the toilet) but it did the trick. :thmbsup:

Cathy Moon
11th August 2008, 01:32 PM
How is Daisy? I hope she's feeling lots better.:xfngr::xfngr::paw::paw::paw:

sins
11th August 2008, 02:02 PM
She's doing so much better and she now has a foster cavalier for company.
She's had no side effects yet from antibiotics(vet said she could get diarrhoea) and she's back on Wednesday to vet.Lorebringer....Thanks for the warning about the aftermath of having the glands cleared.I started my career about 20 years ago in a veterinary diagnostic lab so I have a reasonably robust constitution, I suspect I'll need it.
Sins

bellacherie
16th August 2008, 05:31 AM
Bella had an upset tummy within a week of getting her, and so her anal glands didn't empty properly. So after I noticed her scooting, I took her to the vet who said he glands were infected and I should keep an eye on them. I have taken her back several times and they said they are now normal (I make sure her poos are firm) - but she still scoots from time to time! :bang:

Margaret C
17th August 2008, 04:20 PM
Anal gland abscesses can happen occasionally to any breed of dog.

Some owners give a little bran in with the dog's food to make the motions bulkier & so make sure the glands are more likely to be emptied of their contents.

I had one dog that had ongoing & very persistent anal gland infection which just did not clear up. The surgery had to go very deep & I was warned that there was a chance that he would be incontinent of faeces.
Fortunately it did not happen.

It is not something I would want to do unless I was sure that there was really no other option.

Margaret C

Nicki
17th August 2008, 05:36 PM
Glad that Daisy is on the road to recovery - and hope that your son is too!!

Some Cavaliers really seem to suffer with anal gland problems, whatever they are fed, so the best thing is to check them regularly, at least once a month.

A vet, vet nurse or good groomer can teach you how to check them and empty them, and this is something we all really need to know - it's not that bad when you get used to it!! We do ours once a month - some are always ok, others seem to need them emptied.

It used to be said that once you started emptying them that you would always need to, but I've been told by the vets that that isn't true - some dogs just can't empty them themselves and need them done.

Impacted - and especially infected - anal glands are extremely painful for the dog, and the surgery really is a very last resort.

sins
17th August 2008, 08:12 PM
Thanks Nicki,
She's been back to the vet and had them completely cleared and has made a perfect recovery.I'll ask the vet to show me next time.I have no problem at all doing this, just holding her is the difficult part...she's a very ill tempered patient with very sharp teeth.
Sins

frecklesmom
17th August 2008, 09:06 PM
Glad Daisy got past this hurdle and is feeling better. You might want to invest in a soft muzzle to use when you clean her glands-everyone a winner that way :p. There is at least one video on the internet about gland cleaning which could help getting prepared for your vet's instruction. This one is OK but why she used a black dog for it is beyond me. :rolleyes:

http://www.expertvillage.com/video/8453_dog-grooming-basics-glands.htm