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Ciren
20th August 2008, 02:11 PM
it has been mentioned that this lady is a member of this forum. i would REALLY appreciate being able to contact her.

Karlin
20th August 2008, 02:17 PM
I will pass your contact details on to her to allow her to make contact if she wishes.

Ciren
20th August 2008, 02:26 PM
thats fab Karlin thanks!. i want to know if there is anything i can do to help her, not just money but things like writing letters making phone calls or emailing people etc.

merlinsmum
20th August 2008, 03:47 PM
Karlin,

If possible please pass on my details. I am fortunate "at this time" to have two heathly dogs but I would dearly like to help in some way to raise awareness to try and eradicate these horrible diseases that make our beloved cavaliers suffer so much.

Thanks in advance

Bunnylover
20th August 2008, 05:30 PM
If she's reading this thread can I say what a wonderful woman you are.

Ashley
20th August 2008, 05:33 PM
If you do read this thread Carol, then please dont hesitate to get in contact with myself either. As Ciren said, even if it is helping write letters, or make phone calls, or keep things up to date, or deal with paper work etc. The same goes for yourself Karlin.

I mostly work at home... so would be happy to help you if there is anything you need, at any time.

Shelli
20th August 2008, 05:33 PM
If she's reading this thread can I say what a wonderful woman you are.

I second that :thmbsup:

Aileen
20th August 2008, 06:22 PM
If she's reading this thread can I say what a wonderful woman you are.
Me too
---Aileen and the gamg (Barney---Jazzie--Sam)

Nicki
20th August 2008, 07:32 PM
I have just sent a message to Carol with a link to this thread, hopefully when she has a bit of time she will come on and visit - I suspect she is currently overloaded with messages.

Sibealb
20th August 2008, 07:39 PM
Me too, if there's any letters to be written funraising etc. would love to help any way we can.
Well done Carolcl*pcl*pcl*p

Cathy T
20th August 2008, 08:04 PM
Carol Fowler, Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge....you ladies rock!!! The big name breeders may not support you but you can rest assured that thousands of us lowly little pet owners sure do. Bless you for all you are doing for our wonderful little breed.

Jpup
20th August 2008, 08:25 PM
Carol Fowler, Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge....you ladies rock!!! The big name breeders may not support you but you can rest assured that thousands of us lowly little pet owners sure do. Bless you for all you are doing for our wonderful little breed.


Couldn't have put it better myself. I would also like to help in any way i can as mentioned by others on this thread.

Karlin
20th August 2008, 08:26 PM
I understand she has been indeed swamped with calls, people coming up to her all day on the street, and emails etc.

Margaret Carter, also featured in the programme, is also a member here and posted very courageous messages in several discussion threads on these issues.

Meanwhile on other lists the breeders are busy discounting Clare's decade plus of research and the results of all the other researcher studies. Of course if they dismiss Clare's work, then that is a direct rejection of any work Sarah Blott will do, as Sarah's EBV's are based directly on Clare and Penny's work. If Clare's work is nonsensical, as they argue, then Sarah's cannot possibly have any value either.

Some of the very same people supposedly supporting Sarah's work (whose backs we saw leaving the very meeting at which they pledged that support) are busy making these comments elsewhere, so I will leave it up to readers to think about how much actual breeder support there will be for Sarah's work.

I hope the intelligent and sensible breeders do come forward and build on the important work already done by earlier researchers by continuing to MRI and give support to Sarah Blott and the closely connected genome study of Clare and Penny, on which Sarah's final, proposed gEBVs rest entirely.

frecklesmom
20th August 2008, 08:37 PM
The ladies mentioned above are terrific. Their quiet strength was excellent for this presentation. They fight for my beloved Cavaliers and yours and I thank them with my whole heart and :rah: them on in their righteous battle.

Louise1823
20th August 2008, 08:40 PM
Somebody quoted in the documentary last night that every breed needs a Carol Fowler.
I agree 100%, but they also need a Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge and Karlin Lillington!

You ladies have done and continue to do so much for this wonderful breed and you are all to be hugely applauded cl*p

It would be wonderful if the BBC decided to drop Crufts - this would be an amazing, very public stance against the terrible breeding practises that are being allowed to continue.

pippa
20th August 2008, 09:23 PM
Carol Fowler, Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge....you ladies rock!!! The big name breeders may not support you but you can rest assured that thousands of us lowly little pet owners sure do. Bless you for all you are doing for our wonderful little breed.



I echo everything said by Cathy...these ladies are brilliant!

sins
20th August 2008, 09:31 PM
It's great to be able to put faces to the names.
All the above ladies deserve the highest praise and support for their efforts to salvage this wonderful breed.
Sins

Karlin
20th August 2008, 11:17 PM
Have had a message from Carol saying she has been inundated with calls and emails and many offers of help. She says she will get back to people but it will take a little while, and notes there are many things that people will be able to do. I have also had many emails from strnagers asking me to forward emails to Carol, which I have done.

Meanwhile I have also had this reply from another of the women:


One of the answers we can give to those many people who have said " what can
I do?" is to ask them to write , phone, or log on to the KC website & let
them know just what they want them to change.

I would add to that, to write to your MP or if in Ireland, TDs and tell them how you felt about the programme and what you think needs to be changed. Please note in Ireland, the Dept of Agriculture is about to start on an animal welfare bill. The period for public submissions recently ended (and yes I did make a formal submission and in part, proposed that breeding should fall under this bill's aegis). But there is plenty of scope to write your TD and to the Minister asking that the bill address these issues, in particular, to examine the issue of inbreeding in pedigree dogs and consider following the Swedish model of outlawing close linebreeding, parent to offspring or sibling to sibling.

merlinsmum
20th August 2008, 11:20 PM
Thanks Karlin - will email the kennel club etc. as soon as I get back from my weekend camping in the rain!

Tobietots
20th August 2008, 11:29 PM
I agree, Carol your tireless fight to highlight and eradicate SM is truely encouraging. I wish you all the best with the campagning, what a wonderful woman you are! :o My suport is with you all the way.
Has there been any kind of petition in place that we can sign?

Alison_Leighfield
20th August 2008, 11:37 PM
I think we had the same e-mail Karlin :)

Will pass on all thanks again anyway! there are ways that you can all help and I'm sure you will hear more at a later time.

So many thanks again from Carol.

Alison.

Mimi
20th August 2008, 11:38 PM
Hi Karlin ,
Maybe it would be helpful to produce a standard letter for everyone to print out and post to their local TD . To make sure that the correct wording is used as to what is needed to help with breeding healthy dogs .
If it could be put up to be downloaded .
Mimi

Ciren
21st August 2008, 12:03 AM
Hi Karlin ,
Maybe it would be helpful to produce a standard letter for everyone to print out and post to their local TD . To make sure that the correct wording is used as to what is needed to help with breeding healthy dogs .
If it could be put up to be downloaded .
Mimi

that would be helpful as alot of the termanology and science confuses me.

if anyone knows Carol in RL give her a BIG hug from me and Peaches pls

Maxxs_Mummy
21st August 2008, 01:40 AM
Margaret Carter, also featured in the programme, is also a member here and posted very courageous messages in several discussion threads on these issues.

I take my hat off to Margaret for her input in this programme. I know how guilty she still feels about her beloved Monty siring pups whilst suffering from SM and unlike some of those breeders she was completely unaware of his illness. Unlike those, she has nothing to feel guilty about and has worked tirelessly ever since to promote healthy breeding.


Meanwhile on other lists the breeders are busy discounting Clare's decade plus of research and the results of all the other researcher studies. Of course if they dismiss Clare's work, then that is a direct rejection of any work Sarah Blott will do, as Sarah's EBV's are based directly on Clare and Penny's work. If Clare's work is nonsensical, as they argue, then Sarah's cannot possibly have any value either.

Nothing new there really, they've been discounting it on some lists all along!


Some of the very same people supposedly supporting Sarah's work (whose backs we saw leaving the very meeting at which they pledged that support) are busy making these comments elsewhere, so I will leave it up to readers to think about how much actual breeder support there will be for Sarah's work.

Hmmmmm exactly. I daren't show my vface on those lists or my new computer might blow up! I'm sure it was my anger on those lists that caused half of the problems the other one died from ;)


I hope the intelligent and sensible breeders do come forward and build on the important work already done by earlier researchers by continuing to MRI and give support to Sarah Blott and the closely connected genome study of Clare and Penny, on which Sarah's final, proposed gEBVs rest entirely.

I think that the breeders who ARE intelligent and sensible and who care deeply about the welfare of their progeny will give as much support as possible. I wish I could win the lottery to fund more work into it. I'd love nothing better than to die knowing than every Cavalier born was going to be healthy and long lived. I live with nerve pain on a daily basis and I still don;t think there is anything scarier than seeing your beloved furbaby having a screaming attack and being totally out of control :'(

Emma n Renco
21st August 2008, 06:53 AM
This is so so wonderful! That documentary has really and truly exposed some dark truths of dog breeding and thanks to pioneers like Carol Fowler, Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge. and Karlin SM can no longer be ignored. This is such a rush that the 'bad breeders' can be shamed and hopefully stopped. Truly amazing.... the idea about making a standard letter would be wonderful... I can translate it into Dutch and spread the campaign over to The Netherlands as well....

Keep up the good work and good luck in working through all of the emails and calls... truly amazing ladies!

xx

Cavvygirl
21st August 2008, 09:12 AM
I would echo what everyone else has said, although I knew about SM from my reading on this site it is a completely different thing seeing a dog suffering in front of your own eyes. After the programme I went and woke my two up for a cuddle as it really upset me and I couldn't imagine going through the pain of seeing a member of your family suffer like that.

You ladies are truly amazing and like others have said I will be happy to help in any way that I can and think the idea of a standard letter would be great.:rah:

Bunnylover
21st August 2008, 11:15 AM
Carol Fowler, Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge....you ladies rock!!! The big name breeders may not support you but you can rest assured that thousands of us lowly little pet owners sure do. Bless you for all you are doing for our wonderful little breed.
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I'm sorry how could I forget to thank these other wonderful ladies too,you are an inspiration to all.

Sandrac
21st August 2008, 01:56 PM
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"Somebody quoted in the documentary last night that every breed needs a Carol Fowler.
I agree 100%, but they also need a Margaret C and Clare Rusbridge and Karlin Lillington!

You ladies have done and continue to do so much for this wonderful breed and you are all to be hugely applauded cl*p"

I agree with this totally as well - so well done to everyone that is bringing these awful conditions to the forefront. I lost my first Cav to MVD and Cinders has it as well.

If there is anything we can do please let us know - as before a standard letter would be fantastic! I would certainly get it sent to as many people as possible, people power is what is needed in these situations and it does work!

Well done to the BBC on bringing these problems to the attention of everyone.

Alison_Leighfield
21st August 2008, 02:08 PM
I had a chat with Carol this morning and she is just fine. :)

Carol has been inundated with well wishes and offers of help after the film and she just asked if I would say a huge "Thank You" to all of you on her behalf. It means so much to have the support.

I'm sure in time Carol will return your e-mails etc.

Alison.

Alison_Leighfield
21st August 2008, 02:38 PM
I'm sure in time we will all know what we can do to help.

I think at this very moment she is owed at least a few days to rest and recover in peace and quiet after all the hard work!

Alison.

Ciren
21st August 2008, 04:42 PM
you know i am glad she is to busy to come here and talk to us, it means she is getting lots of help from other places and hopefully giving the cause of breeding pedigree dogs a big boost :D

Karlin
21st August 2008, 07:42 PM
I really think it is simply a matter of taking a bit of a break and slowly working through contacts. I know Carol is totally snowed under with responses.

Ciren
31st August 2008, 06:12 AM
Has anyone actually heard anything yet? or have i missed something?

Karlin
31st August 2008, 12:33 PM
I know she has replied to all emails received. I did send along some of your details but maybe those got buried amongst all her replies. I will Pm you her email address.

Ciren
31st August 2008, 08:13 PM
thanks

varja
1st September 2008, 04:44 PM
You ladies have done and continue to do so much for this wonderful breed and you are all to be hugely applauded

I can just put my name under this. Thank you all for what you are doing for our lovely breed.

I am from another country, but If I can do anything to help, I would love to.

wotton12000
6th September 2008, 11:51 AM
I hope that at last I've managed to join CavalierTalk and figure out how to post messages on this forum.

First, thanks to all of you who have sent messages to me and particulary if you have offered to help. I have been inundated, but hopefully I've now caught up. If I haven't replied to you, I apologise. It will have been an oversight or the message hasn't reached me. Please contact me again privately. I have written a list of suggestions of how people can help which I will attach to my email in reply.

Needless to say I will continue campaigning on behalf of Cavaliers and other dogs suffering from hereditary health problems. The more of us who do so the quicker solutions will be found and some protection provided for our much loved canine companions.

Best Wishes

Carol

Karlin
7th September 2008, 01:13 AM
Yes you are in! :lol:

Aileen
7th September 2008, 01:14 PM
Wel come Carol
---Aileen and(Barney--Jazzie)

Jan Bell
8th September 2008, 12:25 PM
Thought you might be interested to know that both Carol and Jemima (from Passionate Productions) have been invited along to the Woman of the Year lunch.

Have a look at Beverly Cuddy's Cold Wet Nose Blog.(http://www.coldwetnose.blogspot.com/)

Ciren
8th September 2008, 01:52 PM
YAY welcome Carol!!

i just dropped you a message using this forum as i suspect my email has gotten lost.