View Full Version : Bandit and Lizzie both real sick
4th December 2008, 02:00 AM
Well, I just got back from the vet a little while ago.
I really don't know what has happened, but both of the babies went from appearing to be fine after lunch to deathly ill by mid-afternoon. They were fine this morning. I left them at 10 to take my son to the dentist, got home at 1:30 and they were fine. They wanted to go outside and play, so I let them and they stayed out running, tussling and playing for about an hour. They wanted in for about 30 minutes, still fine, and then went back out until about 3. They came in, seemed okay, but a little tired looking. I came back into the kitchen where they were a few minutes later and there was a huge puddle of diarhea in the floor. I was still cleaning that up when my two older children got off the bus. The dogs went to greet them, and my daughter immediately asked why Bandit was drooling so bad. "uh-oh" was my first thought. Then my daughter said Lizzie was drooling, too. Well, within 5 minutes Lizzie had vomited and Bandit was outside trying to poop again, followed by Lizzie trying, unsuccessfully to poop. After seeing black walnut shell and nut pieces in Lizzie's vomit, I decided we'd better head for the vet. At that point, the vet would only be open another hour and I prefered to go to them and not the emergency vet (which is quite a drive and quite an expense). In the car on the way to the vet, Bandit vomited.
After seeing them and hearing what was going on, the vet wanted to admit them and put them on I.V.'s since they are so small, yet NOONE is even in their office from 7 pm to 7 am, and it was alreaady 5:30 pm by this time. I just felt that wasn't good. They both drank quite a bit of water, but threw up within 5 minutes of drinking it there at the vet's. After bloodwork that showed no liver or kidney problems, the vet said that he felt if I could keep them drinking and hydrated, they could come home. He gave them a shot of Reglin (for nausea), and gave me more pills for later, plus put them on antibiotics.
I have to take them to the emergency vet immediately during the night if they stop drinking and keep vomiting and having diarrhea. I just don't know what is wrong or has happened to them. I am wondering if it is the walnuts. I have two HUGE trees just over my back fence that are raining walnuts right now. I understand a fungus that grows on the shells when they get wet gives off a toxin, and this is what is bad for dogs. The vet wasn't sure that was the problem. They went from fine to really sick in the matter of a couple of hours. I don't know of anything else they would have gotten into.
I am worried to death about them. Right now they are both asleep, drooling all over themselves and Bandit didn't even want a little bit of chicken and rice (I was trying to get him to take a pill). I can't even feel okay about going to bed, and I have class in the morning, so I will have to leave them. (Last day of classes before finals next week, so I can't miss. Too much important info is being given out).
I just am worried and hoping we get through the night okay.
4th December 2008, 02:16 AM
It's probably the walnuts, which have toxic mold/fungus inside. Do you have a full service animal hospital or vet school anywhere near? That's what I would opt for, especially because they are both babies. :xfngr::xfngr::paw::paw::paw: Hoping they'll be ok.
4th December 2008, 07:52 AM
Oh dear, poor things, I'd leave them at the vet in the morning, I wouldn't be happy with them being on their own if you have to go out. Let us know how you get on.
4th December 2008, 08:04 AM
I would leave them at the vets while u have class or with a friend so that if it gets worse they can take them to the vet.
Am keeping :xfngr: for the wee poppets.
Keep us updated.
4th December 2008, 09:39 AM
Poor Bandit & Lizzie, and you must have gotten an awful fright :hug:
Hope they are feeling better soon. Keep us updated :flwr::flwr:
4th December 2008, 10:18 AM
Poor Bandit & Lizzie!! i hope they are feeling ok soon. keeping my :xfngr: they get better quickly.
4th December 2008, 10:35 AM
Hope it isn’t anything serious and they have a quick recovery. :xfngr:
4th December 2008, 12:26 PM
Poor little loves. :xfngr: they feel better very soon.
4th December 2008, 02:07 PM
Thinking about you & your babies. Please let us know how they are doing today.
4th December 2008, 02:43 PM
Any news of the babies?
4th December 2008, 02:57 PM
Hi everyone and thanks for the messages of concern. I felt okay to leave them this morning since the last time anyone vomited was about 7 p.m. Last night they were really nauseated for several more hours, but they did drink water and it stayed down. They just drooled buckets and laid there, but couldn't seem to get comfy. They both try to poop, but only a very small bit of watery poop comes out. I think this may be that there just isn't anything in their tummies, not neccessarily any blockage. They probably have tummy aches. I could hear Lizzie's squeaking and grumbling last night.
I stayed up with them offering them water and cooked some chicken and rice gruel (very watery to help hydrate them) They wouldn't even touch that for hours. Finally, about 11 last night after a long rest, they smelled the chicken and both very eagerly ate some (didn't give much, just about 1/4 cup each at the most, including the watery part). I wanted them to keep it down, so I didn't let them to eat more even though they wanted it. They were still very wiped out, but they did get up and follow me around for a bit and peed and stopped drooling. Lizzie even got a little playful.They slept well and didn't have to go out during the night. I have to get up at 5, so it was a short night for them to wait anyway. Lizzie was happy to get up and was playful. She ate some dog food, and drank and socialized with us like normal. Bandit, on the other hand still isn't himself. He slept for a while longer after Lizzie got up, drank some and went out to potty. No luck pooping, but he tried, and he wanted to say "hi" to the big doggies, too (he worships them), which was better than last night. He really just wanted to rest, though, mostly, so I let him be. They are still not okay yet, but seem to be improving. I am going to have to spend several hours with the kids and rakes getting up the thousands and thousands of walnuts. THere are actually three mature, huge trees in the field behind my house and every other year they drop nuts like rain. One tree in particular sits right on the fence line and most of the nuts end up in my yard. Only Kaya has eaten them in the past, and she only ate the ones without the husk thingy (that covers the shell). I understand that the danger is the fungus that grows under that husk on the shell when the nuts get moist. Even though I have no idea if the nuts were the culprit, I am going to get them up anyway to be safe. They definitely were throwing up nut pieces, though I noticed nut shell pieces in perfectly normal poop of Lizzie's last week. The difference could be the amount of rain we had this last week may have made the shells grow that fungus, though. So, no puppy play outside without direct, diligent supervision.
Cross your fingers that everyone is even better when I get home. Bandit is the only one I am really still concerned for.
I lined the floor with potty pads and left them napping when I came to class. I hope to have bright eyed babies meet me at the door in a couple of hours.
I sure do appreciate your support. Where else can I go and have people interested in my dog's recycled stomach contents and bowel movements :eek: ?
You all rock!
Well, gotta run to class.
4th December 2008, 03:44 PM
I have everything crossed for you that you do have two bright eyed well puppies to go home to :flwr:
4th December 2008, 03:56 PM
Your pups were "lucky"-looking around the web found a lot on walnut fungus and dogs from really sick to lethal. Going to be hard to keep those picked up,esp if they still have the covers on them. Good luck with the "pick up" and getting better :hug:. Every season seems to have a different challenge-and a lot of time it isn't even what's grown in your yard but what falls or blows into it :eek:. :xfngr: for a good day.
4th December 2008, 04:01 PM
Keeping fingers crossed that Bandit & Lizzie will be much better when you get home :xfngr:
4th December 2008, 08:12 PM
I hope they continue to improve, keep us posted! :xfngr::xfngr:
4th December 2008, 08:15 PM
I am thinking about you and praying for Bandit and Lizzie :hug:
4th December 2008, 09:12 PM
So pleased they are a bit better .:xfngr: they both feel better really soon. Good luck with the walnut hunting.
4th December 2008, 09:25 PM
My fingers are crossed they get better soon.:xfngr: keep us posted!
4th December 2008, 09:38 PM
They are definitely feeling better now. Lizzie is better than Bandit, though neither of them have pooped since late yesterday, though they have tried a few times. Bandit is dragging his butt some, but he doesn't seem in pain and he actually had a mini-wrestling match with Lizzie about an hour ago. They have those horrendous sick-dog farts right now, though. I'm giving them really little servings of chicken and rice every couple hours so I don't overload their stomachs. I think we are gonna be okay, I will just feel better when they get over this completely. Thanks everyone for the support. Lizzie and Bandit send a big woof your way.
4th December 2008, 09:43 PM
So sorry to hear what you have been through the last 24 hours, glad things are looking a little better now..hugs to your little ones.
4th December 2008, 10:31 PM
Oh goodness that's really scary for you :( poor wee souls - I hope they are much better now.
Could you separate off that part of the garden - maybe just temporarily with wire netting?
4th December 2008, 10:58 PM
I hope both your babies continue to improve, get well soon Lizzie and Bandit, big hugs from us too
4th December 2008, 11:43 PM
I'm glad they are feeling better. :flwr:
5th December 2008, 12:27 AM
I'\d never heard of walnut fungus -- that's sure all sounded very scary. I'd probably put up a second fence maybe that keeps them well away during the time of year when the nuts drop? Thanks for posting about this as I am sure many people will never have thought about walnuts as a problem. :eek:
5th December 2008, 01:31 AM
Thanks everyone. We are steady improving. Bandit is playing with Lizzie right now and she finally had a normal bowel movement a short while ago. They are acting nice and perky.
The temporary fence suggested by Nicki and Karlin might be something to think about. Maybe even a permanent, seperate part with a big gate I can drive the mower thru so I can close it off when the nuts come down, but leave it open after they are gotten up. I've lived here 4 years and they have fallen twice, so it seems to go in 2 year cycles.
The part that bothers me is the chance that it wasn't the nuts after all and might be something else undiscovered. I saw nothing else when they vomited but food, water and the nuts and shells, and very few nuts and shells in Bandit's at that. Lizzie had more in hers and Bandit was sicker for longer. It could just be she threw most of hers up and Bandit didn't so it affected him worse. I don't know, but I need to protect against the walnuts anyway since they can be dangerous and I know the dogs are messing with them.
Well, gotta put kids to bed and study...
5th December 2008, 02:10 AM
Your pups have been on my mind today! We had a similar problem with 2 huge oak trees and acorns. India and Geordie were youngsters and kept eating them and getting sick. A veterinarian behaviorist did a home visit and told us there would be no way to train them to leave the acorns alone. We finally sold our house and moved!!!
If you can, it sounds like a good idea to keep them away from the walnut area.
If Bandit doesn't have a stool soon, you may have to look into whether or not he has a blockage.
5th December 2008, 03:08 AM
Bandit finally pooped! Yay! It wasn't all nicely formed, but it was a vast improvement over yesterday, so I can happily get the blockage worries off my mind. I was a bit worried that he'd swallowed large pieces of shell that had formed a blockage, but I know now that isn't the case.
5th December 2008, 09:02 AM
5th December 2008, 11:35 AM
Gald to hear all seems well..could you fence off the end of your garden at all..we had to do that because of the dogs eating stuff that falls from neighbours trees in the winter. We open it up again in summer.
5th December 2008, 07:12 PM
glad to hear the good news!!
5th December 2008, 10:28 PM
Bandit finally pooped! Yay!
Run out :rah:the flags.
Isn't it wonderful just what it takes to make a dog owner happy.
May tomorrow's little offering be firm & well formed, and may both your babies continue to improve.
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