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brotymo
10th November 2008, 01:00 PM
Bandit is not feeling well. Strange behavior/symptoms. We are leaving for the vet in 5 minutes to be there when they open. He is shivering, looking scared/worried and is restless. He pooped this morning and it was normal, but he kept acting like he still had to poop, but nothing came out.
He is stiff and won't relax and acts afraid.

I am, needless to say, worried. It started last night with him having trouble settling for the night and resulting in me finally putting him in the crate instead of in bed with me. (He was sitting up in bed, looking worried and refusing to settle down). I thought something had scared him when we were outside going potty, because he was very spooky outside...jumping at every shadow, nervous, yet not wanting to come back inside. this morning he wanted to go outside and sit on the back porch, and just shivered (it is very cold...hard freeze this morning). He would stare in through the doggie door, but not come in. When he saw me pick up my keys, he came in (he always wants to go with me if I grab my keys) and he got straight into the kennel I had by the garage door. He sits in there now just looking around and sniffing, shivering, refusing to relax.

Well, gotta run and get him looked at. I'll report back.

Sabby
10th November 2008, 01:40 PM
Sorry I have got no advice but I just keep my fingers crossed :xfngr: that everything is ok with Bandit.

Sabby

ourempire
10th November 2008, 01:41 PM
Prayers, crossed fingers and big hugs to Bandit. I hope everything will be ok. :hug:

Shelli
10th November 2008, 01:43 PM
Hope everything is ok with Bandit :xfngr:

Karlin
10th November 2008, 01:45 PM
Hope all will be well. Could he have eaten something/ have some sort of intestinal blockage? Hope all will be well. :xfngr: You are right to get him in right away.

frecklesmom
10th November 2008, 02:08 PM
Just a thought but I'm wondering if it could be anal glands needing care. Freckles had some of those symptoms 2 weeks ago and the Vet found the glands full. After emptying he was fine.

Lani
10th November 2008, 02:43 PM
I hope Bandit is doing okay. Please let us know what the vet says as soon as you can. :hug:

Ejay
10th November 2008, 03:03 PM
i've got my fingers crossed that Bandit is ok! hope he feels better x

brotymo
10th November 2008, 03:13 PM
Hi everyone and thanks for your concern. We are back. The doc found his belly to be really tender to palpation. A fecal showed nothing amiss. He felt it is colitis. All the recent changes (new puppy in the house, plus I am dogsitting for my exhusbands two vizslas for two weeks and they have been here a week already) are what the vet feels like brought it on. He put Bandit on metronidazole and said he should be much improved by tomorrow. If not, or if he gets worse (other than some diarrhea, which the vet said is possible will happen), I am to come in tomorrow (or sooner, or course, if things seem critical) and then they would do xrays and bloodwork to rule out a blockage or something else.
So, cross your fingers that he feels much better quickly and that it is nothing more than colitis brought on by the new stresses he has endured this last week.

Sue.k
10th November 2008, 04:31 PM
:xfngr: that Bandit will be ok xx

*Pauline*
10th November 2008, 04:34 PM
Oh poor fella, all that extra company and he won't feel like playing now. I thought it was colitis when you described it, Dylan used to get this. I hope he is better soon.:flwr: Sometimes this can make his bottom sore so that might be another reason he is looking frightened.

Jan Bell
10th November 2008, 04:55 PM
:l*v: Get well soon Bandit.

islewriter
10th November 2008, 05:02 PM
We are with you 'Positive Thoughts' :dogwlk:

leesanlucie
10th November 2008, 05:07 PM
Awww....poor Bandit!
Hope he gets well soon.:p

murphy's mum
10th November 2008, 07:52 PM
Poor Bandit, I hope he's all better soon:flwr:

diddy
10th November 2008, 08:04 PM
Glad you got Bandit checked out ok. I hope the meds help and he starts feeling a bit better by tomorrow :xfngr: . Please keep us posted cos we all love the little fella.

shippers
10th November 2008, 08:21 PM
Hope bandit is feeling better soon

brotymo
10th November 2008, 08:26 PM
thanks everyone. All the support is so good to have.

I am still worried...but puzzled. Clearly, something is wrong. He trembles in waves (trembles a few seconds, stops a few seconds) and is very tense. He even avoids me, though he wants to be in the room I am in. He avoids being touched. I haven't done anything to make him feel nervous around me, not even accidentally, like tripping over him or anything. (and he acted like this with the kids this morning, too) He did sit on my oldest daughters lap while she was waiting for the bus (on the couch). Usually he lies down beside her and sleeps. This morning he only wanted to sit, and he was very tense, trembling and unwilling to lie down.

On the way back from the vet I brought home 4 bales of wheat straw to spread under the back porch for the doggies to lay down in while they are outside (do this every winter because Kaya and Laddie get too hot in the house with their big coats and love to be outside in the straw better). Bandit and Lizzie came outside while I spread the straw around. They thought it was big fun. I sat and studied while they played and Bandit acted like he felt fine while playing for a good 45 minutes to an hour. Lizzie came to the steps to come back inside, but Bandit laid down in the straw. I don't like to leave him out unsupervised (after the hawk situation) so I went to get him. Immediately he was tense and trembling. I brought him in and he just sat by himself staring at me with his back legs tucked tight into his sides and under him and his tail curved around and tucked tightly up against his side. He looks all around nervously at sounds that are normal (like the heater cutting on) and that he is used to. He will even jolt out of a light sleep to the sound of something he hears and look nervous and confused. Right now he is asleep beside me on the couch (I put him there and encouraged him to lie down) and his trembling stopped once he reached a deep sleep.

He also was excited to see the vet techs and vet, so he wasn't trembling when they were looking at him. He was actually being friendly and wagging his tail. Normally he is WAY more gregarious when meeting people, so he wasn't fully himself, but he wasn't acting like a sick dog either.

I haven't observed him eat or drink anything all day either. It is possible that he drank outside during that 45 minutes to an hour we were out and I didn't notice (when I was busy with the straw spreading), but he isn't interested in food at all.

I am just worried about the fella. He clearly is not himself at all. I hope I am doing enough. should I go back to the vet and request an xray and bloodwork at this point? I don't want to take chances, but don't want to overreact either.

I have just noticed he is congested and is swallowing hard, too. He has clear drainage from his nose.

CVFlagg
10th November 2008, 08:57 PM
I am a firm believer in "if it makes you feel better, then go." If you are stressed worrying about something else being wrong, sometimes that stress can transfer to Bandit and then you are both a mess. There have been times when I have taken mine to the vet only to find out everything was okay, but it made me feel SO much better to have it checked out.

pippa
10th November 2008, 10:48 PM
Pippin used to suffer from colitis, but he never reacted in this way(scared of things) and always had runny stools with it,usually with a bit of blood. He did act similar to this when he had an anal gland absess (the sitting away from us). If you are worried maybe you could call the vet? Hope the little boy is feeling better soon. I hate when they are sick and can't tell us whats wrong.

brotymo
11th November 2008, 01:19 AM
Hey everyone.

I called the vet after posting this afternoon, and I called the breeder. I think the clear drainage from his nose might have been a little allergy thing. It was a bit runny when he woke up, he sneezed a few times and I haven't noticed it since.
My breeder actually might have hit the nail on the head. She said he acts like he has an injury. One of her dogs jumped down off a grooming table and injured his spine though it didn't show up right away. It surfaced after it got aggravated by exercise, and his symptoms sound just like Bandit's.
Coincidentally, when we were at my breeders house a week ago Saturday, Bandit made a flying leap off the back of her couch, halfway across the room. :yikes He landed like a cat and seemed fine, but he has played like a possessed creature with Lizzie this last week. Observe:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/suziesauctions/Lizzie/IMG_8003.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/suziesauctions/Lizzie/IMG_8004.jpg

Plus, last night, he was asleep on the bed with my son, and I left him there while I went down to my room to clear the laundry off my bed to get ready to go to sleep myself. When I went up to get him, he had jumped off the bed and gone to my youngest daughter's room and was in bed with her. He was perfectly fine up to that point. I got him and took him to the bathroom which is when the strange behavior started. I wonder if he fell off my son's bed, (though he was right in the middle of a queen-sized bed) or if he jumped (which he has done a few times in the past) and that hurt him or aggravated something he did when he made his spectacular leap off the back of the couch. If he is hurting, that would explain why he startles and acts afraid. It might be he is reacting to pain, and he might be afraid if he is picked up or handled that it will hurt him. He has wanted to be close all day, but he literally falls asleep sitting up because he doesn't want to lie down.
He refused to eat or drink all day, so this evening I made some homemade chicken broth (no salt or seasonings, just a very small amount of fresh chicken and broth) so I could get liquids in him. I don't want him to dehydrate. He lapped it up, so he got nutrition and fluids. He hasn't had any diarrhea (pooped once this afternoon, normal), so I really wonder if he is in pain due to an injury???
Unfortunately, from experience I know if he did hurt his back, most things don't show on xray unless there is a compressed area.

brotymo
11th November 2008, 02:39 AM
I wonder if you can give a puppy baby aspirin? My vet said that's a miracle drug for dogs, but I don't know what the dosage would be for Bandit.

It seems like I have heard you can give aspirin, but I will wait for instructions from the vet. I would hate to do something that isn't the right treatment.


I hope Jasper will take to his little sister as well as Bandit is taking to Lizzie. They look like they're having a ball!

Lori

I bet Jasper will do just fine. He is young and will probably warm up quickly to a buddy to play with.

hbmama
11th November 2008, 06:10 AM
I am just catching up with this. Poor Bandit, and of course you would be worried that he is acting out of the ordinary. Hope all turns out okay and will keep your little on in my prayers that it is nothing serious.

brotymo
11th November 2008, 10:59 AM
Hey all. It is early here, but a couple things I noticed right away about Bandit this morning.
1. He isn't better.
2. His lymph nodes on the sides of his neck are huge. I did notice him swallowing hard yesterday.

So, I have class this morning, and then I will be running him in to the vet. I'd bring him to class with me and leave straight from there if I had somewhere to safely crate him, but I don't. Since I have to leave at 6:50 a.m to take my youngest child to her school, and still make it to class ontime myself, I will just have to take him when I get done.
I hate to wait, but I really can't miss class. He isn't acting worse, just no better, and the lymph nodes....well, I just don't know if that is new or if they were like that yesterday.
I will be worrying about him all morning. I just don't know what to think.

pippa
11th November 2008, 11:17 AM
Hope Bandit gets on ok at the vet and you find out what's wrong with him. I'll check in later when I'm home from work.

Sabby
11th November 2008, 05:00 PM
How is Bandit doing?

Sabby

brotymo
11th November 2008, 05:12 PM
Hello everyone, I am at school in my last class (waiting for professor to arrive). I've been worried about Bandit all morning. As soon as this class is over, I am going home to get him and take him back to the vet. He was the same this morning except for I have noticed the lymph nodes in his neck are very swollen. They feel huge.

He won't eat his dog food or drink water, so I have been making him a chicken/rice soup to get fluid into him (which he eats readily).

Just don't know what to think. Maybe they will run some bloodwork today.

murphy's mum
11th November 2008, 05:14 PM
Any news on Bandit? We've been thinking of him, hope everything is ok:xfngr:

Edit: Must has been typing as you posted:rolleyes:

*Pauline*
11th November 2008, 05:16 PM
That's a good idea with the chicken/rice soup. I make chicken stock for Dylan sometimes, it's a good way to get fluids in.

brotymo
11th November 2008, 07:02 PM
Hey everyone, well, I cut out of class early because I kept feeling worried about Bandit. When I got home, a very energetic, happy Bandit greeted me. He is still sniffling/sneezing, and his lymph nodes feel swollen, but not as swollen as this morning. He was ready to play all frisky with Lizzy and was eager for his chicken-rice soup. He isn't shivering, so I have decided to just watch him today since he is on antibiotics already. If he seems to have a bad night, we will go in to the vet first thing in the morning. Right now, however, he is playing rough-n-tumble with Lizzie. In fact, I will separate them in a few minutes so he won't overdo it.

I appreciate all of your suggestions and support! You all are so awesome!

coconut
11th November 2008, 07:25 PM
thats great to hear he is doing better!!

*Pauline*
11th November 2008, 07:29 PM
Oh that's good news :thmbsup: I hope he continues to improve.

Sabby
11th November 2008, 07:31 PM
Glad Bandit is feeling better. Maybe the antibiotics are starting to work.

Sabby

Cleo's Person
11th November 2008, 07:31 PM
delighted to hear that he had improved when you got home,

pippa
11th November 2008, 07:39 PM
Glad to hear he is a little better.

cy1266
11th November 2008, 08:10 PM
I'm glad to hear that Bandit is feeling better! :flwr: When Trumann hurt his back (wrestling with Miles, possibly?) he was on strict crate rest for about 10 days and was also put on Metacam, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, which did wonders for him. He was initially on Rimadyl, but after he was x-rayed he was switched to Metacam.

Have you tried keeping him crated and away from the other dogs to see if that might speed up his healing? I felt SO bad crating Truman, especially since Miles would lay by his cage, waiting for him to come out to play, but it really helped...and he didn't seem to mind it at all! :)

I'm not sure about the swollen lymph nodes though, you're lucky you're able to stay home to keep an eye on him.

brotymo
11th November 2008, 08:16 PM
He has been enthusiastic about playing for the hour and a half I have been home. He was excited when the bus brought home my daughter. and extroverted again. He also ate regular dog food, too. I take all of those to be signs that he is back on the road to recovery. I am very much relieved.

Sandrac
12th November 2008, 04:43 PM
Glad to hear that Bandit is recovering. :flwr: What frights these little ones give us.:eek:

cosmic81
12th November 2008, 09:56 PM
i am so glad to hear that he is finally feeling better! poor baby!!

diddy
12th November 2008, 09:58 PM
Pleased to hear Bandit is feeling so much better now.

Cathy Moon
13th November 2008, 01:16 AM
What a relief to read about his turn for the better! Whew! I kept thinking about him today at work...

India has twice had soft tissue injuries to her shoulder area from playing too rough with Geordie. Like you, we have a very large fenced back yard, and they can really build up speed when running full force. Perhaps he had a collision or turned too violently. I would let him rest in an x-pen for at least 2-3 days, and prevent any rough-housing so he can heal. It will seem like an eternity, but worth it as a precaution.

I sprained my wrist years ago and can still feel it today if I lift something too heavy. You might want to make sure he heals as much as possible so he won't re-injure himself.

Anyways, I'm so relieved that he is eating again and has stopped shaking. Give him an extra little hug from all of us! :lotsaluv:

brotymo
13th November 2008, 05:49 PM
Thanks everyone. I do appreciate the thoughts.

Cathy, it seems that it wasn't an injury after all. He had very swollen lymph nodes. (they are still swollen, but much smaller) He also is congested and sneezing. His energy is back, though and his appetite.
I will have to post some pictures I took of him chasing the leaves in the yard yesterday afternoon when i get a few spare minutes. None are particularly great quality (blurred b/c of his high action!) but they show his crazy antics. He was in "hog heaven" and didn't want to come inside. I had to make him!

Jan Bell
13th November 2008, 06:30 PM
:lotsaluv: So very pleased to hear that Bandit is feeling better. He will be taking down that stuffed dog again soon!