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sins
13th December 2009, 04:38 PM
Following Daisy's diagnosis,I am considering having her spayed.
She's exactly three months since her last season and if I'm to do it,now is a good time and maybe she'll be recovered in time for Christmas.
She was never intended to be a Mom anyway although I dread the thought of having her undergo a surgical procedure..even though I had planned to have her done next year.If I book her in on Saturday next would she be recovered for Christmas?
Sins

WoodHaven
13th December 2009, 05:04 PM
I had my SM bitch spay 3 years ago.
I told my vet to put in an IV- this would create a portal to the vein for any drugs she may need if she had an issues on the table. (I worried about her having a seizure on the table)
I had my vet use human grade gas-- the same they give people. AND no drugs (pre-anesthesia) that cross the blood/brain barrier.
My vet kept someone with her the entire time while in recovery. She was trying to stand less than 10 minutes out of surgery. By 30 minutes she was almost normal.

It takes about a week before they look healed-- I'd say it takes over a month before everything inside has dissolved and is fit. I had a bitch take almost 8 weeks to heal because her body was rejecting the dissolvable stitches. She needed to be on special antibiotics because it made open sores etc... She wasn't in my care at the time :(

jacies
13th December 2009, 06:29 PM
I had Chaos spayed when she was 2 1/2 years old when she already had symptoms of SM but I did not realise. My vet always keeps them in overnight so she was fine when I collected her. Was quiet for a few days and not allowed to jump around for a few weeks. I guess it would depend on what your plans are for Christmas whether to have it done before or wait until after. It would probably be good if you are able to spend more time with her.

Karlin
14th December 2009, 12:10 AM
I know some have had neurologists recommend a spay/neuter because it generally creates a calmer dog which helps with SM. Offhand, I don't know of any special recommendations from neurologists on any need for special procedures or precautions on a procedure like this.

Karen and Ruby
14th December 2009, 12:23 AM
Ruby was spayed before she was diagnosed with SM although i knew she wasnt 'right' by this time.
She recovered at the rate that I thought but she has recovered slowly everytime she has needed to be sedated or anaethetised. It knocks her for six and she isnt right until well in to the next day.

I must say if I had known about the SM it may well have changed my opinions on whether to spay or not.
I have the desision of whether to get Charlie Neutered or not still on my mind as his heart is very weak. He needs to put on some weight before then anyway.

I would agree with Sandy though and discuss your concerns with the vet and see where it goes from there.

I did notice on CC about having difficulties with grooming an SM dog after spaying and I have to say that grooming isnt difficult at all.
I made a desison to clip behind Rubys ears (the very fine fluffy hair) once every 2 months and the 5 minutes of clipping erradiacates daily uncomfortable brushing for her and you cant even tell the difference. I have it down to a fine art!!!

Love my Cavaliers
14th December 2009, 05:11 AM
My vet wants to consult with Riley's neurologist before she has any procedure requiring anesthesia. Just covering all bases, but she wants to be sure that whatever she uses will be something Riley can tolerate. Do you have a neurologist for Daisy yet? If so, you might ask him/her their professional opinion about types and dosages of anesthesia to use and this might help you to put your mind at ease. i think she should be pretty well recovered in a week's time, but I don't think she will have had her stitches out yet (may be wrong on that though) and you will probably still have to restrict her activity some.

Soushiruiuma
14th December 2009, 02:21 PM
If you have insurance perhaps a consult with an endocrinologist would be helpful. The sex hormones are derived from cholesterol, as are other hormones like prednisone. Sex hormones can increase or decrease inflammation, and I don't have anywhere near enough background to tell you which way they could sway things.

An endocrinologist, or perhaps your neurologist, could give you better information about how loss of those hormones could affect her disease.

Kate H
14th December 2009, 03:40 PM
Karen wrote: Ruby has recovered slowly everytime she has needed to be sedated or anaesthetised.

One of the unforeseen (but useful) consequences of Oliver's first scan was that he too takes ages to come round fully from sedation. So now there is a note of warning on his vet notes, and when he had an X-ray last summer (for his spondylosis) he didn't have a GA at all, just half the normal amount of sedation, and he was fine. At his second scan I warned them about his sensitivity and they gave him the lowest possible dose of sedative and he came round in about an hour. If they don't come round for ages, they probably don't need as much sedative/GA in the first place, and I find vets are very willing to adjust the dose.

Kate, Oliver and Aled

sins
14th December 2009, 08:09 PM
The vet didn't seem concerned about spaying her.It'll be scheduled for the new year..he just said the risks are basiclly 0.5% chance of anaesthetic complications,minor risk of infection but they recover very quickly and have a 48 hour post op check and stitches out on day 7.
So I'm going ahead....
He prescribed easotix for the middle ear problems and gave me a second follow up course to administer two weeks after the first.
Then with the ears sorted we can see if the SM is causing her any problems and he'll look at the need for a diuretic.
Sins

Wagtails
17th December 2009, 02:00 AM
My vet's practice has recently introduced keyhole/laparoscopic surgery for spaying. Having had all my Cavvies spayed conventionally in the past, I decided to try the new technique when my Shih-tzu was spayed some months ago. The difference in recovery time was dramatic - there are no external stitches.

Obviously this will only be relevant if you have a vet in your area who has experience doing laparoscopies, but if you are interested to know more, have a look at my vet's website page on the subject at
http://www.martinandcarrvets.co.uk/KeyholeSurgeryExtra.html

They still mention that the op is suitable for bitches over 10kg, but now they have plenty of experience with the procedure, they are happy to include much smaller bitches too - Lucy weighs just over 5 kg.

sins
7th January 2010, 08:21 PM
I've booked her in for 9am on Saturday morning.:(
I know it's the correct thing to do but still....I hope she comes through it well without complication.
She'll have a check up on Monday and stitches out the following friday so hopefully in a week it'll all be behind her and we can relax.
I know some of you have used babygro's or vests to put on your dogs post op to stop them eating stitches.What age group do you use? maybe age 18-24 months?
Sins

Nicki
7th January 2010, 09:53 PM
Will be thinking of you on Saturday Sins, I'm sure she will be just fine.

I would write something to the vet and take it in with you, just reminding them about her condition, and about handling - ie no slip leads, to be extra careful when lifting Daisy.

Keep us posted!!


Yes we do use the babygros, I will have to check the size for you.

I bought one of these {off E-bay} http://www.amazinganimal.co.uk/comfy-cone-medium-21cm-p-30869.html

It is much kinder than the hard plastic collars, and the dogs seem to tolerate it better. It is so hard with an SM dog, but you might find she is ok in this.

TBH most Cavaliers don't seem to bother too much with their stitches - if someone is around to supervise, then I tend to leave them "free" - obvioulsy if you are not with them, then you need to do something to protect them just in case.

Karlin
7th January 2010, 10:33 PM
I'd measure her neck to top of tail, then go to any second hand store -- they usually have a whole basket of used babygrows. I bought a couple in different sizes -- they were only 3 for a euro or something. :)

sins
7th January 2010, 10:53 PM
I have friends with babies and toddlers....I've already asked them for some old babygros and they just want to know what size...
They've also nicknamed my house "CleanerClose Cavaliers":shock:..after the washingpowder ad I assume...
Sins

Nicki
8th January 2010, 02:15 PM
Sins, I have both 12-18 months and 18-24 months...

The smaller one worked well for the bitches, and the larger for the dogs {or bigger bitches!} Maybe ask for both, you can always return the ones you don't use!!

Worth having a couple anyway.


Don't forget to put them on "back to front" - ie the shorter side on top. I then found you could do a popper up next to the tail, and sometimes one on the other side too. You can just undo the popper and roll the vest up a bit for when they go out for a wee.


Paws and everything crossed here for tomorrow.

:flwr::lotsaluv::flwr:

Claire L
8th January 2010, 07:29 PM
Wishing Daisy well tomorrow. Will be thinking of you :hug::hug:

Devilica
8th January 2010, 07:37 PM
Good luck for tomorrow :)

I chose to get Tilly spayed after finding out that she had SM. I knew that if the worst ever happened somehow and she ended up in whelp I would never forgive myself.

sins
9th January 2010, 10:59 AM
Thanks guys!
My husband dropped her down for 9 am and we should have her back around 2 or 3 pm.I didn't sleep at all last night so I got up a 5 am and played with Holly to pass the time..poor Daisy went off all bouncy and excited,thinking she was off for a spin and a walk..poor lamb.
Sins

MadPip
9th January 2010, 11:55 AM
Hoping all goes well for you today. Let us know.

Margaret C
9th January 2010, 11:56 AM
:xfngr: Keeping my fingers crossed for Daisy

*Pauline*
9th January 2010, 12:35 PM
Thinking of you today Sinead. xxx :hug:

MARK MARSHALL
9th January 2010, 01:18 PM
And positive thoughts are heading your way, from all at Oxencombe.

Regards Mark.

sins
9th January 2010, 03:43 PM
She's home....
She's asleep in her crate on a big red cushion and hot water bottle.Poor thing looks groggy but seems comfortable.The vet says no need for a cone or babygro :confused:,but fair enough,we'll see how it goes.She got a painkilling injection and a long acting antibiotic shot.
I'm just glad to have her home.Thanks for the txts and good wishes and all the sound advice,it really helped.
Sins

Nicki
9th January 2010, 04:56 PM
Great news Sins, you and Daisy have been in our thoughts all day :jmp2:

I'm sure she will be bouncing in just a few days and you'll have the opposite problem then - trying to keep her quiet!!

Best thing for today and tomorrow is lots of sleep, just keep her warm, offer her something light to eat if she wants it {boiled chicken and rice or similar} - mine never read the instructions from the vets about not being hungry, they are ALWAYS starving!!

Potty trips on the lead for the first week.


OK then instructions for YOU - you can relax now, have a nice hot bath and put your feet up ;)

Love my Cavaliers
9th January 2010, 05:14 PM
Neither of my girls used a cone or babygro after their spays. They just never seemed to pay any attention to the stitches, luckily. And like Nicki said, no dog of mine has ever come home from a surgical procedure, teeth cleaning, etc. and NOT been starved. They want to eat immediately. Foget waiting hours to let them settle in! Lots of cuddles are due now. I'm glad she came through o.k and is home with you. It's a long day waiting for them.

Gem
9th January 2010, 05:16 PM
So glad Daisy is home and ok - she'll be backto her normal self in no time. We never used a baby-gro or collar with our 2, they just left the stitches alone xx