View Full Version : Foster sorted M ruby 3yr old

27th October 2009, 12:07 PM
I have Stitch, a young male cavalier coming into rescue. He has been a family pet and loves children, including young kids, and gets along with other dogs. His owner is working two jobs due to economic circumstances and he is home alone and she rightly feels he would do better in an active family situation.

Stitch has had some major challenges so far in his young life. He came from one of the CRAP large scale breeders in Wicklow who didn't want to know anything about the fact that she had bred a dog with two luxatting patellas and an irregular heartbeat. :swear: I am well aware of this woman who advertises herself on her website as a 'family' kennel when puppy farmer is a better term. I have had other rescue dogs come in of her breeding and wish she could be put out of business. At least one vet has reported her as a puppy farmer. (NB: please do NOT buy puppies from any Wicklow-based cavalier breeders with websites without PMing me first for advice! These people always will seem so friendly until you have an issue you need resolved. Then they change their phone numbers or stop taking calls).

Stitch had both his knees done so has no problems with patellas. :) However he does have his heart issue. This may or may not have any effect at all on his future (as with cavalier heart problems generally). I will be getting him to my vet for further information but I understand he is not on medication and his heart is not an issue for him at all at this time, just something to watch for.

In short this is a great family dog but in need of some training. He is only semi-housetrained and will need to start from scratch on this. A condition of homing will be a basic obedience class at Dog Training Ireland. :)

Pictures to come.

He will be neutered, chipped, and all the usuals before being rehomed.

Right now, he needs a foster who will work on his housetraining and needs to go for his snip and chip. I would like to get him into a foster place this week.

30th October 2009, 06:27 PM
Foster sorted, this little guy went to Thelly today. She says he is bright and lively and a smallish sized but solid cavalier! He was running around checking out her place. Next step will be to get him to the vet to get more info on his general shape. :)

30th October 2009, 06:35 PM
Well done Thelly, would still love to see pictures :D

30th October 2009, 07:20 PM
Great news. Well done Thelly :thnku:

2nd November 2009, 01:54 PM
Finally some pics of Stitch. Getting on well with my gang (even LouLou!) and the visitors.


2nd November 2009, 02:01 PM
Those eyes are so expressive! Esp. the third picture. He is lovely. Good for you Thelly.

2nd November 2009, 02:01 PM
Thanks for posting Thelly. He's gorgeous :luv:
Glad he's settling in well :)

2nd November 2009, 02:10 PM
He is fabulous.... who could resist that face!

2nd November 2009, 02:26 PM
Thanks Thelly -- he is a smallish fellow and very cute! I like how he is being checked out by another ruby in the 2nd pic... :lol:

2nd November 2009, 03:39 PM
He is gorgeous. I so wish I could have him but my hubby would go mad!! Think we have enough on our plate!! I still say I have loads of time for cuddling!!

2nd November 2009, 03:43 PM
A condition of homing will be a basic obedience class at Dog Training Ireland. :)

Just a quick question on this. Im trying to presuade my sister in law into rescuing a dog rather then getting a puppy, she wants a cocker spaniel. We all know how expensive dogs are especially when you first get them. I also see the benefits of the class however is this not just adding to the cost? The course as I understand costs over 100.

2nd November 2009, 03:47 PM
Yeah I had a look and a six week course would cost €120

2nd November 2009, 03:56 PM
Sorry I think its actually €165 for 4 weeks... must have gotten confused with another site I was looking at. I'm sure its worth the money at the end of it tho...

2nd November 2009, 03:57 PM
Dont get me wrong the course is great and we learned allot but these days everyone is struggling and every saving counts. One thing I learned when I got the dogs is that they are very expensive, well worth it, but expensive especially when you go a bit mad buying them huge beds and toys!!

2nd November 2009, 06:30 PM
Hoo boy. Where to begin?

A training class is the most basic investment in a happy and successful future for a rescue dog and its new owners. A major reason I get dogs into rescue are behaviour problems that are clearly the result of a bored dog and no training, hence little self control.

I get really annoyed that people consider a rescue dog to be a budget price bargain that might be especially attractive in a downturn and shouldn't deserve the basic investments of any other dog. Not least because rescues are anything BUT bargain dogs; they often will have MORE built in costs in terms of health alone because they come from unknown backgrounds (and given that not a single breeder that I know of in Ireland properly health tests their breeding stock, puppies from Irish breeders already are at a disadvantage healthwise).

Buying even the most shoddily-bred puppy-farm puppy out of Donedeal or Buy&Sell would still cost more than a DTI class PLUS my homing fee which in any event covers vet costs and other costs to me. By the time this guy is homed, I personally will have put more time and cash into getting him sorted than I could earn back if I put the same amount of time into my actual job. Any given dog has hours and hours of work behind him before he is homed. I would find it insulting that any new owner wouldn't put some basic time, commitment and money into him as well.

Like most cavaliers that come into rescue, this dog that has never had any formal obedience and would hugely benefit from every single aspect of training -- the self control, the confidence gained, the socialisation with dogs and people, the bonding to the new owner. The new owner will have fun, make friends, see their new dog gain new abilities and confidence, and in particular, get direct advice on any issue that surfaces in those initial weeks of ownership, and have trainers they can call for advice for years to come. To me, a training class is the bargain, a small up-front investment that will pay dividends for the dog's entire life. The fact that so many here do repeat classes and seminars at DTI speaks to the value of their classes.

2nd November 2009, 08:35 PM
Im not disputing that the course is very valuable my point is that with so many dogs needing homes and so many being abandoned making this course at a cost of 165 a condition of receiving the dog is unfair and unreasonable.

Take our situation we have two cavs one did the course and the other one did not. They are both well behaved dogs and we have put time and effort into them and training them. This however was done over time and not as a result of the course. If we wanted a rescue do is it fair that we would have to do the course when we have so much experience with cavs.

I do not see a rescue dog as the budget option. I see a rescue dog as a dog in need of a home and I would gladly take one if I could, maybe in a few years I would love to rescue a cav instead of getting one from a breeder because I feel sometimes rescue dogs are overlooked. My sister in law wants a dog and would buy one from a breeder I just feel with so many cavs needing homes why not rescue one and welcome it into a happy home and give it loads of love.

I do however feel that it should be suggested to someone taking a rescue to do the DTI course, and the majority probably will and would enjoy it however I do not think this should be a condition of the rescuing.

5th November 2009, 03:50 PM
Well: it is and yes, I would indeed consider that you don't know so much about cavaliers or dogs that you and a dog would not benefit from a course -- especially as you don't seem to realise that it would. I have taken numerous dogs through basic courses and other courses too, as well as several weekend seminars, despite having owned dogs for 40 years and each time it is a GREAT benefit to each dog, and I always learn something new and helpful. And I am pretty sure I am a lot older and more experienced with dogs that you.

I consider that type of commitment to a dog like this absolutely essential, not an option, and it is clear from your post that the issue is indeed one of keeping the adoption at a low price if the worry is the overall cost package.

First: what really annoys me here is that I and volunteers who work with rescue put hours of time and our own money into these dogs and then people want the dogs to be cheap for them to adopt, never considering the costs that go into each dog that they benefit from and don't have to pay for. Doing rescue is a second almost full time job for me at times. I get calls at night, on weekends, on holidays, and when I am abroad demanding I sort out someone's dog or it will be pts or go to the pound (plenty here can vouch how many times I have been trying to sort a dog from the US, Asia, or Europe while on my holidays or work trips :( ), or answer a behaviour question, or if I have any available dogs because someone wants one this week. Some give free boarding/kenneling fostering to dogs. Others spend their own time and petrol to transport. Then there are the vet costs. This dog will cost me WELL over what I will ask for him as a homing charge. I just spent €93 on a blood panel. He needs a neuter on top of that and to be chipped. Maybe other tests -- he will cost me/rescue several hundred MORE than his new family will get him for. His boarding, if Thelly was charging, would be in the hundreds of euro probably by the time he gets placed. Where do people think the money comes from to pay for al this? It is homing fees and donations and out of my pocket and others who do not charge for their time. Please folks, think about that the next time it is 10pm on a Saturday and you are out with friends or while you are lying on the beach on holidays while someone in rescue is returning from halfway across the country with a barking rescue dog in a crate, having had to cancel a day with THEIR friends. That is what the reality of doing this is.

I do not view the homing of dogs as an area of price compromise or sensitivity regardless of a downturn, setting aside the fact that these lovely rescue dogs already are at far below what a puppy would cost (or half the adults on Donedeal for that matter) and already come spayed/neutered etc -- saving the owner at LEAST euro150). I also will not compromise on making sure each dog gets its basic needs addressed. I make those decisions on needs based on experience, having worked with several rescues before starting ICR and now having placed in the region of 200 cavaliers into new homes; and in consultation with vets and certified trainers.

So: as far as I am concerned, if people cannot afford a basic obedience class -- one of the most critical and rewarding and basic investments that can be made in a dog, and which is doing something valuable *for the dog*, then they really shouldn't be getting a dog anyway, especially not if the view is that the low cost of a rescue dog needs to be kept low. :sl*p:

Stitch is a dog that already has some special needs given his health history and anyone baulking at a basic class and depriving him of the benefits it would bring him on the basis of cost would have me extremely concerned they'd dump him at the first sight of a health issue.

I am closing this thread as this mindset is truly frustrating to me, and the thread has gone way off the topic -- and the need -- of *finding a loving home for this dog*. I will start a fresh adoption thread for Stitch. I will also ask yet again that people PLEASE do not post to rescue threads unless the post is directly on the topic of *finding the dog a home*. If people wish to debate broader rescue issues this can be done in a new thread but please not into a dog's own homing thread.