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Katelyn
13th March 2009, 06:41 PM
I recently found out that a woman I know wants to breed her Cav. She's a bit old and would only be breeding her because she thinks she'd enjoy the puppies and probably for money. She is a nice lady but when it comes to dogs she a bit..dim! her cav is never ever brought to the vet I know this for a fact,she probably around two maybe 3 by the way. If she was to breed her she wouldn't get her health checked or anything she thinks things like that are a waste of time. Now I need a lot of ammunition to convince her this would be a bad idea and also to convince her theres a bit of a minefield breeding cavs at the moment. So im going to try gather as much information as possible maybe to do with people being able to sue her or the danger to the puppies then go talk to her.
so all info is very welcome! I'd hate to see her breed this dog without all the relevent info and honestly I dont think the dog would be up to it.

update:I also managed to find out that the puppies would be kept in a shed outside not inside...I feel like a detective!

Kate H
13th March 2009, 06:57 PM
Tell her horror stories about all the things that can go wrong! A common virus (hepatitis?) can cause all the puppies to fade in the womb and mean lots of vet's fees. Eclampsia can leave you handrearing the whole litter. An out of hours caesarian can cost a fortune. Or you may only get a couple of puppies anyway, and by the time they've been checked and vaccinated etc that's not going to make anyone a fortune! Not to mention how much sheer hard work puppies are...

Why will people do this?!

Kate, Oliver and Aled

frecklesmom
13th March 2009, 07:07 PM
If her female has MVD she could lose her from the stress of labor and I'm sure there would be a lot of stress on a pregnant dog with SM. Just knowing she would need to see specialists to rule these out might cause her to have second thoughts.

lorebringer
13th March 2009, 08:23 PM
I would go the cost and hard work route - not to mention the "pull on the heartstring" about her own pet. She obviously isn't concerned with vaxes but keeping puppies alive can be VERY pricey - if one gets sick (and this is quite common) it could cost her a fortune in vet fees. Mum may need a c-section and all the check-ups for her. And wormer for pups and mum. It's an expensive little game. Not to mention food for mum and pups (it's shocking how much they all eat - mum is like a bottomless pit while she is nursing, and in the last few weeks of pregnancy, not to mention the food the pups will eat after weaning).

And of course, all the cleaning up after a litter of pups, all running around the place when they get going and pooing/peeing as they go (very pleasent!). Or what if mum rejects pups and/or has problems feeding (it's not all as smooth as so many people think!), hand rearing is not all fun and games - up at all hours, the stress is they don't eat, toileting, the cost of milk replacement...

Mum is open to loads of different problems suring the pregnancy, and afterwards (Eclempsia was already mentioned); mastitis, infections of her uterus, problems in labour, dead pups, problems clearing afterwards, the stress of pregnancy and birth, she may not be suited for breeding or motherhood (there is no way of knowing!) and have problems from day one with conception to litter size/pup size to rearing them, and this is all presuming she is being kept a very close eye on with knowlege of what to look out for and what red flags mean straight to the vet.

Maybe encourage her to talk to a vet about it all and give her a quote of baisic maintenance of mum and pups - that will definately get rid of the thoughts of money making! Good luck with this though - hope she changes her mind :thmbsup:

brotymo
13th March 2009, 09:38 PM
Let them read this story here:

http://www.kingswaycavaliers.com/inlovingmemory.cfm

And the details of what happened here:

http://www.kingswaycavaliers.com/2specialthanks.cfm

This was a dog that my breeder bred (she was related to both Bandit and Lizzie) and the very sad story of a pregnancy gone wrong.

sins
13th March 2009, 11:02 PM
I don't think she's the sort of person who cares about the health of the puppies or her bitch for that matter.
Maybe try it from the financial angle.
Cavaliers don't have big litters,by the time the stud fee is covered and vets bills and advertising costs she could be stuck with pups in the shed,eating all around them.Rescues are full of them and you hear that they couldn't be given away in the current climate,not to mention the cost of dog licences:eek:
Sins

SamT
16th March 2009, 07:37 PM
To be honest she sounds like the type of person who wont listen no matter what you told her. If she doesnt even bring her cav to the vet then she must be wanting to breed for the money not the love of dogs. Point out everything to her and hope she takes it all in and gets some sense but alas she may not.