View Full Version : Rosie-Not Good News Its Patella A Problem

Brian M
12th March 2009, 03:35 PM

Just back from the vets and poor little Rosie has to have an op on her back left leg ,her kneecap pops out ,so help and advice pls or point me in the right direction to read up.:(

12th March 2009, 03:57 PM
This is a luxating patella -- do a search as there are lots of threads on this as well as a thread in the Library heath section including some previous threads about people's experience with the surgery -- she will need lots of crate rest in the weeks following but hopefully then all will be sorted. Did your vet tell you the grade?

12th March 2009, 03:58 PM
I'm really sorry to hear that Brian.Poor girl must really be feeling it.
More to the point are you ok? It must have come as a bit of a shock.

Brian M
12th March 2009, 04:07 PM

No the vet did not mention the grade ,and not knowing anything only having vaguely heard the phrase I had no knowledge to ask ,poor Rosie was trembling so I was hardly listening just thinking about her.
Thank You.I will have a good search and read but its seems better hearing from people whose dogs may have unfortunately have been through this ,but Archie did say the operation will progress in severity depending on what they find ,they may try stitches or have to put a groove in the bone :confused: I think but not sure.

12th March 2009, 04:08 PM
Poor little Roise :( - Ive read up lots about it on this site between the library and the general search function.
Do you know when she will have the surgery?

Brian M
12th March 2009, 04:54 PM
Hi Louise

Yes its next Wednesday ,but I think I will get the fabric crate out tonight and move her upstairs by my bed to keep her happier and of course me.:(

12th March 2009, 05:03 PM
Poor Rosie, but I'm sure she will feel much better once she's had surgery. :flwr:
My first Cav - Lady - had to have both her back patellas done when she was just over a year old (which was just over 18 years ago:eek:). She would be running along and then they would both slip out and she just collapsed. After surgery she did really well and was able to run about with no problems.

12th March 2009, 05:06 PM
your right, Id try to limit her activity as much as possible until she's done. The poor little pet - give her a big kiss from me :lotsaluv:

12th March 2009, 07:37 PM
Poor Rosie. At least you know what the problem is, and it is something that can be dealt with surgically. Scary I know, but I'm sure she'll make a good recovery. I'll be sending all my positive thoughts your way for Wednesday.

Take care of yourself and little Rosie.:hug::hug:

12th March 2009, 07:54 PM
What a worrying time you are having, but at least Rosie has been diagnosed & the surgery will soon put her to rights again :xfngr: Its just a horrible thing to have to go thro for you & her.
How is Poppy today, you must feel you are living at the vets!

12th March 2009, 08:45 PM
So sorry to hear this, hopefully the surgery will sort things out for her and she'll be right as rain before you know it.

Poor little girl..sending her hugs from us.

12th March 2009, 09:40 PM
aw, poor Rosie. It is terrible how many things are wrong with this precious breed. At least this one has a surgical fix! I hope it goes well.

Brian M
12th March 2009, 10:27 PM
Questions and answers again pls ,only just got in from L/pool and Lukes Shotokan and the girls always come with me so far have had no time to read anything but Poppy has had a couple of biscuits and a few treats so I think shes on the mend though we do have another vets appointment at 5.50.PM as a back stop so will see what develops over the next 20 hours.

Now advice on this pls while I was sitting in my car waiting for Luke for the last 2 1/2 hours I phoned Rosies breeder a nice lady from Barnsley she is also a Cav and a Charlie judge she performed three weeks ago in Reading and her comments were .If an L P happens which none of her Cavs has though she says its more common in Charlie's which she also breeds ,shows and judges she would have thought Rosie would have developed her problem generally between 9-12 months so she is late it occurring now with Rosie being 1 1/2 yrs and she also thinks that as there was no sign before and some vets are quick to refer to the knife in her opinion too quick she suggested I observe Rosie over the week - end and if shes fine to cancel the op .
I am now totally confused money is not a problem Rosie is all I want is the best for her and to not suffer what may be an unnecessary op .

What shall I do big help pls.:confused:

ps she does lick and chew her back feet a lot

12th March 2009, 10:29 PM
Sorry to hear about poor Rosie. Will be thinking of you next Wednesday. Meanwhile sending gentle cuddles to Rosie, a cuddle for Poppy (hope those antibiotics have done the trick for her).

12th March 2009, 11:32 PM
Dear Brian, I'm so sorry. I've heard the operation where they make a groove in the bone has a high success rate. :hug:

13th March 2009, 03:34 AM

I am a surgeon in the US, so here are my thoughts:

. A medial patellar luxation is a very common problem. There is not really a specific age to diagnose it. This whole business about "being late" is just not accurate (with all due respect).
. You can read about it on my web site, so you can educate yourself (for free).
. The success rate with surgery is EXTREMELY HIGH.... in the right hands.
. It scares me that they're "gonna try sutures first." Again, with all due respect. I don't think that's appropriate. I would say that most patellar luxations would benefit from a tibial crest transposition. If they don't do that, you shouldn't go there. Deepening the groove and adding sutures if typically not enough.
. You seemed scared and confused because you're getting 50 different opinions. That's OK, there is no emergency situation here.
. So what would I suggest? That you seek a referral to a board-certified surgeon, and trust them.
. This is where it gets very confusing for our friends in the UK and Ireland. There, a "veterinary surgeon" is a vet.

. What I mean is, you should get a 2nd opinion from a SURGEON, ie someone who does surgery ONLY (for example, I fixed 4 patellas just in the past 2 weeks!). So, ideally, a board-certified surgeon, either ECVS or ACVS certified.

. There is no way to be confused, these are the only letters you should be looking for. There are plenty of board-certified surgeons around.

. ECVS = European College of Veterinary Surgeons
. ACVS = American College of Veterinary Surgeons

. As a conclusion, patella surgery is not hard to do. It's hard to do well.

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Good luck and keep us posted.

drphilzeltzman (doggie surgeon in the US)
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13th March 2009, 03:57 AM
Please keep us posted on poor Rosie. My Bella also has Luxating Patellas on her hind legs. One is a grade 3, I think, which is where it pops out with just walking, and other activities, but its not slowing her down yet! The other is only a grade 1-2, it will pop out if she jumps off the couch or leaps for something, and can be manipulated by her vet. We have an orthopaedic surgeon that will be doing her surgery. We have to wait until I can get a full week off work to be able to keep her crated and short leash walks to potty. I am planning it in the next 2 months. She is very active and doesn't see to be in pain, so the vet said it was ok to wait for a bit. But not long enough for it to do further damage. I have been reading lots of info as well, but I hearing first hand, from members! Its very helpful!
Good luck! I do agree with the Dr. about finding a board certified surgeon to do it. If your going to pay that much for surgery, it needs to be done right the first time. My vet told me they do a few LP repairs a year, but that she would take her own dog to a surgeon! That was all I needed to hear! GIve hugs to Rosie from Bella and I !!! :flwr:

Jan Bell
13th March 2009, 09:43 AM
Hi Brian,

Sorry to hear about Rosie. Can't say I know much about LP but I did think that they were quite common in Cavaliers.

Seems that you have had some good advice above, so perhaps you could get a second opinion before proceeding with anything. On the bright side, it sounds like it is a solvable problem if you can get the right surgeon to operate, and no drastic hurry (although of course, none of us like to see our dogs in any discomfort).

Keep us posted, and will catch up with you later.

Best wishes,

Margaret C
13th March 2009, 11:59 AM

I have sent you a PM

Margaret C

amanda L
13th March 2009, 12:03 PM
Poor little Rosie, hope everything will go well for her:flwr:

14th March 2009, 02:04 AM
Now advice on this pls while I was sitting in my car waiting for Luke for the last 2 1/2 hours I phoned Rosies breeder a nice lady from Barnsley she is also a Cav and a Charlie judge she performed three weeks ago in Reading and her comments were .If an L P happens which none of her Cavs has
ps she does lick and chew her back feet a lot

Brian was wondering how Rosie and Poppy were, and had you come to any decisions?

Not knowing Rosie's breeder I do not want to be too critical, but It always appears to me that Breeders say " This has never happend before, not in my lines" how do they know? It is impossible to keep track of every single puppy that a breeder has bred, unless of course it is just one litter.

I hope anyway Brian that you are able to get help and support from the experienced surgeons who specialise in this area.

My thoughts are with you.

14th March 2009, 01:50 PM
Good Luck with Rosie, Brian! :) How is she doing now? Is it still popping out?

Kosmo was about 1 1/2 when he went poop and yelped and started limping. NO idea how that set him off, but it did. He didn't show any symptoms before that, but after it, he didn't stop so we had to go ahead with the surgery. Thankfully it was a huge success.


14th March 2009, 09:07 PM
Brian--just wanted to say "thinking about you". I know you love your dogs like I love mine. It shows. Hugs to you. I haven't posted much on here since my ordeal. Still hard days.

Brian M
14th March 2009, 09:29 PM
And thanks to all ,Rosie's fine had them all on the beach early this morning before the groomers at 10.00 am and Daisy was madly chasing Rosie all around with no problem at all ,linderbelle you must be going through a horrid time our thoughts and wishes to you ,pls post when you feel up to it and let us all know how things are developing

Chin up and Warmest Wishes