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*Pauline*
26th March 2009, 06:58 PM
Dylan has had an upset tummy recently with colitis. I fed him rice and chicken and I gave him antibiotics and Pro-Kolin. After 10 days, the diarrhea stopped for two days then came back for two days. His stools are almost back to normal now (the right colour but a little soft) but has little white tiny dots in it.

My question is, could this be the rice, Pro-Kolin or worm eggs? I don't know what worm eggs look like or if dogs pass them. I'm worried to de-worm him so soon after the colitis.

linderbelle
26th March 2009, 07:35 PM
Sorry that Dylan is under the weather again. I don't have a clue Pauline. Why don't you give your vet a ring. I know alot of us hate to bother our doctors etc. but thats what we pay them for. I'm getting better at ringing mine--lol. Hope he gets better soon. I'm also aware that your vet is probably closed by now though.

*Pauline*
26th March 2009, 07:59 PM
Thanks Linda. I am leaning towards it being the rice now. As I washed the sieve it also had white dots from the rice. I hope that's all it is.

Believe it or not, if you google "worms" "dog" and "poo" you don't get any pictures!!!

frecklesmom
26th March 2009, 08:18 PM
Ah, Pauline, if you want pictures :eek: try here

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dog%20worms%20pictures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

My dogs that chew nylabones often have small white bits in their stools.

LovesCavaliers
26th March 2009, 08:37 PM
I've seen everything now lol:D

Margaret C
26th March 2009, 08:47 PM
I would think it is the rice.

Hope he stays well & then you can think about worming him.

Margaret C

*Pauline*
26th March 2009, 09:08 PM
frecklesmom, that's the search I did too. I didn't see anything that looked like a worm in his poo.

Margaret, when I rinsed the sieve I used for the rice, there were little white dots in that too so I could be the rice.

Poor fella, it's always something.

pippa
26th March 2009, 09:21 PM
I often see white bits in the poo when I give mine rice.

I usually worm mine every three months as a precaution and 'touch wood' it seems to work.

Hope Dylan is well soon..Pippin used to suffer from bad colitis and it's very upsetting for them.

merlinsmum
26th March 2009, 11:11 PM
Merlin has just had colitis aswell! I gave him the anitbiotics, prokalin and royal canin sensitive wet food - worked a treat - though at £1.80 a can I should hope so :)

*Pauline*
26th March 2009, 11:17 PM
My old vet would only sell me Royal Canin tins in trays of 12, it cost me a fortune, and it didn't work. I have quite a few tins left and when the vet was collecting for the RSPCA I offered them the tins but they wouldn't take them as they were prescription food. How silly!

I'm glad Merlin is better now :)

merlinsmum
26th March 2009, 11:26 PM
Pauline, I only had to buy one can, my vet prescribed no food for 24 hours, then the wet food in 4 small meals over a 24 hour period in conjunction with the antiboitics and prokaolin.

I'm due down to london in april - down to mitcham - perhaps I could stop by and pick it up - Merlin loved it! it would be good for a tasty topper!

Cathy Moon
27th March 2009, 02:14 AM
I think it's probably the rice too...

Oh that would be great if Kirsty could take the Royal Canin prescription food off your hands so it won't go to waste. :thmbsup:

I just thought of something that was suggested to me when Geordie had digestive problems - I tried it, and it did help - mix a small amount of plain psyllium husk fiber (not sweetened or flavored) into his canned dog food. Somehow this helps firm up the stools.

Also, have you tried canned green tripe? I swear by it! :thmbsup: I don't know what is in it that works, but it does! I think perhaps digestive enzymes?

PS: I moved your thread to the Health forum, as other members can more quickly and easily look up similar health problems and learn from your experience.

HollyDolly
27th March 2009, 02:46 AM
Also, have you tried canned green tripe? I swear by it! :thmbsup: I don't know what is in it that works, but it does! I think perhaps digestive enzymes?


Who makes canned green tripe Cathy, never seen it in the UK

Cathy Moon
27th March 2009, 03:44 AM
I buy Tripett's beef green tripe, which is available in US and Canada.
http://www.tripett.com/

In UK, can you buy frozen green tripe if it isn't available in cans? Of course then you'd have to boil it, I believe.

linderbelle
27th March 2009, 04:13 AM
I give all my dogs extra fiber--in the a.m. I give a pinch of something like "benefiber" and then also I take a couple of shredded wheat and crunch up and throw in there. They think they're cookies. Make sure its not sugar coated etc. Just the plain. My doggies poos are nice--lol.

Ciren
27th March 2009, 01:28 PM
chappie ftw :D

*Pauline*
27th March 2009, 01:38 PM
Back to the vets today and probably lab tests which cost £50. He is producing yellow poo again. I'm thinking of trimming his bum so I don't have to keep washing him. His hair is quite long and it lays on the ground and he poops on top of it. A normal dry poo would just fall off when he gets up, but it's not the case with the slop that's coming out.

Jan Bell
27th March 2009, 01:43 PM
His hair is quite long and it lays on the ground and he poops on top of it.


I have this problem with Rufus, who tends to have a delicate tummy. I've trimmed some of his rear end fur which has helped, but I never go out without a few emergency tissues.

*Pauline*
27th March 2009, 02:03 PM
I never go out without a few emergency tissues.

It is really awkward with tissues though isn't it. As soon as I try to pull any mess off, it gets more stuck :yuk:

linderbelle
27th March 2009, 02:57 PM
Its frustrating isn't it. I've sure learned off of my experience to never have a dog without having insurance. I sure hope Dylan gets back to his old self soon. Let us know when you return from the vet. Hugs to you both.

Jan Bell
27th March 2009, 03:27 PM
It is really awkward with tissues though isn't it. As soon as I try to pull any mess off, it gets more stuck :yuk:


Yes, not ideal - but Rufus refuses to walk any further when he has anything stuck on him - from dog poo to a clinging twig! He just stops and looks at me as if to say "sort it out then".

Hope Dylan gets better soon.

*Pauline*
27th March 2009, 05:24 PM
from dog poo to a clinging twig! He just stops and looks at me as if to say "sort it out then".

:lol:

Just back from the vet. I was given three weeks of antibiotics and I already bought Pro-Kolin online so he has to have that with a diet of rice and fish or chicken and fish.

tupup
27th March 2009, 05:25 PM
Ruby has colitis aswell sometimes so bad she's produced blood(a lot)from her back end. Vet used to have to keep giving her injections& tablets until last october i started her on pooch&mutt bionic biotic www.poochandmutt.com (http://www.poochandmutt.com) since then she's had very mild upset tummy about 3times,the improvement has been fab! it says to sprinkle over food but i give it in my hand just before feeding. Rubes loves it & cant seem to get it in quick enough! ive also kept her on the holland&barrett wheat bran the vet had recommended. i hope this helps:)

a pack of wet wipes& anti bacterial hand wash used to always be in my pocket for clean ups on walks LOl:thmbsup:

Cathy Moon
27th March 2009, 10:43 PM
You might want to ask your vet if Dylan is developing a pancreatic insufficiency. Maybe they could try him on enzymes. Yellow poo is a symptom of that.

Do you have access to any commercial frozen raw diets in UK? That could possibly help him too.

*Pauline*
28th March 2009, 12:29 AM
Thanks Tupup, that looks good but Chappie has been really good for Dylan, dry food always upsets his tummy. We will be weaning him back onto that as soon as we get 3 days of firm stools.

Thanks Cathy, I'll look into enzymes. I don't like the idea of raw.

merlinsmum
28th March 2009, 12:40 AM
Pauline you can get natures menu nuggets over hear now which is a raw food but frozen in convenient nuggets... might be worth a try

tupup
28th March 2009, 12:51 AM
i didnt mention Pauline its about 1 teaspoon full only for a 5kg dog sprinkled over normal food or mixed in, i didnt make that clear sorry. the reason i give it by hand 1st is only cos Rubes sometimes doesnt bother to eat her meal & it would all be going to waste but giving it 1st i know shes had it:) its great that you can get yours to eat chappie ive been told thats best if theyve got poorly tum, but she wouldnt touch it!

*Pauline*
28th March 2009, 01:53 AM
tupup, I must be looking at the wrong thing? It looks like a big bag of food on the link you gave, is this a powder?

He is getting a prebiotic which is in his Pro-Kolin. Never sure what the difference is between a prebiotic and a probiotic.

*Pauline*
28th March 2009, 01:58 AM
Kirsty, I don't agree with raw feeding. In theory yes but I don't think our meat is safe uncooked nowadays. And not after Dylan got infected with campylobacter. We don't know where he got it from as I am super hygienic in the home but it can come from raw chicken.

meljoy
28th March 2009, 12:50 PM
Hi Pauline,
Just caught up on this link. Im sorry Dylan is having a rough time.......Just wanted to send hugs and brotherly love from Leo.

Mel:luv:

sins
28th March 2009, 01:31 PM
Prebiotics are a kind of fibre that trigger the growth of beneficial bacteria in the large intestine.
Probiotics are actual live bacteria contained in the food we eat. They can (sometimes)remain intact throughout the digestive process, and make it to the large intesting where they grow and flourish and help regulate the intestines.

I think Dylan has had a lot of antibiotics Pauline. Antibiotics kill disease causing bacteria and the beneficial bacteria as well ,upsetting the balance of the flora in the large intestine.
I think he would certainly benefit from probiotics.
You can do this in a few ways.
Your health food shop can give you freeze dried probiotics in capsule form from a non dairy source.(If he has colitis keep him away from dairy products like yogurts).
I know I've said this before but a premium hypoallergenic food like Arden Grange may help.A dry dog food should almost always produce a more compact stool than a wet food, but AG produce a wet food as well (but without the probiotic). The probiotic wouldn't survive the heat in the canning process.
This food also contains chondroitin and glucosamine for joint health.
They do canned tripe as well and you can literally choose a yeast free,red meat free,dairy free,soya free,gluten free diet and avoid trigger foods without paying a fortune for the food.
Anyway, I hope the poor boy recovers and feels better soon.It's so stressful sitting under them when they're sick.
Sins

tupup
30th March 2009, 11:16 PM
sorry for the delay in a reply Pauline,i stayed off my computer for the weekend cos i felt i was neglecting Rubes!:) Im glad Sins explained the diff between pre & pro biotics i couldnt have! you were on the right picture with pooch&mutt im sure,it does look like a big bag of dry food, i get the 500g bag, its kind of bits the size of rice grains ish. like i said its 1teaspoon per 5kg of dogs weight daily.it says on the pack "complementary food for dogs, created to maintain optimum digestive health & a fully functioning immune system" it really has helped Ruby & i promise im not on a commision!
i hope Dylan is feeling better already Gx