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Feebee
20th August 2009, 06:53 AM
i have a new pup, and he is the only dog in my house, i was wonder what routine yours has?

i have to crate him some days as i cannot take him to work everyday, but mon, wed, friday i can...

Feebee
20th August 2009, 07:50 AM
bumping up

MARK MARSHALL
20th August 2009, 09:11 AM
By now, the pup(s) should have had all his/her injections and for me the big objective is 'socialisation' by meeting as many people and other dogs, as possible but the latter needs to be closely supervised.

I have my pups infront of the TV some nights so that they are intruduced to all manner of noise. I also take mine into town (on leads) but take them to busy places, beside roads and even stand on overbridges of major roads - just so that they are happy to experience the unusual from the norm.

As we own Kennels, all the visitors meet the extended family and to date, my dogs love humans and mix very well.

It is of course down to good breeding lines - so if nervousness is in your puppy you may have issues whatever you do.

Puppy classes and ringcraft training are also of great use and you meet people to share ideas.

Good luck, Mark Marshall.

misty
20th August 2009, 02:55 PM
We lead a busy life and I'm a great believer in some routine, but also lots of flexibility.

There's nothing worse for me than walking or feeding or whatever exactly the same time every day, cos that's what the dog will learn to expect - then the one time something crops up and the routine is thrown, there'll be a very jaded and impatient dog ;)

Karlin
20th August 2009, 03:56 PM
You would not want to crate a dog all day-- but there should be several good alternative arrangement for your workdays. :) Can you designate a dog room? Set up a puppy playpen in the kitchen or a laundry room? Life in a crate is a very low quality of life for a dog, which needs room to move about and play, especially a puppy this young. Crating is really only a nighttime or short term daytime management tool for couple of hours, max. :thmbsup:

Ideally someone should come in an take him out for a walk and exercise midday. Some towns and cities also have doggy day care as an option.

But you will need to find some other way of managing your dog than a crate during workdays.

PS -- I know people often are eager for answers to a question, but please don't bump up a post made only an hour earlier. If no one replies after a day or two then please feel free to bump up a post :). You posted during a very quiet period of the day -- before 6am for many members and the middle of the night for most others!! and really would have been unlikely to get a reply for a few hours, which as you can see, was the case anyway. Let people reply in their own time, please. Thanks! :thmbsup:

Justine
20th August 2009, 04:10 PM
Mine comes out at about 7am,for breakie,does wees and poos,then spends the whole day fighting Arch and RANSACKING anything.I on the other hand spend allday chasing him,cussing him,then at about 9pm me,Arch and himself collapse on the sofa...

Feebee
20th August 2009, 10:03 PM
cool thanks for the replies, sorry Karlin, didnt realise the time difference, its just when i went new posts mine didnt show up...

oh i should add that on tue/ thur im out from 11:30 till 4, so not the whole day, but when i get his registration from the local council, i can leave him outside with a kennel, and nice big area to run around in..

and even on those days i could possibly shoot back home till around 1:30 when i would have to go back to the families house (im a nanny)

chloe92us
21st August 2009, 10:07 PM
Please don't leave her outside in a kennel! She would prefer the crate to the kennel I'm sure, if you have no other options. A 3-4 hour stay in a crate would be the absolute max I would suggest you leave a young dog (or any dog) in a crate unless it's really big!

Karlin
21st August 2009, 10:17 PM
Agree, a crate is better than an outdoor kennel especially for a puppy but is a terrible choice out of two terrible options for any dog, especially this breed. It is just not fair to keep a dog under such circumstances but there are many other options a caring owner can provide. I'd recommend simply looking into an Xpen indoors, which would give much more room. Also I suggested in another thread, downloading Ian Dunbar's book which gives suggestions for an xpen with a crate inside so the dog can go in and out. Have you had a chance to do this and had a look at his suggestions for puppies and dogs? :)

There is a very high theft rate of breeds like cavaliers when left outside and a puppy in a kennel is going to be a prime target. Also if you dump a puppy or adult dog outside alone it is going to whine, bark and howl -- this breed gets very distressed left alone like this outside. This is grounds for a warden to remove the dog from you. You will need to work around somehow giving an indoor home and roomy area of confinement. Can the puppy not just go in a kitchen area, gated off with a baby gate? This is a common, simple solution many use for their dogs. :) Leaving a dog for 4 hours+ in a crate, especially an active young pup, is not adequate. A crate is really just a management tool, not a miniature indoor kennel for long hours of confinement. A zoo animal would have more room-- Ian Dunbar should have some good suggestions for alternatives. :thmbsup:

IndyTulip
21st August 2009, 10:19 PM
We've had our puppy for a month now, he has had 4 in home training sessions and has learned, come, sit, stand, and down.
now that we are back to work fulltime
mon thru friday he wakes at 6 30..goes out, then eats, plays, goes out again
then he is in his crate at 8
my friend comes over at 12 to let him out for an hour
then i come home at 4 30 or 5
i walk him, feed him, and he is out of crate for most of the rest of the night until 9 or 10 bedtime
i have now let him play and roam outside the kitchen around the carpeted half the apartment and he'll go over to the front door when he needs to pee..(smart dog!)..before that he knew carpet was offlimits and would go right back into the kitchen..now it is hard to get him to come into the kitchen unfortunately.
but i keep a close watch when he is on the carpet. I also let him on the couch when we are watching a movie (he growled at the movie the Village at the guys in the yellow cloaks!) too funny..
and we have taken him on many car trips and given him baths, he is used to the car now and he has not barked, bit, or growled at ANYONE yet. i hope it stays that way and we are off to a great start.
he can hold it for about 5 hours and he is extremelyt happy to see me come home. but i don't think i could let him outside of his crate even in a small area because he probably won't hold it. if i had to leave for more than 5 hours and no one could come over ..then i would do that.

Karlin
21st August 2009, 10:25 PM
Please reconsider this overuse of crates. A crate is a housetraining and very short term management TOOL -- never intended to be living quarters for a dog or a puppy.

Why not give puppies a better quality of life and give them an xpen in a kitchen, or the run of a kitchen or utility room?

Eg: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16677&cmpid=sc

A crate offers such a hideously poor quality of life -- imagine sticking a 5 year old child in a closet and letting her out only to pee for 20 minutes at lunchtime. That is the equivalent of crating a dog 8 hours a day then most likely, all night too (but then, as the dog sleeps the whole time, it matters less). So figure it out --how many *unconfined* hours of actual free life does the dog have? 8 hours a day perhaps? That means two-thirds of the dog's life is being lived in a 2x3 foot box. That is cruelty, pure and simple, in my book. Please re-think the ethics of keeping a dog if its life is limited to a wire box. There are so many other ways to give a dog a happier, mentally far healthier life.

It might not be the right time to own a dog if a social, living animal has to be compromised with so little stimulation and activity? :(

Trainers say NEVER to use crates in this fashion!

Karlin
21st August 2009, 10:47 PM
Trainers on crating:


Too Much Time In The Crate. A crate isn't a magical solution. If not used correctly, a dog can feel trapped and frustrated. For example, if your dog is crated all day while you're at work and then crated again all night, he's spending too much time in too small a space. Other arrangements should be made to meet his physical and emotional needs. Also remember that puppies under six months of age shouldn't stay in a crate for more than three or four hours at a time. They can't control their bladders and bowels for longer periods.


13 - 16 week old puppies: Maximum three hours at a time in the crate
17 - 20+ week old puppies: Maximum four hours at a time in the crate
Crate duration rules of thumb for puppies:
8 - 10 week old puppies: Maximum one hour at a time in the crate
11 - 12 week old puppies: Maximum two hours at a time in the crate

Use a long-term confinement area for times longer than the puppy can hold in the crate.
The kitchen is ideal confinement area – not too large, high traffic, and easy-to-clean
floor. Confine Sparky with pet-proof gates – newspaper at one end; bed, food, water,
ys.

Adult dogs can spend a maximum of four-five hours in a crate at a time.




Of course, common sense has to be exercised. Keeping your pet in a cage for many hours on end is not healthy for your dog. Four hours is the maximum length of time you should crate your dog. Keeping your dog cooped up longer than this is a serious strain on their ability to hold back from eliminating and of course, most dogs are far too active to be happy sitting still for this long.

Feebee
22nd August 2009, 01:43 AM
ok my schedule has been so far, Thursday, 6:30 am get up, toilet, feed, play, me do a few household chores with him, car ride to pet store, back home, sleep on my knee, then about 11:30 feed, toilet, then in crate, home by 4:00 let our for toilet, play, again household chores (with him following me, with me every 10 mins or so giving him some attention, either by petting, or throwing ball etc) then 5:30-6pm feed, let him watch me make dinner (unfornatly dinner went up in flames in oven, so fire men had to come over! they are not sure why the baking paper went in flames, told me to get a new oven, its very old!) more play, then outside for toilet (note i do leave front door open, but also take him out) bed around 8:30- 9pm, he cried for about 5 mins? i heard him at 3am, let him out for toilet nothing happened, back into crate, cannot remember him crying not sure..

Friday, 6am get up, toilet, feed, play, 8am, get in car to work, play till 9am, when i had left him outside, with his crate, home back around 11, he was in crate, and one chew stick was gone! :) played with him and the boys i look after till 12:15, left in crate, back home 1pm, when i fed him, played on and off/ sleep on me, training, like sitting on command, getting him use to harness and lead, until 5:30 fed dinner, took him home (had to make a stop at my sisters, where he stayed in car, happy as fast asleep!), once home, played again, used the brush on him a little bit, however he just wants to eat it at the moment! then bed around 8:30, as he was really tired and just wanted to sleep on me! no cries at all!

Saturday today got up around 6:30 let him out for toilet, back into crate, till 8:30 as he was still sleepy, and we have played, harness/ sitting/ come training, him watching me do household chores - he is getting better at letting me do things, without trying to jump on me all the time! etc, and now he is fast asleep on my lap :)

to come Sunday, similar as Saturday, however from 10-1 ill be out, i can look at blocking off kitchen, ill see what i can do..

Monday 6-8 play/ feed/ toilet/ household chores, then work he will be left alone from about 9:30- 11:30, and again 12:15- 1:pm then back to family house for rest of afternoon (where he will be), hoping to try to go for a walk with him and the kids then back to my house around 5:30-6pm, play/ toilet/ training or whatever..

Tuesday, similar to Thursday, he will be at my house all day, with only being left alone at 11:30- 4pm

wed same start as Monday, left alone from 9 though till 10:15ish, with him till 12:15 - 1:00 then same as monday afternoon..

then we back to where i had started....

soo apart from night sleep, and tue/ thur he isnt left alone that much? and like i said both tue/ thur i could come back to mine for a while, and once he has toilet training better, and he will go toilet with lead on, then i can take him to work with me on tue's as that family dont have a fenced in property so i would have to take him out to the toilet, however thur's dont really work as i teach swimming straight after work at a indoor pool (where he isnt allowed) and i dont want to leave him car! however, once my partner is back from overseas, im going to try and get him to start work really early on tue/ thur so he can be home by about 2pm! :)

sooo is that ok? i hope so, if anymore concerns, please let me know, or ways i could improve it, or teach him to go toilet with harness/ lead!

pippa
22nd August 2009, 02:13 AM
"then he is in his crate at 8
my friend comes over at 12 to let him out for an hour
then i come home at 4 30 or 5"

Indytulip, I find it very sad that your dog spends 8 hours a day in a crate.

Is there any way you could reconsider this option and maybe get an x-pen,or some doggy daycare sorted,even for a couple of days a week. To be honest I wouldn't like to leave mine alone 8 hours daily, 5 days a week. It's a long time for a dog to spend alone:(

FeeBee I think generally your pups routine is ok, but maybe you could try an x-pen instead of a crate?

Feebee
22nd August 2009, 03:12 AM
FeeBee I think generally your pups routine is ok, but maybe you could try an x-pen instead of a crate?

will see what i can do :)

IndyTulip
22nd August 2009, 03:53 AM
the crating all day isn't forever...I think he is too young to have freedom alone. he will pee on the kitchen floor and then he will step all over it and then get it on his dog bed.
i'm certain after an hour he will wait to go out by the crate door and see no one there and then pee right there. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of potty training outside?..it isn't 8 hrs in a row...
but i could try making a little pen with his crate attached to it and i'll video tape him to watch his behavior.


Please reconsider this overuse of crates. A crate is a housetraining and very short term management TOOL -- never intended to be living quarters for a dog or a puppy.

Why not give puppies a better quality of life and give them an xpen in a kitchen, or the run of a kitchen or utility room?

Eg: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16677&cmpid=sc

A crate offers such a hideously poor quality of life -- imagine sticking a 5 year old child in a closet and letting her out only to pee for 20 minutes at lunchtime. That is the equivalent of crating a dog 8 hours a day then most likely, all night too (but then, as the dog sleeps the whole time, it matters less). So figure it out --how many *unconfined* hours of actual free life does the dog have? 8 hours a day perhaps? That means two-thirds of the dog's life is being lived in a 2x3 foot box. That is cruelty, pure and simple, in my book. Please re-think the ethics of keeping a dog if its life is limited to a wire box. There are so many other ways to give a dog a happier, mentally far healthier life.

It might not be the right time to own a dog if a social, living animal has to be compromised with so little stimulation and activity? :(

Trainers say NEVER to use crates in this fashion!

pippa
22nd August 2009, 01:22 PM
IndyTulip said----"it isn't 8 hrs in a row..."

No, but it is 4 hours in a row, which is still quite long in a crate....it's 40 hours per week not including his bedtime time,if he sleeps in his crate.

I had Pippin in an x-pen from 9 weeks but I never left him long enough that he needed to pee on the floor and at night I put down newspaper or a wee-wee pad that you can get in any petstore,not ideal for day time but if you are working all day you don't really have any other choice.

A closed crate is not really the answer.

edel
22nd August 2009, 01:45 PM
I agree, thats just not fair on a little puppy. A crate is such a small, confined space, I'm sure he would be much happier in an x-pen. Perhaps he will pee in the kitchen but he's a puppy, thats what they do. I know the toilet training schedule is important when they are young but I think quality of life should take priority.

IndyTulip
28th August 2009, 06:53 PM
my vet said the kitchen is too much freedom for such a young pup.
and so did my trainer.
i left him in the kitchen for an hour when i went out the other day, and left the video camera on him. he stared at the door for a while, sniffed around, and then eventually went into his crate like a good boy... he isn't giong to run around the kitchen by himself. his crate is big enough for him to sprawl out in ..it is the size of his queensize pillow.

pippa
28th August 2009, 09:02 PM
Indytulip-----"my vet said the kitchen is too much freedom for such a young pup.
and so did my trainer."

That's why I suggested an X-pen :)

Brian M
28th August 2009, 10:23 PM
Hi Indy

My vet would say if I had a regime like you that you shouldnt have a dog now ,come back when you can devote a lot more time to them .Sorry.! And i personally think if you are a responsible pet owner you should realy be with them 24/7.

Yorkysue
28th August 2009, 10:56 PM
Hi Indy

My vet would say if I had a regime like you that you shouldnt have a dog now ,come back when you can devote a lot more time to them .Sorry.! And i personally think if you are a responsible pet owner you should rely be with them 24/7.


I agree Brian. I actually find this thread very very sad and depressing. How can anyone who professes to love dogs treat them in this way.

IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF IMPRISONMENT!!!!!!!!!

How would they like being locked up for hours on end???? or is it OK for a dog? I think not! and to make the excuse that the pup will wee in the kitchen if left alone (what kind of excuse is that!)

If you can't give lots of time to your puppy - find him a home where he will be given the love and freedom he deserves!

Stop being selfish.

tupup
28th August 2009, 11:40 PM
Im afraid i must agree with the above posts~having enough room to sprawl out on a queen size pillow is just not enough for a little puppy-imagine if you could only sit/lie in one spot for 8hours a day! You'd go crazy & IMHO a pup needs more stimulus than that.
He might wee on the kitchen floor? Maybe so,its not the end of the world! A puppy toilet training isnt for the houseproud!

pippa
29th August 2009, 01:18 AM
Sorry Indy but I would agree and I can't think for one minute why your vet would be encouraging you to keep your dog in a crate for 8 hours of the day?????

I work three days a week and I am out of the house for 6 and 1/2 hours for those three days. During this time my husband comes in for an hour and then also arrives home almost two hours before me. My son or daughter also can come in at an earlier time or be there for a while after I go. The longest they would be left would be four hours and they have the kitchen,hall stairs and landing to themselves, as they are older dogs,even though they usually seem to be in their beds when anyone comes in.

They have each other for company. Your puppy is being left for four hours,then has a visitor,then another four hours,in a crate,on his own and a queensize pillow with a cage round it is not enough room for him.

As I said get him an x-pen, and please find some doggy daycare where he can socialise and have some company at least a couple of days a week.

This may seem harsh,but with your lifestyle you really should have thought things through more before getting a puppy.

Your little guy does not deserve to spend all his days in a crate:(

IndyTulip
29th August 2009, 02:46 AM
i am much more responsible than any of you.
i'm sorry if i have to work.
what am i supposed to do..wait until
I am 65?
ARE YOU FREAKIN' SERIOUS? 24/7?
PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN W/ THEIR KIDS 24/7.


QUOTE=Brian M;332775]Hi Indy

My vet would say if I had a regime like you that you shouldnt have a dog now ,come back when you can devote a lot more time to them .Sorry.! And i personally think if you are a responsible pet owner you should realy be with them 24/7.[/QUOTE]

IndyTulip
29th August 2009, 02:52 AM
any puppy book and trainer will tell you to put him in his crate every hour on the hour for an hour
to nap and go about your businesss for the first month or 2.
that adds up to about 8 hrs of nap time a day/night.
it isn't like that all the time...i get days off..my fiance will be moving in soon and working locally and he stays at my parents sometimes where he gets to run around the house and yard all day. he is only 4 months old...at 6 months he will have some puppy school.


C
Sorry Indy but I would agree and I can't think for one minute why your vet would be encouraging you to keep your dog in a crate for 8 hours of the day?????

I work three days a week and I am out of the house for 6 and 1/2 hours for those three days. During this time my husband comes in for an hour and then also arrives home almost two hours before me. My son or daughter also can come in at an earlier time or be there for a while after I go. The longest they would be left would be four hours and they have the kitchen,hall stairs and landing to themselves, as they are older dogs,even though they usually seem to be in their beds when anyone comes in.

They have each other for company. Your puppy is being left for four hours,then has a visitor,then another four hours,in a crate,on his own and a queensize pillow with a cage round it is not enough room for him.

As I said get him an x-pen, and please find some doggy daycare where he can socialise and have some company at least a couple of days a week.

This may seem harsh,but with your lifestyle you really should have thought things through more before getting a puppy.

Your little guy does not deserve to spend all his days in a crate:(

IndyTulip
29th August 2009, 02:54 AM
he will wind up lying in his crate anyway after a while if i leave him alone
it is not a small crate
it is has about 2 feet in height. 24x21x21




I agree Brian. I actually find this thread very very sad and depressing. How can anyone who professes to love dogs treat them in this way.

IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF IMPRISONMENT!!!!!!!!!

How would they like being locked up for hours on end???? or is it OK for a dog? I think not! and to make the excuse that the pup will wee in the kitchen if left alone (what kind of excuse is that!)

If you can't give lots of time to your puppy - find him a home where he will be given the love and freedom he deserves!

Stop being selfish.

tara
29th August 2009, 04:23 AM
Indy,

I say the same thing I tell my children -- don't ask the question if you aren't prepared for the answer.

Bottom line here -- you have been told by several cavalier owners that we are concerned with the amount of time your puppy is spending alone in his crate. The evidence is very clear on this subject. Your use of the crate is extreme and not healthy for the physical, emotional, social or psychological well-being of your dog. Dogs are living creatures who depend on us for everything. Cavaliers are highly social dogs who literally can not spend enough time with their human loved ones.

Please consider what we are saying as concern for your dog. By raising your dog in this manner, you are depriving both him and yourself of the wonderful relationship cavaliers develop with their owners. It's a real shame, both for you and your dog.

pippa
29th August 2009, 12:37 PM
Indy,

I say the same thing I tell my children -- don't ask the question if you aren't prepared for the answer.

Bottom line here -- you have been told by several cavalier owners that we are concerned with the amount of time your puppy is spending alone in his crate. The evidence is very clear on this subject. Your use of the crate is extreme and not healthy for the physical, emotional, social or psychological well-being of your dog. Dogs are living creatures who depend on us for everything. Cavaliers are highly social dogs who literally can not spend enough time with their human loved ones.

Please consider what we are saying as concern for your dog. By raising your dog in this manner, you are depriving both him and yourself of the wonderful relationship cavaliers develop with their owners. It's a real shame, both for you and your dog.

I totally agree with Tara. Indy if you truly want what is best for your dog you will take on board the advice given. I am sure it is given in good faith by good people concerned about the welfare of your dog. Cavaliers are true lap dogs happiest when the can be with you. I think you really shoud have researched a bit more about the breed before you decided to own one.

In my opinion No dog should be left alone while the owner works an 8 hour day 5 days a week,especially a cavalier. Just my opinion of course but maybe instead of being so defensive of the advice you've been given, you could reassess the situation:thmbsup:

Yorkysue
30th August 2009, 06:07 PM
he will wind up lying in his crate anyway after a while if i leave him alone
it is not a small crate
it is has about 2 feet in height. 24x21x21


24x21x21 is tiny for a dog to stay in during the Day! and I mean it. Also Your puppy is being deprived of any socialisation for long periods of time. He will be very lonely. Stop fooling yourself.

And as to training books telling you to cage pups for an hour at a time on the hours. What the H*** type of books are those! It sounds like incarceration - don't these people like dogs? or what?.

Yes I understand that crating puppies overnight to help housetrain them can work. BUT NOT DURING THE DAY AS WELL!

I have never had to resort to crating a pup to housetrain them! IMHO it's an excuse - and the odd accidents always right themselves when a puppy gets proper control of it's bladder and bowels! but I digress.

IndyTulip
31st August 2009, 02:59 AM
the very first day i got the puppy i spent the whole day playing and cuddling with him in my lap to make him feel at home.
Then I realized..I can't baby him or else he won't be okay on his own and will be weak and i'll never get anything done for myself.
For the first 3 weeks I was on a strict consistent routine and i was home all day w/ him to teach him to pee outside
take him out, if he pees, treat, then bring in and play for 20 minutes.
Then put him in the crate. Then an hour or 2 later, take him outside, let him pee..if he doesn't put him back in the crate for 15 minutes, then try again..
when he does go praise and treat, he gets more playtime and then back inthe crate again..he had to learn to like the crate and know it was his safe place.
this is crate training 101.
I did not want to use training pads...or newspaper..actually he tore up one pad. If he went in the house I'd yell no, and then grab him and place him outside. I did not want him to know that going indoors was okay.


I went out for an hour and left him in the kitchen for an hour yesterday...i think he is even more lonely being left in the kitchen after staring at the door he sniffed around and he wound up going in his crate anyway.

IndyTulip
31st August 2009, 06:23 AM
a puppy peeing on your kitchen floor because you left him there alone
is no accident. he did it on purpose because no one is around and he doesn't have to lie in it.
I think THAT is irresponsible.
It is good practice holding his urine
.An accident is when you are there and you missed his cues or he can't get to the door to wait by it.

pippa
31st August 2009, 02:54 PM
IndyTulip.........


WORDS FAIL ME! Why did you get a dog?????

Yorkysue
31st August 2009, 08:04 PM
a puppy peeing on your kitchen floor because you left him there alone
is no accident. he did it on purpose because no one is around and he doesn't have to lie in it.
I think THAT is irresponsible.

For God's sake, a dog doesn't do things 'on purpose' - that's human think! Yorkysue

It is good practice holding his urine

I agree - it is good practice for a dog to have self control, but he will naturally get that as he grows older.

Can you go for 8hrs at a time during the day without a pee? (I can't - I would definitely have 'an accident! (whoops));)

But the thing that really worries me is how lonely your puppy is. If all you're worried about is your dog peeing - then you shouldn't have got him. Yorkysue

.An accident is when you are there and you missed his cues or he can't get to the door to wait by it.

An accident is an accident. Full stop. Yorkysue.

Karlin
31st August 2009, 09:30 PM
a puppy peeing on your kitchen floor because you left him there alone
is no accident. he did it on purpose because no one is around and he doesn't have to lie in it.
I think THAT is irresponsible.

God help you, but especially that poor cavalier puppy. That is one of the most idiotic comments I have ever read by a (presumably) sentient adult. It's a *puppy*. A *baby*. I sure hope you do not have children.

Sadly some people never progress beyond thinking like a selfish child and assume that just because they want something, they are entitled to have it. That's fine if it's a handbag or a pair of shoes but (unfortunately for that creature) you now own a living, breathing, sensitive animal yet seem not to have put two nanoseconds of research into caring dog ownership.

I sure hope you take the time to educate yourself, and learn someday to have some compassion and insight.

If you want to try, I recommend downloading this free Ian Dunbar classic:

http://www.dogstardaily.com/after-you-get-your-puppy-0

I'd love to see you hold your urine for 8 hours. Go on! It's good practice! :rolleyes: