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Cavalier Breed Notes

Bet

Well-known member
Norma has put on other Cavalier Sites mention of her Breed Notes .

It's still disappointing to note ,after the information in the recent UK CKCS CLUB Magazine that the CKCS Committee have decided that it will be shortly implemented that only Puppies from Heart and Eye Tested Parents can be advertised on the CLUB PUPPY REGISTER ,that Norma has never mentioned to Prospective Cavalier Buyers , only buy Cavaliers from Cavalier Breeders who have Health Tested their Cavalier Breeding Stock, that those Cavalier Buyers should ask to see a Certificate showing that this has been carried ,does she not believe in this policy.
 
Sorry folks about this, it seems that I have annoyed some on the the CC List about questioning Norma why she has never given advice to Prospective Cavalier Buyers always to ask to see a Health Certificate from the Cavalier Breeder showing the Breeding Stock has been Health Tested.

This is some-thing I have believed should have been done 20 years ago ,and perhaps the MVD Problem in Cavaliers would'nt be so wide -spread as it is to-day.

Hope-fully when the APGAW and Professor Bateson's Reports come out Norma might then consider giving them a mention.
 
Getting out the megaphone

Sorry folks about this, it seems that I have annoyed some on the the CC List about questioning Norma why she has never given advice to Prospective Cavalier Buyers always to ask to see a Health Certificate from the Cavalier Breeder showing the Breeding Stock has been Health Tested.

This is some-thing I have believed should have been done 20 years ago ,and perhaps the MVD Problem in Cavaliers would'nt be so wide -spread as it is to-day.

Hope-fully when the APGAW and Professor Bateson's Reports come out Norma might then consider giving them a mention.

Below is an interesting quote from CavalierChat forum, written by a puppy register coordinator/health representative/ regional club chairman/ forum moderator
( My goodness, what a lot of power in one pair of hands )

"I have always had a lot of respect for Bet but I'm getting a bit fed up with her continually complaining on various sites that there is nothing in your breed notes advising puppy buyers to ask for health certificates of the parents of new puppies. Surely that would be just preaching to the converted!! Breed notes are for people who already have the breed!! And also for the latest news about cavaliers, both pet and show. There is plenty of advice available on the web for people thinking of buying a puppy."

I decided to see what advice her CavalierHealth forum offered to puppy buyers searching for health information.

I couldn't find anything.......just a list of club contacts.

Strange that on a forum where three out of the four moderators either run puppy registers or are club health representatives?
 
Hi Bet,
Norma seems pretty quick on the uptake, but as yet I've failed to observe any powers of telepathy, so if you want her to include something,then tell her about it in advance, instead of pointing out what you'd like to see after the breed notes are uploaded and posted;).

It's still disappointing to note ,after the information in the recent UK CKCS CLUB Magazine that the CKCS Committee have decided that it will be shortly implemented that only Puppies from Heart and Eye Tested Parents can be advertised on the CLUB PUPPY REGISTER

Is this the same decision that was taken and reported at the AGM on 22 nd March? (Cavalier Club website)

The committee have decided that we will shortly be implementing a requirement that only puppies from eye and heart tested parents can be advertised on our Club Puppy Register.
That's six months ago and it's still not implemented, if they're still hoping to do it "shortly" then they'd better get moving.....any news on a definite date?
With all the opportunities provided by the Club to avail of eye and heart testing, there's no reason whatsoever why heart and eye testing cannot be carried out cheaply and effectively, or why anyone should feel aggrieved that the regsiter should only be available to breeders who have carried out required tests to advertise.It's essential that the Club do this as quickly as possible to assure buyers that they care about the quality and health of the future litters.
I'm still enjoying the breed notes(y).
I was reminded of a neighbour of mine that I visited a few weeks ago while trying to reunite a lost cavalier.They briefly showed many years ago and had a very nice B&Tcavalier.
They gave up breeding when the IKC introduced mandatory microchipping and they said they dodn't care for it.They preferred not to vaccinate or worm or use any of those nasty chemicals on their dogs and preferred to keep it "natural".I'd have liked to have had a better look at their cavaliers but I couldn't really see them through the haze of cigarette smoke:p:p.
Sins
 
They preferred not to vaccinate or worm or use any of those nasty chemicals on their dogs and preferred to keep it "natural".I'd have liked to have had a better look at their cavaliers but I couldn't really see them through the haze of cigarette smoke:p:p.
Sins

Pets and passive smoking...don't get me started! :rolleyes:
 
Very low aspirations surely to think that Breed Notes is only read by those who already own the breed!

Yet even if someone was insisting the readership is small, nonetheless ownership does not mean owners (and breeders!) don't need such information or at least updates on issues such as that highlighted by Sins. Oddly, though the KC and CKCS Club have stressed the importance of not 'alienating' cavalier breeders by requiring proper health testing in order to receive KC registration, they also -- though they have mentioned a promise to do so -- also failed to take the very simple, inexpensive step of mailing out some basic information on health tests, and MVD/SM and other breed health issues when breeders register their puppies. Geez, will some basic information also 'alienate' them? Enough to not pay the KC to register puppies anymore? What are the priorities here: healthy dogs (as the KC keeps claiming) or puppy registration income?

So many very simple, very obvious, very basic, very inexpensive, very far-reaching steps could be taken to help the breed but somehow they are always being promised and never implemented.

What a shame that something as basic and positive such as the intention to require breeders to eye and heart test if they wish to be listed by the club puppy register-- which is surely of *key* interest and importance to the club people we are told are the main readers of Breed Notes -- has been neglected? But I guess if no one is actually requiring this yet then maybe there's nothing after all to announce? Anyone know where this initiative stands at this time?
 
Very low aspirations surely to think that Breed Notes is only read by those who already own the breed!

Well...... that is probably correct now they are no longer published in Dog World.


failed to take the very simple, inexpensive step of mailing out some basic information on health tests, and MVD/SM and other breed health issues when breeders register their puppies..

Yet the Kennel Club have been promising that since 2005.

What are the priorities here: healthy dogs (as the KC keeps claiming) or puppy registration income?
So many very simple, very obvious, very basic, very inexpensive, very far-reaching steps could be taken to help the breed but somehow they are always being promised and never implemented.

:xctly:


What a shame that something as basic and positive such as the intention to require breeders to eye and heart test if they wish to be listed by the club puppy register-- which is surely of *key* interest and importance to the club people we are told are the main readers of Breed Notes -- has been neglected?.

My guess is that opposition from influential breeders is delaying this. There is an enormous gap between what the regional club committee members say publicly, and the pressure they bring to bear privately, when any health related reforms are suggested.

Anyone know where this initiative stands at this time?

I will contact the Cavalier Club Secretary and see if she can tell me when it will be implemented.
 
Cavalier Breed Notes.

Sins, even although Norma and I are Scots, we have different views about the Health Testing of our Cavalier Breed! We have had exchanges in the Past about this, so there is no chance of me wanting her to mention in her new Breed Note Site, that all Cavalier Breeders should Health Test their Breeding Stock,and Prospective Cavalier Buyers be being told to ask for a Certificate to show that the Cavalier Breeder has carried out those Health Tests

I did'nt realize that the mention of not having Cavalier Puppies advertised if their Parents had not been Heart or Eye Tested,had been announced at the Club AGM in March.

Is this just another case of the Club paying Lip Service, what is the delay,.

If only Cavalier Breeders had been open in the past, just even 20 years ago or even 10 years ago,about the Health Problems in Cavaliers ,would some Cavalier Breeders have to be being involved to-day in Limitation Exercises trying to get across as to what a Wonderful Breed our Cavaliers are ,.

We lovers of our Cherished Cavaliers know that ,but it's their Health Problems that seem to be either nearly out of control or have reached that state that concerns us .

I just wonder why Norma felt the need to advertise her New Breed Note Site on about every Cavalier Site,hope-fully now that she is doing this, New Cavalier Readers to it ,will be made aware of the importance of Prospective Cavalier Buyers to always ask to see a Health Certificate from the Cavalier Breeder showing that their Cavalier Breeding Stock has been Health Tested.

Margaret ,after having just found out about the mention of the Advertisement of Cavalier Puppies at the Club AGM in March,I do hope you can discover what is causing the delay.
 
there is no chance of me wanting her to mention in her new Breed Note Site, that all Cavalier Breeders should Health Test their Breeding Stock
That's fair enough Bet, but really, in that case it seems a bit unjust that she should be criticised for NOT mentioning it then....
I know you have different views on health testing .. so do I..... but I wouldn't see that as a reason to detract from my enjoyment of the breed notes.
I see breed notes have returned to Dogworld courtesy of Ruth Boundy and very best of luck to her.So we all have something to look forward to, both at the start and at the end of the week.
So Bet, where does cavalier health testing go from here?
Well the club couldn't possibly do any more to provide access to heart and eye testing short of bundling Simon Swift and co. into the back of a van and making them do house calls....so it just remains to do connect it all together and get the puppy register issue sorted out and publicise and promote the heart list. I think it's important to accentuate the positive and highlight the outstanding results.
Sins
 
Well Sins ,where the Cavalier Health Testing can go from here is , I believe there is to be Mandatory Health Testing for both MVD and SM for Accredited Breeders starting early next year.

Just one Snag ,some of the Hard Core of Cavalier Breeders have said they won't be joining that scheme. Just the same as some have said they won't be MRI Scanning their Breeding Stock ,to help Dr Blott for the EBV Scheme.

So after Professor Sir P Bateson's mention on the Video that he gave ,that maybe there will be in the Code of Practice ,a ruling that all Dog Owners ,this will include Cavalier Owners I guess, that if a Buyer has been sold a Cavalier ,developes a Health Problem known about in the Cavalier Breed ,the Cavalier Breeder has not done a Health Test for that condition ,then the unfortunate Cavalier Owner can take Legal action against the Breeder,with the help of a Charitible Institution.

Finally Sins ,what are the Positive and outstanding results about the MVD problem in our Cavalier Breed ,as Simon Swift has said at the recent UK CKCS AGM ,50% of Cavaliers will have a Heart Murmur at 5 years of age , This no better than it was 18 years ago.
 
Having read Karlin's Post again,I just wonder is it only a Big Con by the UK CKCS CLUB saying that the CKCS Committee that they will be shortly implementing a Requirement that only Puppies from Heart and Eye Tested Parents can be advertised on the Club Puppy Register .

This had been mentioned at the Club AGM in March ,that was 6 months ago. !!!!
 
Having read Karlin's Post again,I just wonder is it only a Big Con by the UK CKCS CLUB saying that the CKCS Committee that they will be shortly implementing a Requirement that only Puppies from Heart and Eye Tested Parents can be advertised on the Club Puppy Register .

This had been mentioned at the Club AGM in March ,that was 6 months ago. !!!!

Just put up on the Cavalier Club website today.......www.thecavalierclub.co.uk

A form has been added to their puppy register section that must be filled in by breeders putting their puppies on the Cavalier Club register.:w*w:

Details of the parents heart and eye certificates must be filled in. SM details are still voluntary

Well done to the Cavalier Club.
 
That's great news. :) It will be helpful to breeders and to puppy buyers.

I'd like to see the KC follow through on its promises about sending health information to all who register cavalier litters. The club could have a key role in advising what should go in, or approving a packet of health info. I give such a packet to everyone who takes one of my rescue dogs -- surely it is just as, if not more, important for actual breeders to have such information?
 
Never thought 20 years ago I would see this day . ....It's marvellous.

What is great about this as well is the mention of the Sire 's Health Details along with the Dam's.

What a Giant Step Forward the UK CKCS CLUB has made in trying to give our Cherished Cavaliers the Chance of a Healthier ,Longer Life.

I just can't take this News in yet.
 
I had a look at the Puppy Register Form, maybe I missed something.
http://www.thecavalierclub.co.uk/puppy/puppy_form.pdf

Regarding Hearts all the Club asks is that the Sire and Dam has a current Clear Heart Certificate, and there is NO mention that the Sire and Dam must have been tested at 2½ years or older.

Also the Club does NOT ask for heart health details on the 4 Grandparents where each at that time be tested Clear at 5 years or older.

Heart Specialist Simon Swift at the 2009 AGM as to why there was little change in incidence over 18 years he did mention this.
"Disappointingly few dogs are presented at 5 - 6 years of age which is the time that testing is critical according to the breeding programme."
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EddyAnne , I am just so grateful to the UK CKCS CLUB for putting to the fore -front that they will not be accepting for the Cavalier Puppy Register ,Puppies whose Parents have not been Heart or Eye Tested, this I would think is bound to show to the Prospective Cavalier buying Public the importance of only Buying Cavaliers from those Health Tested Parents.

It's the Buyers of our lovely Breed who have to be made aware that how it is so important to buy only from Cavalier Breeding Stock whose Hearts and Eyes have been Health Tested,you mention about the2,6 of Cavaliers being Tested ,but I would think that if Cavaliers have to show that they have a Current Health Certificate, then that age will be being covered.

Just be like me ,and be so grateful to our UK CKCS CLUB for what they have done, do you know of any other CKCS CLUB World Wide who has done this, I don't.
 
Just had to mention this ,the Nit Picking and Griping has already started on the CC Forum.

I would have thought it would have been recognized that if Puppies mentioned ,Parents had not been Health Tested for Heart and Eye Problems, then they would not be allowed on the CKCS PUPPY REGISTER.

This must be the best out-let for Cavalier Breeders to sell their Cavalier Puppies .
 
Bet I know that you like to contact Specialists. Maybe you can contact Simon Swift and provide a link to the Puppy Register Form, then ask him for his opinion and I note he has access to the Heart Testing Database. Please let us know of his reply.
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