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JazzyJasper
23rd April 2010, 02:05 PM
I am a new member and this is my first post,

i have 2 cavaliers, Harry aged 5 and Jasper aged 5 months

Jasper has been having these episodes where he will colapse is unable to stand but is well aware of whats going on around him, his tail still wags in true cavalier form they last a few seconds to a min and is back to his usual happy self, his first episode was the day we brought him home and he has 2 or 3 a week.

i have read on here about falling syndrome and the videos that i have seen are exactly like Jaspers episodes.

is his life in danger?? :confused::(

Margaret C
23rd April 2010, 06:32 PM
I don't think Episodic Falling Syndrome, if that is what Jasper has got, is life threatening.

Look at this website http://www.episodicfalling.com/

If you go into the contact section, Barbara Reese will be able to help you.

JazzyJasper
23rd April 2010, 06:44 PM
Thanks

Have looked at the videos on youtube and it is exactly like Jasper
my neighbour seen him have an episode today and she was in bits :( but then couldn't believe how quickly he recovered

he's such a sweet dog, so laid back and loving i just hate to see him like this :(

JazzyJasper
23rd April 2010, 08:17 PM
just managed to catch an episode on video :(

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/hebs_1978/th_MOV_0076.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/hebs_1978/?action=view&current=MOV_0076.flv)

*Pauline*
23rd April 2010, 08:21 PM
Oh goodness that is scary. :hug:

JazzyJasper
23rd April 2010, 08:25 PM
Oh goodness that is scary. :hug:

it is when it's happening, but he's back to his happy self within minutes :D

my vet does home boarding and Harry and Japer stayed with him for a week in March, and he only said that Jasper didn't like going on walks, never mentioned anything else x

*Pauline*
23rd April 2010, 08:36 PM
Do you usually hold him while it happens? I've seen videos of EF before but he really does throw himself about, I'm worried he'll bang himself on something.

JazzyJasper
23rd April 2010, 08:39 PM
yeah but i wanted to record him this time so i can show my vet, thought it would be better than trying to explain

as soon as i got what i needed i did give him a hug to sooth him til it passed x

*Pauline*
23rd April 2010, 08:54 PM
Do you have any warning it's coming on and does it distress him?

JazzyJasper
23rd April 2010, 09:11 PM
he runs funny. like a bunny hop and his back arches
and no he shows no signs of distress thankfully, tail wagging as normal

Love my Cavaliers
23rd April 2010, 11:53 PM
We experienced this with Oz, my youngest, when he was about 4 months old. He looked very similar to Jaspar in that he kept trying to get up but couldn't. He was also very aware of what was going on at the time so I know it wasn't a seizure. Like Jaspar, he recovered very soon and acted like nothing had happened. He has not had an episode since that young age. Sometimes I believe they grow out of it (as Oz did), sometimes it stays with them. I took him to my neurologist since I already had a relationship with one as I have a dog with SM. He examined him - no neurological deficits and said to just watch him.

Since Jaspar is having 2-3 a week, I would definitely go to the link Margaret suggested and try to get in contact with someone who can give you better medical information about what you should be doing. Good luck.

JazzyJasper
25th April 2010, 10:29 PM
well he hasn't had an episode for the last 2 days b*n*n*

Teresa
26th April 2010, 12:50 PM
My Barney had similar last year, never before though and he's eight tomorrow!! He collapsed on several occasions when excited over food (now there's a surprise!!) I thought he fainted the first time but he was aware. He lies on the floor and twitches a bit. His episodes only lasted about thirty seconds, then he'd leap up like nothing had happened and eat his food.
The first time was very scary though, I also thought maybe he was fitting.

He doesn't roll though so maybe just similar.

He was checked out thoroughly at the vets and even stayed in to see what would happen but they found nothing wrong.

In the last year it hasn't happened as badly but ever so often he twitches a little strangely for about ten seconds then is fine again.

Weird thing eh?

JazzyJasper
26th April 2010, 07:05 PM
well i gave him a dog treat this morning and it triggered an episode :(

Love my Cavaliers
26th April 2010, 09:53 PM
Oh too bad. I would think about going to see a neurologist since Jasper has several episodes a week. There may be some medication that will slow down the process.

Karlin
28th April 2010, 10:44 AM
Hi and welcome to the board :).

While you would want to get a professional opinion on Jasper's case, I think it is important to note that having him checked by a neurologist would be pretty urgent, I think. Episodic Falling can be fatal and can be a very serious problem and giving how many episodes he is already having, I'd get him to a neurologist right away to ask whether he should be placed on one of the seizure medications that have been found to help some dogs. Some dogs have a few episodes then never again. some recur on and off, some, as with epilepsy, get gradually worse. It affects dogs very differently. When they have these seizures they need to be supervised and the seizures can grow worse over time or may get better or even stop entirely. Sadly I do know of several dogs who have had to be pts due to this condition at a young age so I cannot stress enough that this does need medical supervision if the episodes are happening this frequently. It would be very urgent to inform his breeder as well as the parents should never be bred again if they have produced EFS. Any responsible breeder will want to know they have produced a case so they can take ethical decisions about their breeding programme. :thmbsup:

Along with the EFS site, there is also detailed information here:

http://www.cavalierhealth.org/episodic_falling.htm

You are incidentally (and fortunately!) not too far I believe from the world's leading expert on the condition, Jacques Penderis, so that is who I'd go see:


Dr. Penderis, Clinical Neurology / Neurosurgery Service, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, University of Glasgow, Bearsden Road, Glasgow G61 1QH, Tel: +(44) 0141 330 5738 (office), Email: j.penderis@vet.gla.ac.uk

The EFS website is a great resource and full of advice. You can see from information there that there is a spectrum of affectedness. Very little is really known about this condition except that it only seems to occur in cavaliers. :(

On an entirely anecdotal and personal note, while I have not read that it affects a particular colour more than any other, almost every single case I have known about has been a ruby so I would wonder whether there is some genetic predisposition more common in rubies.

The very best of luck in managing this and let us know what a neurologist recommends.

JazzyJasper
20th August 2010, 06:14 PM
Hi,

Sorry I haven't been on in a while, Jaspers breeder was shocked but is adamant the illness didnt come from her dogs :bang: wonder how he got it then? :rolleyes:

Anyway, have been in regular contact with our vet (who cares for our dogs when we go away) and I am happy to say he is hardly having any attacks at the moment. he's having maybe 1... or 2 a month max :-D and they are getting shorter too, only lasting a few seconds.

So things are looking up for now :wggle: