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Brian M
11th June 2009, 10:32 PM
Hi
What are members answers to above and food I can buy in the UK ,I have tried R C ,Burns and now on Arden Grange and have been looking at Fromms who advise me just feed their kibble and no need for fillers like green beans ,broccoli and carrot which I now feed.
Just weighed all three and they have all put on weight and we have just got back from the shore and a good hard hours walk ,its getting to me all I want for them is the best but this weight is depressing ,Help.
Pops only gets 20gr of kibble in the morning and evening both topped up with veg and a squirt of salmon oil a scoop of keepers mix a teasppon of natural bran a small bite size shredded wheat and a teaspoon of low cal probiotic yog and I am thinking of starting manuka honey ,but I am going wrong somewhere i know they need more exercise but i do what i can

tupup
11th June 2009, 10:56 PM
Hiya,
Have you asked the vet Brian what they would advise? It seems vets are pretty *into* weight loss for pets so maybe they could help?:-)

Brian M
11th June 2009, 11:08 PM
hI TUPUP

sorry I find vets just give the same advice cut down on food and go up on exercise ,have done both also had them checked over for any biological reason but no ,so I thought if I could poll opinion as food for Cavs people are so different on what they feed and how much ,if I could go with a really top quality food to start with in pref a low cal one and start again do I add this and that like I am or just nothing but kibble and as Pops only get 20 gr x 2 that makes her daily 40 gr now would that be dangerosly low ,I dont know so any answers appreciated . :confused:

diddy
12th June 2009, 12:19 AM
Hi Brian, According to my new pups diet sheet, the breeder advises
"At 6/8 months combine the 2 remaining meat meals, thereafter your pup should have the following for life;-

1 Tablespoon hard biscuit, 4 to 6 ozs of meat, 1 Vitamin tablet.

Products used: Biscuit =Pedigree Petfoods Lamb n Veg/Royal Canin CKCS.

Meat = Pedigree Petfoods "Ceasar" or fresh uncooked beef mince.

Vitamins = Vetzyme with Garlic.

One Bonio type biscuit for bedtime.

Though I have to say that Amber,who is currently staying with me much prefers James Wellbeloved Lamb/Rice or Turkey/Rice sachets with JW Duck n Rice kibble. I also throw in whatever veggies/rice or pasta that happens to be left over from our evening meal.

Its hard to see how just one tablespoon of bics would sustain a cavvie, especially as Amber (who has a problem gaining weight) will eat duck/rice kibble by the bucketfull!!.

lorebringer
12th June 2009, 08:36 AM
Brian,

I have a never ending battle with one of my Cavaliers weight - we got her down to 9.5kg (she needs to be about 9kg) and were thrilled and then the last time we visited the the she was back up to 10.5kg :eek:. Her diet is good (she's currently on Origen) and she is taken for a decent walk daily, plus playing at home with the others. Her treat intake is low (maybe 1/2 dog biscuits per day) and she gets no human food (except for some Shredded Wheat and the odd carrot).

I don't want to put her into "light" food because she is doing so well on the food she is on (she is prone to bouts of colitis and dodgy anal glands) but it may be the only option becuase I can't reduce her food intake much more or she will be eating nothing but air! I have started to mix Hills Science Plan Light in with the Origen, just to bulk it out without adding too many calories, which is working well so far. I am, however, always a bit warey about "light" foods becuase they can be filled with extra stuff the bulk them out. We previously had her on Arden Grange Light and it worked very well - the wieght came off nice and slowly and she was very happy on it. Am thinking of going back to it becuase it worked so well. Plus Arden Grange is a great food so she is getting all she needs without the expanding waistline!

I don't want to give her frozen peas etc. becuase she's not the biggest fan of veg (apart from carrot and cabbage!) and will leave it in the bowl, and it's just a waste (which drives me mad!).

Good luck on your search and if you find anything that works for you please let us know :thmbsup:

Dublin
12th June 2009, 10:41 AM
Brian, have you concidered feeding a raw diet? Looking at what you're feeding now you could substitute the kibble you give now with raw chicken - maybe wings or drumsticks & you could still give then the raw veggies too. Some of the kibbles have fat added as a flavouring to make it more attractive to the dogs.

With the chicken they will spend a bit longer eating their dinner (well Sparky does!) so might feel a bit fuller too? With the bone-in-chicken they wouldnt really need the extra fibre as the bone would help keep poops harder if thats a problem (noticed you give the shredded wheat - figured that you give that for extra fibre?).

sins
12th June 2009, 11:43 AM
Hi Brian,
I used to feed Arden Grange and if you give the recommended amount they shouldn't put on weight.You need to look at other sources of calories.Any oil will be high in fat so I'd cut the salmon oil.
The vegetables should be fine to feed as snacks or treats.
When you feed Arden grange you don't need to give supplements.They have prebiotic supplements and glucosamine already added so you can cut the yougurt if you wish.It's a food that produces small compact stools so that's good too.
It's also a food which is dairy free,gluten free and soya free so you're not getting the hypoallergenic benefits if you're feeding dairy and wheat products alongside the kibble.
If you want to maintain the benefit of salmon,you can get arden grange salmon instead of the rice and lamb variety and they have salmon crunchy bites as treats which are good for their teeth.
So summing it all up,
I would suggest to stick with the Arden grange,get AG salmon crunchy bites or kibble and chop and change between lamb and rice kibble.
Feed frozen veg as before and keep up the exercise.
Eliminate all the other foods.
Sins

harleyfarley
12th June 2009, 12:49 PM
Arden Grange is one of the best Brian, esp the light version, but being a high quality food you can get away with feeding less, harley has 30 grams twice a day and thats it. Yes he is hungry all the time, and its very hard. He will even attempt pigs ears, and really hard chews which he used to ignore. Last weigh in he was 11.6 kg, thats over 2 kilos hes lost. They did say when they reach their optimum weight they wont lose any more weight no matter how little you feed. He does look good though, di

Karlin
12th June 2009, 01:18 PM
1 Tablespoon hard biscuit, 4 to 6 ozs of meat, 1 Vitamin tablet.

Products used: Biscuit =Pedigree Petfoods Lamb n Veg/Royal Canin CKCS.

Meat = Pedigree Petfoods "Ceasar" or fresh uncooked beef mince.


Interesting -- that's such a tiny amount of dry food -- keep in mind vets would be concerned about maintaining teeth -- that's virtually all mushy soft food so dogs would need raw bones or dental chews or something supplementary. I feed almost the exact reverse most days -- mostly a crunchy hard food with some meat as an addition. I'd opt for the mince but like to at lightly cook it myself rather than give raw.

For folks feeding raw meat, don't forget dishes all should be boil-washed every day after each meal and observe kitchen hygiene. :thmbsup:

For people who like giving an evening biscuit or biscuit treats, James Wellbeloved do an excellent quality one. Fish4dogs hard fish skin rolls are great too -- lots of alternatives to the supermarket brands which are mostly filler (some dogs may have allergy issues with the grains in these too).

Karlin
12th June 2009, 01:23 PM
BTW this is simply a breed that will stuff its face constantly :lol: and really has little to do with being hungry. All my dogs would eat themselves ill if given the chance -- owners absolutely cannot judge what to feed on the basis of the dog seeming hungry. They aren't hungry, they are greedy -- seems to be something genetic as some other breeds, including labs, are like this. Vets say about 6-7 breeds seem to just have this inability to control the need to feed! :eek: That's why I'd never free feed a cavalier.

I walk a neighbour's collie regularly and while my dogs are head down searching for food on the ground, Sam the collie has virtually no interest in stuff lying in the street. ;) Same for my partner's GSD and another neighbour's collie (she owned a collie and cavalier and the cavalier would stuff itself silly on anything; the collie was simply not interested in much after it's regular meal and also didn't scavenge off the streets). Cavaliers seem to have no 'fullness' trigger... :rolleyes:

Brian M
12th June 2009, 01:28 PM
Hi
With regard to mince which I have fed boiled occasionally but I look at the fat content, even though I ask for the leanest the Butchers have ,and that puts me off.My problem is I know nothing about food so I only go on what I read which often is probaly a load of tosh ,I also feed them often boiled Coley is that fatty or is that OK as an additive to Arden Grange Light a quantity of 12-15 gram twice daily with veg but I will stop the Kronch and the Yoghurt.:confused:

sins
12th June 2009, 02:10 PM
Even the leanest mince will have a 4 or 5% fat content and a lot of that will be saturated fat.Boiling it will reduce the fat content if you drain it well.
The idea of feeding a complete premium dogfood like Adren Grange is that it is a complete food.You don't need to add anything to it.
I'm sure a bit of boiled Coley is fine as a replacement for a meal but not as a mix with it.
Weigh each of your girls,look at the feeding chart on the bag and weigh the food on the kitchen scales.The calorific and nutrition content is calculated by the manufacturers to deliver the correct level of calories and nutrients based on the dog's weight and activity.
Each dog depending on their weight may need a different amount to the others so feed them separately while dieting.
If the girls are neutered you may need to reduce the amount slightly further.
Initially maybe just stick to the kibble itself and just feed a bit of veg if they get extra hungry.
You'll just have to become a blackhearted brute and ignore all pleading eyes and faces:p:p:p
Just because a food doesn't look appetising to you doesn't mean the dogs will find anything wrong with it.
Sins

Brian M
12th June 2009, 02:34 PM
Hi Sins
The other (actually lots ) thing I cant do is iron shirts ,when I divorced from Jackie and lived with an adorable rescue 10 yr old GSD for two years I could feed myself as there happened to be a couple of good take aways handy ,but good old Mum came to see me every day and tidy up and do my ironing ,I think thats because as Margaret said you females are so good at multi tasking and who am I to argue when I got so well looked after.:p
So sometimes ignorance is bliss.:)

sins
12th June 2009, 03:05 PM
For what it's worth Brian,I suspect your dogs are better fed and groomed than my poor neglected husband!!:D
Sins

team bella
12th June 2009, 06:13 PM
I know the weight debate is very important but I had to chuckle at Brians quote -

'the same advice cut down on food and go up on exercise '

I've been to the doctors and she's just told me the exact same thing. There must be a cavi inside me fighting to get out. :dgwlk:

Dublin
12th June 2009, 10:09 PM
Cavaliers seem to have no 'fullness' trigger... :rolleyes:

Karlin - I think im a cavalier!!!!

Also have to agree with the boiling of stainless steel bowls for raw feeders is a must - I also use an anti-bac washing up liquid - just incase any of that nasty bacteria would dare to live through the boiling water!!!:D

Dublin
12th June 2009, 10:12 PM
Hi
With regard to mince which I have fed boiled occasionally but I look at the fat content, even though I ask for the leanest the Butchers have ,and that puts me off.My problem is I know nothing about food so I only go on what I read which often is probaly a load of tosh ,I also feed them often boiled Coley is that fatty or is that OK as an additive to Arden Grange Light a quantity of 12-15 gram twice daily with veg but I will stop the Kronch and the Yoghurt.:confused:

have you tried turkey mince? I believe coley being a whilte fish is pretty low in fat (my nan feeds this to her cats too!) - it's the oily ones like sardines etc that are higher in calories.

chloe92us
13th June 2009, 07:53 PM
Brian, I know you've been struggling with her weight, I say KEEP IT SIMPLE: Keep feeding the Arden Grange, top with a small handful of frozen green beans, mix it up, and serve. Don't add anything else! If you take out the yogurt, bran, and whatever else you're adding (which sounds really good by the way!) and increase her kibble to about 1/4 c twice a day, then you should be able to better gauge how she's doing. Anytime you add, you lose the ability to accurately maintain calorie intake and proportions.

MishathePooh
16th June 2009, 02:31 AM
I'll second chloe response. You may tihnk you're only adding a wee bit here and there, but it can really add up! One of the best weight loss instruments for humans is faithfully keeping a food diary. If you absolutely can't stop yourself from giving your pups extras, then write everything you're feeding them in a journal.

Ditch the yogurt and give a probiotic tablet instead. That will save calories and provide the beneficial bacteria. I feel any good the honey would do would be outweighed by the extra calories it adds. If your girls do well on most diets, then trying Hill's RD (http://www.petdental.com/hillspet/products/productDetails.hjsp?HillsProductCode=PD_K9_C_d_rd_ o_O_n_orig_USARG) may be helpful if you can get it in the UK. Of course you'd have to speak with your vet on this.

I'd rather my dog become a healthy weight on a slightly lower quality food than be fat/obese on a higher quality food. Once the weight drops you could find a better quality food that works for weight maintenance.

Janice
18th June 2009, 03:34 PM
Reuben hardly eats a thing! He is being given 2 meals of 30g a day but sometimes he will eat half, sometimes none and very ocasionally (once a week) he might finish the bowl. Doesnt really bother me as i am one these folks who think that he will not starve himself so there it is.

As to TYPE of food, he came away from breeder with eukaneuba puppy so i used that. Then a neighbour i met on a walk with 2 cavs said she had a sack of arden grange that her dogs didnt like so she gave it to me.

I mixed it with the eukaneuba and almost immediately his stools were so much better, darker, harder and easier to deal with from a human point of view. Now i am at the bottom of the box and its mainly eukaneba and im seeing the stools go back to sloppy and yellowish again.

So its Arden Grange for me from now on!!!!

mollysmum
19th June 2009, 10:32 AM
Hi All
This info has really helped me. I have been struggling with Molly's weight since we got her ( she was 18 months old and weighed 11kg!!). As karlin suggested Molly would continually eat and eat day and night if you allowed her. I have been backwards and forwards to the vet re her weight problem and as suggested already, cut down the intake and up the exercise. Molly howls to get your attention when she fancies a "little something" to eat and this can be extremely frustrating and quite annoying, particularly when she may have only been fed 5 mins before!! The lady who owns our local grooming parlour has recently suggested trying Arden Grange light for Molly. Can anyone advise exactly how much of this to give . . .Do I need to add anything further and to maintain a steady weightloss which snacks or treats would be best for her and how often ?
So sorry for all the questions but any advice would be appreciated
Regards
Mollysmum

sins
19th June 2009, 10:56 AM
http://www.ardengrange.com/Pet-Food/dog-food.asp?id=26

There's a feeding chart there.Ideally you need to weigh your dog first to calculate the required amount.
Sins

Brian M
19th June 2009, 10:59 AM
Hi Mollysmum

Having been the originator of this post with my Poppy ,I have been feeding Arden Grange Light for about two weeks ,she has 15 gramme in the morning and evening with both meals I add green beans ,carrots and broccoli as a filler and as a taster I add 1 pce only of semi-frozen tripe cube which i buy from PAH also 1 cube of shredded wheat and 1 teaspoon of pure bran ,she does get hungry but I persevere .Of an evening she may have 3/4 pces of Barker and Barker Little Liver Treats ,I will weigh her again this week end and if she has stayed the same or reduced fine if not I will reduce again ,Good Luck its a long and hard road

mollysmum
19th June 2009, 01:03 PM
Hi Brian M
Thanks for the reply. I have just accessed Ardon grange feeding guide ( thankyou to Sins) and it suggests feeding Molly up to 200g per day for her weight - I have just weighed her and she tipped the scales at nearly 13kg!!! Does this amount sound a lot to you? She is fed twice daily therefore 100g per meal, but in comparison to Poppy's 15g it sounds a huge amount. Do you feed poppy more than twice per day? If so that would answer my questions and doubts. I noticed Karlin feeds fish 4 dogs as treats and I have been able to buy some this morning for Molly to try. Its 100% fish skin, and as I had no doubt, she loves them. My aim is to try to reduce Molly's weight to around 9.5kg which means a long trek ahead. I just hope Arden Grange will be able to help me. Please keep me posted as to lovely Poppy's progress . . or should I say weight loss!
Regards
Molly'smum

mollysmum
19th June 2009, 01:05 PM
Thankyou sins . . I have looked at the feeding and weight chart and established molly needs 100g twice a day. I really hope this will help me to reduce her weight as I have battled with it for nearly 2 years
regards
Molly'smum

Brian M
19th June 2009, 01:48 PM
Hi
No thats all Pops gets 15 gr twice a day with all her veg ,Di (harlyfarly ) said when she put Harley on his diet she took the rec amount and divide by 2 as the food manufacturers always heavily over estimate so if you take your 100 gr that become 50 gr which is not too far from my 30-35 gramme .And Pops on Burns went down to 11 kg then i missed checking her weight for a bit then 2 weeks ago she was up to 13 kg so hence my change again to A G ,but if you look at a photo of my three Pops is bigger with Daisy and Rosie similar size .Fish fo dogs they love but get at the most 1 or 2 a week ,this afternoon I will get some apples and a banana and give them a pce of each tonight ,stay in touch

Ignor Our Luke ,as you can see Pops is on the right she is a bigger
girl than Rosie the Ruby or Daisy the Blen





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chloe92us
19th June 2009, 02:31 PM
Brian, my only concern with feeding pops so little kibble is she may not be getting enough protein, which she NEEDS to lose weight! This is so hard to say b/c I'm not familiar with grams, etc...but it sounds like she's not getting enough kibble. I would increase her kibble to 50g a day and cut out all the extras you're giving her. No tripe, no yogurt, no oils, etc.

50g of kibble with a small handful of frozen vegs. Try it for a month and see what happens.

mollysmum
19th June 2009, 04:47 PM
Hi Brian
Thanks for reply. I think I may just decrease the amount of Arden Grange I give to Molly to start with, I can always slightly increase it if necessary. Can I ask why you suggest only giving fish 4 dog treats only once or twice a week. It was suggested to me Molly could have three per day . . .is that far too much? I think i might try using fresh veg as treats as well. She loves cooked veg and raw carrot . . . . . .in fact she loves EVERYTHING!!!
Molly'smum

Brian M
19th June 2009, 05:25 PM
Hi mollysmum

Its a siily reason I only feed them with the fish for dogs treat a couple of times a week .Normally after work the girls go with me everywhere except on a Mon and a Wed when Luke goes to West Kirby sports centre for his Karate lesson unfortunately they cant come but I always feel a bit guilty leaving them behind ,so I encourage them into their crate with a Fish treat as a reward so on a Mon and Wed they stay at home with Dawn till my return and as they are on all on a diet their allowance is 2 per week .
Have you tried the Barker and Barker Little Liver Treats they are only very small and they are allowed loads but as a max I feed no more than 5 as and when needed and as they are liver flavoured they go straight down ,I will do a weigh in later and post the reasults:)

harleyfarley
19th June 2009, 07:05 PM
Hi
No thats all Pops gets 15 gr twice a day with all her veg ,Di (harlyfarly ) said when she put Harley on his diet she took the rec amount and divide by 2 as the food manufacturers always heavily over estimate so if you take your 100 gr that become 50 gr which is not too far from my 30-35 gramme http://board.cavaliertalk.com//farm4.static.flickr.com/3310/3597742100_678e38d3a4_m.jpg


Yep thats right mollysmum, harley just tipped the scales at 14 kg, i had started to cut him down a bit and he was 13.6 when the vet put him on a diet, the pack does say about 100 grms a day and the vet himself said dont go by the packet they say feed more so they sell more, and he said try 60 gms and see how he goes so he has 30 gms twice a day and very little else.
Also at least an hours walking a day to help build up muscle tone. he is now 11.6 at last weigh in a couple of weeks ago and he is a big cav.
At 30 gms brian you should be seeing weight fly off. Its hard work and painful to watch what i do if harley is being a pest and begging for food is give him a lovely treat of a bath or a nice long walk usually followed by a bath and hopefully its nearly time for his next meal by then.
He also used to refuse things like pigs ears and really hard hide chews, now he loves them because basically he knows there is nothing else. Be careful with treats, you know those gravy bones, will if you follow the feeding guide 5 of those is the total of harley daily allowance, he used to get that on top of his food and any leftovers so he gets maybe a gravey bone a week now until the packet is gone then ill not be buying anymore. di

mollysmum
19th June 2009, 09:09 PM
Hi harleyfarley
Those god damn gravy bones . . . .our moll loves them an would eat a whole box if allowe to! We have been using them and would give her 2 or 3 a time up to 3 times a day!!!! I feel so stupid now and I have definately contributed to this escalating problem as she loved these treats. I believed that if I was feeding her fresh veg and chicken then those treats would not cause too much damage . . .how wrong i was.
I have given Molly her first Arden grange meal tonight and I did cut back . . .I weighed it out very carefully and gave her 30 g instead of the recom 50g. Molly is currently taking med for a skin complaint so I have to be totally honest I gave her a tablespoon of tinned tuna in oil and mixed in her tablets. She will have finished the course in 7 days so should not be a problem after then. Iv opted for the fish ardens as we have been plagued with smelly poo and gas and I was advised a fish diet will help resolve this. I wait in hope.
I am trying to post recent photos of Molly but still struggling . . .I will continue to try
Regards
Molly'smum

mollysmum
19th June 2009, 09:12 PM
Hi Brian
Yes please let me know how the weigh in goes. Molly had her first Arden grange meal tonight and loved it. I did reduce the amount and only gave her 30g instead of the rec 50g for her weight. I will keep you posted
regards
Mollysmum

Brian M
19th June 2009, 09:38 PM
Hi

All down a bit

Popp. .13.10 > 12.80
Daisy. 8.80 > 8.60
Rosie . 9.90. >9.80

Its not a lot but its week one and two weeks from tonight we are going up to The Lake District for a week we have rented a cottage by Lake Bassenthwite in the North Lakes about 6 mile outside Keswick so we all should get more walking in then:)

Dublin
19th June 2009, 11:25 PM
Well done Brian & girls!! & enjoy the hol:dogwlk:

mollysmum
20th June 2009, 01:30 PM
Hi
Well done Brian, Poppy, Rosie and daisy . . .Keep up the good work and have a fab hol!
Mollysmum

harleyfarley
20th June 2009, 06:29 PM
Thats good for a week brian, in the end harley was losing 10g a week or even a fortnight, once the initial weights gone down its very slow going indeed, but the vet was happier once harley got to 12 kg, and i didnt weigh him again for about a month or six weeks, then we were at the vets for a checkup and jabs so i thought ill weigh him and hope he hasnt put anything back on, and i was amazed he was 11.6 thats just sticking to the diet he may have lost more i havent weighed him for a couple of months now. di

Brian M
20th June 2009, 09:31 PM
Hi Di

When is the best time of the day to weigh them or does it not make any difference providing you are consistent ,did I read that the best time is first thing in the morning.:confused:

harleyfarley
20th June 2009, 09:39 PM
I think as long as you do it the same time it wont make any difference, i think everyone weighs less first thing as you havent eaten all night, but is irrelevent. I also try and feed after walks, but you are doing very well. di

tupup
21st June 2009, 10:49 AM
:rah:Well done Brian:rah:Thats a fabulous start! well done poppy, Rosie & Daisy clever girls:D

harleyfarley
21st June 2009, 12:08 PM
Brian, my only concern with feeding pops so little kibble is she may not be getting enough protein, which she NEEDS to lose weight! This is so hard to say b/c I'm not familiar with grams, etc...but it sounds like she's not getting enough kibble. I would increase her kibble to 50g a day and cut out all the extras you're giving her. No tripe, no yogurt, no oils, etc.

50g of kibble with a small handful of frozen vegs. Try it for a month and see what happens.

I thought that too chloe, thats why vets insist you feed a good high quality brand, and thats nothing you can get from a supermarket, I used to feed various food from supermarkets, bakers, butchers etc, and tesco premium was as good as any, but you need to feed quite a bit to get the right amount of protein, where as with the quality stuff, you get more protein and vitamins (you can see by the list of ingrediants the first is whats most in the food) and therefore you can feed less.

I was told by the vet nurse that he will lose weight until he reaches his optimum weight and no more, no harm can be done if you feed a high quality food, and to stick to the lower quantities until he stops losing weight and then you can increase it by 20 gms and check his weight if he starts to gain weight then thats too much. Harley is on 30 gms twice a day and on the arden grange light, which is hypoallergenic and contains l-carnitine which helps convert food into muscle and not stored as fat, I think royal canine weight loss has it too.

I must say that Harley does seem to be healthy and happier at his lower weight, he eats all his food the second i put it down and licks the bowl clean, i had half a box of tesco food left which i add now and then to try and use it up, he leaves that and waits for his arden grange. di

merlinsmum
21st June 2009, 08:11 PM
Totally agree with Chloe - kibble 2 X 40g with a sprinkle of green beans and nothing else a day, with at least 1/2 hours fast walking should do the trick.

Gravy bones - for a small dog should be max 5 per day according to their instructions on a kilo bag.

My two get 4 gravy bones for breakfast, 100g of Burns with 1 natures menu banquet nugget on top and a 1/2 a charcoal bone for supper. They have 2 x 30 mins excersise a day Mon- Fri and then at least 1 hour walk/play/agility on weekend days and they are superfit and superlean :)

I'm afraid you have to be harsh, if you dog does not burn off what goes in, rather than cut what goes in as much, get more out of your dog :) - why not join an agility club - we burned loads of calories last week - even on our 1st pre agility lesson :)

Best of luck anyways

Brian M
21st June 2009, 09:10 PM
Hi Kirsty and Chloe

I am lost having never needed to diet I just presume that what goes in must be balanced by what is burnt up ,but I can see the example of needing energy to burn energy ,having just come back an hour ago after a good 1 1/2 hours walk the girls seem OK they didn't obviously seem exhausted .I have stopped feeding any extras like the yogurt and salmon oil though they do have their vitamin tablets of a night and none of them appear ravenous so I am a bit confused which direction to go:confused:

mollysmum
21st June 2009, 09:18 PM
Hi Merlinsmum
Agility club sounds a great idea. We have had Molly for 18 months and she has always been chunky!!!!!!! I have started her on Ardon grange sensitive this week for a number of reasons to include being 13kg!, also her poops are soft and about 3 times a day, and also because she passes sooooooo much ransid gas. Iv uppped her exercise to x3 daily for half hour each time and cut her intake to 30g per meal. Iv cut out the gravy bones and given raw carrot and fish 4 dogs fish skins x2 daily. Fingers crossed Molly will benefit
Regards
mollysmum

mollysmum
21st June 2009, 09:21 PM
Hi Brian
It seems to me your really trying hard with your pooch . . .stick in ther you will eventually reap the rewards of all your hard work . . . . .and it is hard work!
Regards
Mollysmum

Brian M
21st June 2009, 09:22 PM
Hi mollysmum
That all sounds good to me ,apart from A G another good food is Burns and they do a low cal one and its good for solid poops,Merlinsmum advised me about that a bit ago so I rotated between Royal C for Cavs and Burns before we went on A G a month ago.:)

harleyfarley
21st June 2009, 09:23 PM
Hi Mollysmum

Dont expect immediate results i think like ourselves its a lifestyle choice and needs to be continuous rather than for a couple of months to look a kilo. Otherwise they put it all back on, so find something that suits them and limit treats to one or two a week, once they get used to it they stop keep asking for food. di