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Bet
4th June 2010, 10:20 AM
I have started this as a New Thread, so I hope it is OK.


I have mentioned in a Previous Post , Norma Inglis' recent Chatterbox at the beginning of the week ,where she put so much emphasis on what being a Good Committee Member Meant.

What was so Conspicious by it's Absence was that Norma Inglis made absolutely no mention that being a Good Committee Member would include the Health of the Cavalier Breed.

I wonder if she has no interest in the Aspect of being a Good Committee Member surely would be the Health of our Cavalier Breed,that that should be Paramount to being a Good Committee Member.

This for me is an Eye Opener,

In the Recent List of Accredited Cavalier Breeders that I have just Printed off, there are no Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB Committee Members on it.

I would have thought that the Newly Elected CKCS Club Committee Members would be at least be Leading by being an Example by being an Accredited Breeder.

Or do they take Norma Ingls' Views are of what Being a Good Committee Member Means when she has ignored the Mention of the Health Problems in our Cavalier Breed.

I know the Cavalier Club has given a lot of Money for helping into the the Research of the Two most Serious Health Problems Afflicting the Cavalier Breed , SM and MVD ,but it is also the Cavalier Breeders who MUST play their Part in trying to Over-Come those Problems.

There are some Cavalier Breeders who are doing all they can by Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock,but until the UK CKCS CLUB makes it Mandatory for all Cavalier Breeders to Health Test their Breeding Stock, then I really do think that the CKCS CLUB is just wasting it's time.

What good is it doing?

Bet

Karlin
4th June 2010, 10:42 AM
In the Recent List of Accredited Cavalier Breeders that I have just Printed off, there are no Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB Committee Members on it.

I would have thought that the Newly Elected CKCS Club Committee Members would be at least be Leading by being an Example by being an Accredited Breeder.

I agree that it is extraordinary that at this time of deep concern for the breed, and given the Club's past emphasis on its contributions towards breed health, that health now seems to warrant no mention as a top concern for the agenda of any intelligent, informed, thoughtful 'good committee member'... icon_nwunsure

On the other hand, given the prominence of this issue in the mind of the truly health-focused breeders out there, other health-focused club members who care about the future survival of the breed (and not some members' greater concern about show trophies and their puppy-selling businesses), pet owners, the general British public, two national UK committees of enquiry into the breed health of pedigree dogs, and national legislators (with several Conservative MPs now in government having pledged to work towards regulation in dog breeding if clubs refuse to focus on health) you'd think the CKCS Club's new committee and the columnist would not ignore this elephant in the room...? On a website associated with the club?

Many out there however intend to make sure these issues remain very much in the public and legislative conscience.

UK residents may wish to write (again) to their MPs on these issues as well as the Kennel Club to draw notice to the lack of any mention of health as a priority in that particular piece of writing, even though the columnist is the spouse of a committee member, which is all a bit worrying. Carol Fowler's www.cavaliercampaign.com website has lots of info on health issues and ideas on how to campaign at local and national level.

Karlin
4th June 2010, 11:14 AM
If anyone would like the specific section of the column to send in to relevant places, PM me and I will email it to you. Or you can find and copy it here (http://www.cavaliers.co.uk/breednotes.htm).

I would think that 'supporting the majority' is exactly NOT what the breed or committee needs right now? Or what any thinking member of the club would ever wish to emphasise after that past national furore over the attitudes of the UK CKCS Club? The breed may be dead and gone if the status quo attitudes toward health (which, note, does not even deserve a mention as an issue here) pertains for another 5 years. What an own goal, this column is!

And how shameful and bizarre that in the 21st century any thoughtful person would make an offensive reference that a 'good committee member' apparently must have 'physical and mental' ability to 'fulfil tasks' -- whatever that means -- when in the item just above they pay respect to a member who passed away from motor neuron disease. :sl*p: How inconsiderate and thoughtless. :( And given that I understand there are formal complaints in to both the club and national UK bodies over this sentiment having also been expressed in the columnist's husband's candidate's statement sent before the committee election to all club members? Is this really what anyone thinks anymore? It is actually a violation of UK disability legislation to imply someone with a disability cannot 'fulfill their duty;' and to *a dog club*, for goodness sakes. Who in the past has been physically or mentally unable to fulfill their duty? :rolleyes: What in the world is such a statement doing in a candidate's statement, a column, or on a national club-associated website? (maybe some will wish to draw attention to this to the appropriate bodies if they find this offensive...). Meanwhile the same club places back on its list of judges a woman convicted of animal cruelty to cavaliers for in effect, puppy farming -- in one of the largest UK trials on such an issue. :x I guess puppy farming and cruelty is OK, but having a physical disability is looked down upon?

Interesting too, this emphasis below -- a good committee member apparently:


Can think in terms of the broad welfare of the Club rather than his or her own interests

Good grief. I think few of us ever expected to see such a thing stated so baldly, given all the scrutiny this and all the breed clubs have been under for being accused of taking *exactly* such a view of their own self-importance as clubs, rather than caretakers of dog breeds. This sums up everything that is wrong with the way clubs and breeders think and simply MUST by highlighted to the Kennel Club and UK legislators! Surely the main goal of a committee -- a NATIONAL BREED CLUB COMMIITTEE of a breed with two major health crises -- is to act for the broad welfare OF THE BREED, not themselves and their committee :sl*p:. But useful to know that this statement, instead, is deemed the agenda of the Club. Ensuring its happy clubbiness, in other words. One hopes no other committee member actually shares these self-serving sentiments.

This whole summary of what a good committee member is, is in effect a telling statement by a prominent breeder and show world member of why all breeders need to conform to the status quo, never take on an unpopular cause, never highlight issues of concern, and in effect, never act as an advocate for the dogs rather than the show and club system.

In short, in the columnist's view, a good committee member focuses only on the club and committee -- and there's not a single mention of the BREED or its general welfare.

Brian M
4th June 2010, 02:22 PM
Hi

Rather than write to our local MP Mr Frank Field (who is a Labour man but is certainly his own person ) holds a fortnightly surgery on a Friday evening just 200 yards from where I work so my plan is to go and see him face to face within the next month and present him with as much information as I can,so any help or guidance from members for my presentation to Mr Field will be gratefully received. :)

Bet
4th June 2010, 04:39 PM
If anyone would like the specific section of the column to send in to relevant places, PM me and I will email it to you. Or you can find and copy it here (http://www.cavaliers.co.uk/breednotes.htm).

I would think that 'supporting the majority' is exactly NOT what the breed or committee needs right now? Or what any thinking member of the club would ever wish to emphasise after that past national furore over the attitudes of the UK CKCS Club? The breed may be dead and gone if the status quo attitudes toward health (which, note, does not even deserve a mention as an issue here) pertains for another 5 years. What an own goal, this column is!

And how shameful and bizarre that in the 21st century any thoughtful person would make an offensive reference that a 'good committee member' apparently must have 'physical and mental' ability to 'fulfil tasks' -- whatever that means -- when in the item just above they pay respect to a member who passed away from motor neuron disease. :sl*p: How inconsiderate and thoughtless. :( And given that I understand there are formal complaints in to both the club and national UK bodies over this sentiment having also been expressed in the columnist's husband's candidate's statement sent before the committee election to all club members? Is this really what anyone thinks anymore? It is actually a violation of UK disability legislation to imply someone with a disability cannot 'fulfill their duty;' and to *a dog club*, for goodness sakes. Who in the past has been physically or mentally unable to fulfill their duty? :rolleyes: What in the world is such a statement doing in a candidate's statement, a column, or on a national club-associated website? (maybe some will wish to draw attention to this to the appropriate bodies if they find this offensive...). Meanwhile the same club places back on its list of judges a woman convicted of animal cruelty to cavaliers for in effect, puppy farming -- in one of the largest UK trials on such an issue. :x I guess puppy farming and cruelty is OK, but having a physical disability is looked down upon?

Interesting too, this emphasis below -- a good committee member apparently:



Good grief. I think few of us ever expected to see such a thing stated so baldly, given all the scrutiny this and all the breed clubs have been under for being accused of taking *exactly* such a view of their own self-importance as clubs, rather than caretakers of dog breeds. This sums up everything that is wrong with the way clubs and breeders think and simply MUST by highlighted to the Kennel Club and UK legislators! Surely the main goal of a committee -- a NATIONAL BREED CLUB COMMIITTEE of a breed with two major health crises -- is to act for the broad welfare OF THE BREED, not themselves and their committee :sl*p:. But useful to know that this statement, instead, is deemed the agenda of the Club. Ensuring its happy clubbiness, in other words. One hopes no other committee member actually shares these self-serving sentiments.

This whole summary of what a good committee member is, is in effect a telling statement by a prominent breeder and show world member of why all breeders need to conform to the status quo, never take on an unpopular cause, never highlight issues of concern, and in effect, never act as an advocate for the dogs rather than the show and club system.

In short, in the columnist's view, a good committee member focuses only on the club and committee -- and there's not a single mention of the BREED or its general welfare.

NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Because I feel so strongly about Norma Inglis' ARTICLE : WHAT MAKES A GOOD COMMITTEE MEMBER:

I have now contacted Mr Lambert who is involved with Kennel Club's Accredited Breeders Scheme,also the the Independant Advisory Council ,just to make them aware of we Cavalier Pet Owners are having to Battle Against.

Bet

HollyDolly
4th June 2010, 09:30 PM
so any help or guidance from members for my presentation to Mr Field will be gratefully received. :)

Brian, there is one committee member newly elected who refuses to scan, refuses to believe that there is a SM problem in the breed when we all know that no lines will have escaped this disease and another committee member who has similar views to those expressed above. With these two on the committee my feelings are, well unprintable.
Perhaps stating these facts to your MP might be of use.

Nanette

Karlin
4th June 2010, 09:52 PM
Brian you might PM Carol F. but I believe she is on holiday during this week.

Her www.cavaliercampaign.com website has some information you can print off. Also you might look back for some of the past coverage of the CKCS Club in national newspapers and in K9 Magazine and Dogs Today.

Margaret C
5th June 2010, 12:04 AM
As you know I was going to stand for this committee but withdrew because of manipulation of the election process.

I was not able to get to the AGM, so I am still trying to get a clear picture of what happened but I should be able to post more details over the weekend.

It would appear that members of the Cavalier Club have chosen to elect committee members that are openly complaining that too much money is being spent on health research.
Note that this money is raised specifically for health. It does not come from the general budget that pays for the big expensive Championship shows.

It is fortunate that concerned pet owners are willing to support schemes like Rupert's Fund, because it looks as if the remaining health conscious breeders on the Cavalier Club committee may find it difficult to get any health initiatives agreed.

My proposal that committee members agree to breed according to the Club's own guidelines was thrown out, and you can see why when a look through the latest two or three Breed Record Supplements will show there are committee members that are consistently breeding from underage dogs.
In one case a puppy of 9 months was mated to a 14 month bitch, & this in a breed where the code of ethics contain breeding guidelines that specify that cavaliers should be at least 2.5 years when mated.

If our breed is to have a future then it will be the ordinary pet loving public that will bring that about by putting pressure on breeders and governing bodies to consider the welfare of dogs.

With that in mind I have just put my Puppy Buyers Advice up as a blog. Please pass it on to any one you know that may be thinking of buying a cavalier puppy.

Bet
5th June 2010, 08:39 AM
As you know I was going to stand for this committee but withdrew because of manipulation of the election process.

I was not able to get to the AGM, so I am still trying to get a clear picture of what happened but I should be able to post more details over the weekend.

It would appear that members of the Cavalier Club have chosen to elect committee members that are openly complaining that too much money is being spent on health research.
Note that this money is raised specifically for health. It does not come from the general budget that pays for the big expensive Championship shows.

It is fortunate that concerned pet owners are willing to support schemes like Rupert's Fund, because it looks as if the remaining health conscious breeders on the Cavalier Club committee may find it difficult to get any health initiatives agreed.

My proposal that committee members agree to breed according to the Club's own guidelines was thrown out, and you can see why when a look through the latest two or three Breed Record Supplements will show there are committee members that are consistently breeding from underage dogs.
In one case a puppy of 9 months was mated to a 14 month bitch, & this in a breed where the code of ethics contain breeding guidelines that specify that cavaliers should be at least 2.5 years when mated.

If our breed is to have a future then it will be the ordinary pet loving public that will bring that about by putting pressure on breeders and governing bodies to consider the welfare of dogs.

With that in mind I have just put my Puppy Buyers Advice up as a blog. Please pass it on to any one you know that may be thinking of buying a cavalier puppy.


NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS COMMITTEE MEMBERS.


Could I mention that what we True Lovers of our Cavalier Breed have now discovered in the Last Few Days about the Attitude of some Cavalier Breeders concerning the Health Problems in our Cherished Breed,is maybe for the Good.

We now know where we are in the Battle about the Health Problems Afflicting Cavaliers. !!!

It is going to be down to the Cavalier Breeders who Carry out Health Tests on their Breeding Stock, and as Margaret has said in her Blog, Prospective Buyers of Cavaliers who will only buy Cavaliers from Cavalier Breeders who do those Health Checks.

I was Disgusted to read in Margaret's Post ,that there seem to be Elected Committee Members who are openly Complaining that TOO MUCH MONEY is Being Spent on Health Research.

How do those Folk think the Health Research can move forward ,unless by being given Funds.

By the way ,is it not Many Cavalier Breeders who have have caused the Health Problems for the Cavalier Breed.

We all know about the Saying , this is the Way the Cookie Crumbles ,well it sure applies after Margaret's Proposal at the AGM ,when she Proposed that COMMITTEE MEMBERS agree to Breed According to the CKCS CLUB's own Breeding Guidelines was thrown out .

I do hope the Press will have a Field Day when they get to hear about what is now taking place about concerns about the Health of Cavaliers.

Bet

Bet
6th June 2010, 12:54 PM
NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Because I feel so strongly about Norma Inglis' ARTICLE : WHAT MAKES A GOOD COMMITTEE MEMBER:

I have now contacted Mr Lambert who is involved with Kennel Club's Accredited Breeders Scheme,also the the Independant Advisory Council ,just to make them aware of we Cavalier Pet Owners are having to Battle Against.

Bet


NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Could I add further to this Thread.

At least Two of those Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS ,have made no Mention in the Recently Published UK CKCS CLUB YEAR BOOK ,2009, in their Advertisements about Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock.

I wonder why they don't do this.

Do they or don't they Health Test their Cavalier Breeding Stock?

I would think that now because they are Members of the UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE the Members of the UK CKCS CLUB have a right to now about this.

I know that some Cavalier Breeders say that when they carry out Health Tests on their Cavalier Breeding Stock ,it's for their information only, and has nothing to do with any -body else.

All I can reply to this Statement ,that it is nothing of the kind ,those days have Long Gone ,this is the 21st Century we are now living in.

Are some Cavalier Breeders ,who were recently mentioned in a Report in a Journal of Hereditary Diseases ,believe that by High-Lighting the Cavalier Health Issues ,may reduce Cavalier Puppy Sales and/or compromise their Breeding Program and thus endanger their Livelihood.

Or do some Cavalier Breeders ,live their Lives Through their Cavaliers' Wins in the Show Scene??


Finally ,if I could return to my Bee in my Bonnet about the Small size of Head many of to-days' Cavaliers now have from a number of years ago.

We had to take SUZY back to our Vets' again yesterday, she now has a Tummy Bug.

I,was sitting next to a lady who had a B/T .

I had to ask if the wee Dog was a King Charles Spaniel ,or a Cavalier!!

Remember we have had Cavaliers since 1973, I could'nt tell the difference.

I explained to her about how much Smaller the Cavalier Heads were to-day than about 25 years ago ,she said that her Mother had had 8 Cavaliers as pets ,and what I was saying was right.

That when her Mother had Cavaliers ,they had a different Sized Head when her Mother first had them.

Finally,Finally, I now really do wonder, if it is time for those Cavalier Breeders who have no interest in Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock and are trying to Thwart those Cavalier Breeders who are trying to give the the Cavalier Breed a Future,let them rule the UK CKCS BREED CLUB,but those other Cavalier Breeders have a CKCS CLUB ,where Prospective Cavalier Buyers can contact knowing that they are dealing with a Responsible Cavalier Breeder who has the interest of their Cavalier Breeding Stock who can have the chance of Producing Cavaliers who have Healthy ,Long Lives.

Bet

Margaret C
6th June 2010, 05:33 PM
This whole summary of what a good committee member is, is in effect a telling statement by a prominent breeder and show world member of why all breeders need to conform to the status quo, never take on an unpopular cause, never highlight issues of concern, and in effect, never act as an advocate for the dogs rather than the show and club system.

In short, in the columnist's view, a good committee member focuses only on the club and committee -- and there's not a single mention of the BREED or its general welfare.

As I have said I was not able to get to the AGM but this is what I have heard so far..........

One good piece of news. At long last it was agreed that the SM guidelines should be added to the Club code of ethics.
The bad news was that the proposal that the committee members should set an example and agree to breed to the health guidelines while they are in office was thrown out. Another exercise in paying lip service to a protocol that top breeders will not use.

The proposal that would have barred me from rejoining the Committee was apparently withdrawn on KC instructions. It was against human rights legislation.

The author of the lying statement that implied I had divulged committee information had received a Solicitor's letter and so read out a completely different reason for proposing the rule.

There were other proposals that were either amended or withdrawn on the instructions of the Kennel Club.

There is an interesting situation in that when I withdrew from the election contest the Cavalier Club chose to put a notice from Electoral Reform Services, the organisaation running the election, on their website which informed the Club that the rules did not make it clear that I could withdraw.
They advised that the votes sent in for me should still be counted and I should be required to resign if I secured a place.

I have good reason to believe the votes cast for me, despite my withdrawal, were enough to give me one of the committee vacancies, but I have not been able to verify that yet as it seems the Cavalier Club Secretary has not now got the voting information?

I have not been asked to resign, so presumably I could claim one of the committee places?

Bet
6th June 2010, 05:35 PM
NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Could I add further to this Thread.

At least Two of those Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS ,have made no Mention in the Recently Published UK CKCS CLUB YEAR BOOK ,2009, in their Advertisements about Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock.

I wonder why they don't do this.

Do they or don't they Health Test their Cavalier Breeding Stock?

I would think that now because they are Members of the UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE the Members of the UK CKCS CLUB have a right to now about this.

I know that some Cavalier Breeders say that when they carry out Health Tests on their Cavalier Breeding Stock ,it's for their information only, and has nothing to do with any -body else.

All I can reply to this Statement ,that it is nothing of the kind ,those days have Long Gone ,this is the 21st Century we are now living in.

Are some Cavalier Breeders ,who were recently mentioned in a Report in a Journal of Hereditary Diseases ,believe that by High-Lighting the Cavalier Health Issues ,may reduce Cavalier Puppy Sales and/or compromise their Breeding Program and thus endanger their Livelihood.

Or do some Cavalier Breeders ,live their Lives Through their Cavaliers' Wins in the Show Scene??


Finally ,if I could return to my Bee in my Bonnet about the Small size of Head many of to-days' Cavaliers now have from a number of years ago.

We had to take SUZY back to our Vets' again yesterday, she now has a Tummy Bug.

I,was sitting next to a lady who had a B/T .

I had to ask if the wee Dog was a King Charles Spaniel ,or a Cavalier!!

Remember we have had Cavaliers since 1973, I could'nt tell the difference.

I explained to her about how much Smaller the Cavalier Heads were to-day than about 25 years ago ,she said that her Mother had had 8 Cavaliers as pets ,and what I was saying was right.

That when her Mother had Cavaliers ,they had a different Sized Head when her Mother first had them.

Finally,Finally, I now really do wonder, if it is time for those Cavalier Breeders who have no interest in Health Testing their Cavalier Breeding Stock and are trying to Thwart those Cavalier Breeders who are trying to give the the Cavalier Breed a Future,let them rule the UK CKCS BREED CLUB,but those other Cavalier Breeders have a CKCS CLUB ,where Prospective Cavalier Buyers can contact knowing that they are dealing with a Responsible Cavalier Breeder who has the interest of their Cavalier Breeding Stock who can have the chance of Producing Cavaliers who have Healthy ,Long Lives.

Bet

NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Could I just mention , that for the Editor of CHATTERBOX ,who wrote last week's disgracefull Article about what Makes a Good Committee Member,I am sure there will be many Cavalier Owners shocked by what was written, especially when the Public are now so aware about the the SM and MVD Problems Afflicting our Cavalier Breed ,and she made no mention about A Good Committee Member should have this as their NO 1 Priority.

Also as I mentioned in a previous Post ,None of the Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS are

Accredited Breeders, which surely is a Matter that should be given concern to the UK CKCS CLUB, since the Kennel Club is giving so much Publicity to their Accredited Breeders Scheme.

Bet

Brian M
6th June 2010, 07:37 PM
Hello

Just to satisfy my curiosity would it be possible to advise the K C Kennel names of the newly elected members of The UK CKCS Club committee . I would have presumed that the new committee members would have set an example to all and led from the front by being members of this new world order of The Kennel Club Accredited Breeder Scheme .

It seems they have pressed the self destruction button once more and are attracting
lots of attention to themselves by their comments in the chatterbox section of a prominent Cavalier website and not forgetting the obvious lack of mention regarding breed welfare and health by this person .

Bet
7th June 2010, 09:18 AM
Hello

Just to satisfy my curiosity would it be possible to advise the K C Kennel names of the newly elected members of The UK CKCS Club committee . I would have presumed that the new committee members would have set an example to all and led from the front by being members of this new world order of The Kennel Club Accredited Breeder Scheme .

It seems they have pressed the self destruction button once more and are attracting
lots of attention to themselves by their comments in the chatterbox section on the clubs website and not forgetting the obvious lack of mention regarding breed welfare and health by this person .


NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

Yes Brian,

Since the List was put on a CAVALIER FORUM on the Internet for every-body to see ,there should be no problem in passing the names onto the Kennel Club.

Also an Interesting Mention about the Health of our Cavalier Breed which the Editor of Chatterbox did not consider worth mentioning in her Thoughtless Article about what makes a Good Committee Member.

This Article will Long be Remembered by us Cavalier Owners who have shed many tears watching our Cherished Cavaliers Suffer and Die from SM and MVD.

How-ever back to the Post from I would think would be from one of the Oldest Living Members of the CKCS CLUB,she says before Breeding a Cavalier , the Sire and Dam should be Checked by a Board-Certified Cardiologist this is to make sure neither have a Heart Murmur ,since MVD is VERY Prevalant in the Cavalier Breed.

Also Both the Sire and Dam should be MRI Scanned to see what their Status is in Regard to SM because of the Effect this Disease has had on the Cavalier Breed and Breeding Guidelines should be being followed .

Thank Goodness there are some in the Cavalier World who are concerned about the Health of Cavaliers, even although Norma Ingls, a Cavalier Breeder ,who wrote about what makes a Good Committee Member, does no seem to think that being a Good Committee Member Warrents concerns about the Health Problems in our Beloved Cavaliers.

Bet

Kate H
7th June 2010, 10:14 AM
Brian wrote:
It seems they have pressed the self destruction button once more and are attracting
lots of attention to themselves by their comments in the chatterbox section on the clubs website and not forgetting the obvious lack of mention regarding breed welfare and health by this person .

Unfortunately, Chatterbox is nothing to do with the Cavalier Club. It is not on the Club's website but on a private website run by Steve Mynott, and the writer is not on the Club committee (though her husband has just been elected onto it), so the Club has no direct infuence over what is written. Unless it is illegal or libellous, she has every right to say what she wants - as we do on this website. Her views on committee members are simply her own ideas - though I do think she should sometimes make this clearer; as a leading breeder/exhibitor some people may think she speaks on behalf of the Club.

Kate, Oliver and Aled

Bet
7th June 2010, 10:39 AM
Brian wrote:
It seems they have pressed the self destruction button once more and are attracting
lots of attention to themselves by their comments in the chatterbox section on the clubs website and not forgetting the obvious lack of mention regarding breed welfare and health by this person .

Unfortunately, Chatterbox is nothing to do with the Cavalier Club. It is not on the Club's website but on a private website run by Steve Mynott, and the writer is not on the Club committee (though her husband has just been elected onto it), so the Club has no direct infuence over what is written. Unless it is illegal or libellous, she has every right to say what she wants - as we do on this website. Her views on committee members are simply her own ideas - though I do think she should sometimes make this clearer; as a leading breeder/exhibitor some people may think she speaks on behalf of the Club.

Kate, Oliver and Aled

NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

Kate,

My biggest concern is that none of the Newly Elected CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS are Accredited Breeders.

I have contacted Mr B.Lambert about this ,he is involved with the Kennel Club's Accedited Breeders Scheme,and has also attended CKCS Regional CLUBS' recent AGM's ,I think even a UK CKCS CLUB'S AGM ,explaining the Priority the KC is giving to their Accredited Breeders Scheme .

I really would think that to be a UK CKCS CLUB Committee Member , they should be Leading by the Example by being an Accredited Breeder.

Bet

Karlin
7th June 2010, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately for anything the Club may wish to dissociate itself from (and given the publicly voiced comments from many on the new committee, I doubt that would be their desire), the website portrays itself as closely connected to the club and the main source of breed information for the UK.

Opinions are always one's own -- but given the source, and the close connection of columnist to many committee members, the echo of the phrasing of of the election documents of an actual committee member, and the publication of the column in the past as THE breed column in one of the main show magazines, it definitely reflects and will be seen to reflect a perspective that, as Margaret has confirmed, seems to place health issues at the periphery of what a club committee is supposed to be about.

It is an incredibly crass statement, insensitive to many individuals and issues, and certainly will do the new committee no favours if it is actually trying to be seen as an actively pro-health, pro-breed committee. And as an example of a hopelessly clueless breeder and club perspective, it is a retrograde piece of writing that should be passed along to relevant decision-makers as an example of why outside regulation is the only hope for pedigree dogs. It will, for example certainly not persuade Prof Bateson or many MPs or KC officials that the club is moving forward from its past crises around health and its own (mal)functioning that were so ridiculous at times that it was repeatedly highlighted in the UK national mainstream press. :rolleyes:

I know many, many people will be watching this committee at this very critical point for the breed, and hoping it will be responsible and actively pro-health,and act on the breed's behalf even if it requires taking brave stances on health issues that many breeders have demonstrated they wish would simply go away. There is certainly heightened scrutiny now on any committee, especially of this particular breed club.

Bet
7th June 2010, 03:12 PM
Unfortunately for anything the Club may wish to dissociate itself from (and given the publicly voiced comments from many on the new committee, I doubt that would be their desire), the website portrays itself as closely connected to the club and the main source of breed information for the UK.

Opinions are always one's own -- but given the source, and the close connection of columnist to many committee members, the echo of the phrasing of of the election documents of an actual committee member, and the publication of the column in the past as THE breed column in one of the main show magazines, it definitely reflects and will be seen to reflect a perspective that, as Margaret has confirmed, seems to place health issues at the periphery of what a club committee is supposed to be about.

It is an incredibly crass statement, insensitive to many individuals and issues, and certainly will do the new committee no favours if it is actually trying to be seen as an actively pro-health, pro-breed committee. And as an example of a hopelessly clueless breeder and club perspective, it is a retrograde piece of writing that should be passed along to relevant decision-makers as an example of why outside regulation is the only hope for pedigree dogs. It will, for example certainly not persuade Prof Bateson or many MPs or KC officials that the club is moving forward from its past crises around health and its own (mal)functioning that were so ridiculous at times that it was repeatedly highlighted in the UK national mainstream press. :rolleyes:

I know many, many people will be watching this committee at this very critical point for the breed, and hoping it will be responsible and actively pro-health,and act on the breed's behalf even if it requires taking brave stances on health issues that many breeders have demonstrated they wish would simply go away. There is certainly heightened scrutiny now on any committee, especially of this particular breed club.


NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Karlin ,

Thanks for your Post,I could'nt agree more with what you have Posted.

I have just read on the CC LIST which is closely associated with Norma Inglis' Chatterbox,from the Administrator, that the subject of the Recent UK CKCS CLUB AGM is now Closed.

Is this a case of ,If you can't Stand the Heat Get out of the Kitchen.

I don't think I have been out of order when I contacted Mr Bill Lambert, who is involved with the Kennel Club's Accredited Breeders Scheme, informing him about Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS not being Accredited Breeders.

Also sending the Newly Formed Independant Advisory Council a Copy what makes a Good Committee Member, mentioning in Particular that the Worries about the Cavaliers' Health Problems ,SM and MVD were Conspicious by their Absence, this from a Top Cavalier Breeder.

I mentioned that is what we Cavalier Owners are up against when trying to get notice taken by some Cavalier Breeders about the Health Problems in our Cavaliers.

It will be interesting to see what stand will be being taken by the UK CKCS CLUB and their Committee, with regards to the Cavalier Breed's Health Problems.

I have just received my DOGS TODAY Magazine, and read the comments about Margaret,both she and Carol were for sure, TWO BRAVE Ladies.

When you realize what Margaret is now involved in concerning the Health Problems of the Cavalier Breed ,has the UK CKCS CLUB really any use except to orginize Cavalier Shows.

Thank - Goodness for Karlin, Margaret and Carol,to my way of thinking the Future of the Cavalier Breed now depends on them, not the UK CKCS CLUB.

Bet

wotton12000
7th June 2010, 03:14 PM
Would just like to add that if anyone intends making an appointment to see their MP (please do) I'm more than happy to help.

You can email me at carol@cavaliercampaign.com or phone 01453 843944

I have written to all 647 newly elected MPs asking them for their support in the reform of dog breeding, and inserting the recommendations which are on my website.

Each MP will receive a personally addressed and signed letter through the post.

I could not have done this without the help of Tania Ledger who provided me with stationery, photocopying and postage. Thank you so much, Tania.

So, if you go to visit your MP he/she will already have received a letter from me and should have some awareness of the issue. A visit from one of their constituents in person will make sure that they cannot ignore, and you will be helping hugely.

I haven't heard officially which of the Cavalier Club AGM proposals have been accepted or rejected but what's leaking out doesn't look good. The Clubs look after people not dogs and the breed is not safe in their hands.

Carol

Nicki
7th June 2010, 04:27 PM
Many breeders are still saying that the Accredited Breeder Scheme is just a PR exercise by the Kennel Club - and that many of those on the scheme are just puppy farmers...

Currently the results of health tests required by the scheme do not have to be taken into account when breeding a litter :eek: - which is a ridiculous situation - and I think many breeders will not take the scheme seriously until this is changed.

At present, the only health test required by the scheme for Cavaliers is eye testing for MRD - although that is due to change later this year when the Heart testing {MVD} and SM schemes also become live.

The current understanding is that the MRI scans carried out to date at Chestergates are not going to be acceptable for the new BVA/KC SM scheme - which is going to be a huge issue for many breeders. I have heard that some have already resigned from the Accredited Breeder Scheme for this reason - they are not prepared to rescan a dog who has already been scanned {especially if it is in the last year or two}, not wishing to put the dog under a GA - also obviously there are financial implications.


I'm not making excuses for breeders, but I do feel people should be aware of the situation that many find themselves facing...



It is good news that the SM guidelines have finally been added to the club's code of ethics - but so sad that the committee are not prepared to lead by example :(.

Karlin
7th June 2010, 05:28 PM
and I think many breeders will not take the scheme seriously until this is changed.

You raise some good points, Nicki. I agree fully with your point above; this is a huge issue. Either the Accredited Breeders scheme has to mean something -- and require proof of actual testing and adherence to whatever the defined best practice is, or it becomes (as it has been in the past) a meaningless promotional tool that can be exploited by puppy farmers.

The scan issue IS a headache for breeders -- you are very right -- but I think is a tangle that needs to be taken up with Chestergates and the BVA by the new Club committee in some formal meetings. I do think however that many breeders surely should have seen these issues coming a long while back -- many breeders knowingly chose a scanning centre that has always been outside the existing organised assessment programmes for grading dogs with SM (Chestergates has never participated in the grading scheme, for example) -- but at the same time to be fair to them and their long-standing generosity, has provided great support and service to breeders at a budget price. Budget services often mean limitations are to be expected though and it surprises me that breeders would be really shocked to find the scans don't suit whatever strict scan definitions are needed for a formal scanning assessment programme like the proposed BVA scheme (and is a bit ironic if on the other hand there's a complaint that the Accredited Breeders scheme be more strict for many of the same reasons -- schemes mean little without standard requirements). Also while some are clearly honestly very upset, many of those complaining are those who have tried openly or behind scenes to discredit scanning, researchers, research projects, incidence figures -- and now they are shocked, shocked at this development which --surprise! -- gives them another drum to bang to encourage people not to participate in a scheme they went through the motions of supporting once upon a time (funny how many projects and programmes suddenly become unreasonable for these usual suspects when it comes to actually accepting results or actively participating...).

Also, the possibility of issues around Chestergate scans for a strict scanning assessment programme have been there for quite some time and should really have been pretty obvious to the previous club committee -- who were involved in discussions on the BVA scheme -- and many scanning breeders. For example, there has been a recommended minimum standard for scans that many scanning centres jointly backed way back when the BVA scheme was first mooted and initial meetings were held (and Chestergates were part of these meetings). Though Chestergates were never part of the grading scheme, many -- perhaps most -- UK breeders opted to have scans done there anyway, and then assign their own grades, which has always been a problematical situation, given that if a centre was not following a set of guidelines agreed upon by grading neurologists and actually assessing scans on some different elements as well, then it is very hard to have had consistency in interpretation. This is made difficult too by the fact that no digital scan disk is given with Chestergate scans or will be shared with other neurologists. That meant that breeders and clubs have always, in opting with Chestergates, worked outside some existing scan standards (yet so many breeders at the same time were worried about consistent interpretation and scan positioning -- obviously the issue became cost, but these are some of the reasons perhaps why scans cost more in some locations than others).

At the same time, Chestergates has enabled hundreds of breeders to get scans they might not otherwise have been able to afford; have given good basic information, and benefited breeders, clubs and dogs who might not otherwise have been diagnosed while identifying better breeding prospects.

For a grading programme to be meaningful, the BVA has to create a scanning programme that is the best possible, is consistent, and based on sharable digital scans that conform to some selected standard -- in this case, specific head positioning, time of exposure, quality of MRI machine, etc. These elements were discussed very early on -- breeders attended at least one of the initial meetings as well. If scans have been done that fall outside the standard, or a scanning centre chooses not to participate in the BVA scheme, that seems an issue the CKCS Club committee should be meeting with the BVA and Chestergates about. For many of the dogs already scanned, they will within just a couple of years be beyond breeding age anyway. For studs, if they are 6 then perhaps they can be scanned by Rupert's Fund money... the Chestergates issue really is very short term as scans are not a meaningful grade until the dogs are 2.5, and most girls will stop being bred by 5 or 6 so there's only a 'live window' for a scan of about three years. But it would be well worth the effort to have Chestergate scans be part of the scheme in future -- which again seems to be a good initial mediation issue for the UK Club committee to take on on behalf of their membership!

Finally -- as neurologists have stated and research is already showing, rescanning (or scanning) dogs at 5 or 6 is almost certainly MORE important than scanning the dogs for earlier breeding at 2.5 -- it is the status of those dogs at age 5 or 6 plus that really indicates the SM status of the breeding dog and line. Many cavaliers that scan well at 2.5 may go on to develop significant syrinxes (just as heart clear 2.5 year olds may get MVD by 5) and breeders need more to know the status of the middle aged dog to get a real picture of that dog and line. Statistician David Harwood, who many breeders have listened to as he has carefully studied pedigrees and research, believes it is more valuable to scan any breeding dog's parents than it is to scan the breeding dog if you really want useful information. And he believes scanning dogs age 6+ is absolutely critical, especially for the genome research -- where he believes the Rupert's Fund dogs have been groundbreaking for the research results. So there are really excellent reasons for rescanning the slightly older dogs. And there is a fund to help those scans happen -- researchers are actively looking for age 6+ stud dogs for example. :)

Bet
7th June 2010, 06:15 PM
NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Could I just mention , that for the Editor of CHATTERBOX ,who wrote last week's disgracefull Article about what Makes a Good Committee Member,I am sure there will be many Cavalier Owners shocked by what was written, especially when the Public are now so aware about the the SM and MVD Problems Afflicting our Cavalier Breed ,and she made no mention about A Good Committee Member should have this as their NO 1 Priority.

Also as I mentioned in a previous Post ,None of the Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS are

Accredited Breeders, which surely is a Matter that should be given concern to the UK CKCS CLUB, since the Kennel Club is giving so much Publicity to their Accredited Breeders Scheme.

Bet


NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

Is this another NAIL in the COFFIN for our Cavalier Breed and their Health Problems.

This was Posted on the CC LIST by one of the Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS..

30-3- 2010,saying about the Incidence of MVD Figures for Cavaliers,that she NEVER Believed that 50% of the Cavalier Breed will have a Heart Murmur by 5 Years of AGE.

This coming from a now Member of the UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBER,I don't think it Bodes well for the CKCS Health Problems to be being Taken Seriously .

Will nothing now be being believed that the Heath Researchers tell the UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE. ?

Was this a one off Claim made by this Newly Elected CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBER or are there others on the COMMITTEE who are in Agreement with her.?

Bet

Bet
7th June 2010, 06:42 PM
Would just like to add that if anyone intends making an appointment to see their MP (please do) I'm more than happy to help.

You can email me at carol@cavaliercampaign.com or phone 01453 843944

I have written to all 647 newly elected MPs asking them for their support in the reform of dog breeding, and inserting the recommendations which are on my website.

Each MP will receive a personally addressed and signed letter through the post.

I could not have done this without the help of Tania Ledger who provided me with stationery, photocopying and postage. Thank you so much, Tania.

So, if you go to visit your MP he/she will already have received a letter from me and should have some awareness of the issue. A visit from one of their constituents in person will make sure that they cannot ignore, and you will be helping hugely.

I haven't heard officially which of the Cavalier Club AGM proposals have been accepted or rejected but what's leaking out doesn't look good. The Clubs look after people not dogs and the breed is not safe in their hands.

Carol



CAROL , what a great job you and Tania have done, what a lot of Work you have put into doing this.

The more you read your Post, the more you begin to realize what all this has Entailed.

You never said a Truer Word ,when now it seems to Be that The CKCS BREED CLUB is not safe in Hands of Some who don't seem to be Dedicated to the Health Problems in our Cavalier Breed.,by the Reading of Past Posts that some of them have Posted. ..and the Snide Remarks made about some of the Researchers who are involved in Researching the Cavaliers' Health Troubles.

What I can't understand is ,how it is ,and this was Mentioned at the UK CKCS CLUB'S AGM last Saturday, and has appeared on the CLUB WEB SITE , that around 3,000 Cavaliers have been MRI Scanned, and the AHT Researchers Said at their last Seminar ,that they have only received about 500 MRI Scans.

Did all those missing MRI Scans have worrying Results, and some Cavalier Breeders don't wan't this to be being known about.?

If this is the case , then the EBV Information ,would I think be being Skewed.

Bet

Nicki
8th June 2010, 10:06 AM
Thank you so much for clarifying things Karlin - many will not have been aware of the histroy or that Chestergates were initially involved in meetings. People have been saying that Chestergates were not aware of what was happening with regards to the BVA scheme :confused:



I guess some felt that as the Cavalier Clubs were arranging the low cost schemes at Chestergates, it was validating these procedures over and above the minimum standard for scans that many scanning centres were following, and the grading scheme. :(

We are extremely grateful for the service that Mr Skerritt has provided, in that it has allowed many more Cavaliers to be scanned than would otherwise have been the case - and in most cases, breeding decisions have been made on the evidence of these scans rather than leaving things to chance...

I think many people liked being given the films of the scans - and also often having a mini consultation with Mr Skerritt - he also sometimes advised on breeding decisions.


Obviously these issues should have been resolved long ago and standard, consistent system of carrying out the MRIs and grading the results put in place.

Bet
8th June 2010, 11:50 AM
[QUOTE=Bet;362480]NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

Is this another NAIL in the COFFIN for our Cavalier Breed and their Health Problems.

This was Posted on the CC LIST by one of the Newly Elected UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS..

30-3- 2010,saying about the Incidence of MVD Figures for Cavaliers,that she NEVER Believed that 50% of the Cavalier Breed will have a Heart Murmur by 5 Years of AGE.

This coming from a now Member of the UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBER,I don't think it Bodes well for the CKCS Health Problems to be being Taken Seriously .

Will nothing now be being believed that the Heath Researchers tell the UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE. ?



Newly Elected UK CKCS Club Committee Members.

I have just been reading back Posts from some of the Newly Elected CKCS Club Committee, even one which had appeared in an Article in Dog World about SM ,which seemed to be giving the impression about doubting about the SM Problem in Cavaliers.

I think that now, we who are so concerned about the Health Problems in our Cavalier Breed , will just have to accept that there are some on the Committee who are taking a different View of the Health of Cavaliers than what we do.

With RUPERT'S FUND ,and Margaret's SM Cavalier Collection Scheme, us like minded Cavalier Lovers will have to give all the support we can to both those Two Worth While Causes.

Bet

Evelyn
8th June 2010, 12:05 PM
I'm sure if definate criteria have been laid down for the BVA/KC test Chestergates will be more than capable of making the changes needed.
Where ever scans have been done and however precisely I doubt they would automatically be allowed to be resubmitted and recieve the same grade ie a pass no SM present as some breeders hoped. Isn't it a bit like getting your car checked over as safe and expecting the MOT mechanic to issue the MOT certificate many months later? Any fault could develop in the intervening time, likewise with SM it is I understand progresive?
It seems more realistic to start fresh with the BVA/KC test whenever it is up and running and accept the previous scans for what they were, the best tool we had at the time.
I also am sceptical that the uptake of scans under the BVA/KC system will be popular,after all the results will be public pass or fail. Time will tell of course.

Karlin
8th June 2010, 01:41 PM
I also am sceptical that the uptake of scans under the BVA/KC system will be popular,after all the results will be public pass or fail. Time will tell of course.

Sadly I'd agree here. While as Nicki notes there are honest frustrations for some caught by surprise, I think much of the public complaining in certain quarters is more to have a nice public excuse as to why they are not involved in a project they never intended to participate in and scan for, in the first place. How that crowd love to be able to attack any research project,even when done for their benefit.

After all, look at the precedent so far for breeder-supported breeding information programmes based on breeder-submitted information *from scans which they already have and which can be used immediately*. Too few cavalier MRIs of the thousand-plus or so now done in the UK alone, many by breeders, have been submitted for the EBV scheme to Dr Sarah Blott, and she has been requesting these for over two years. The bulk of scans would be from Chestergates, and all useable information for the EBV programme.... which has not been able to be launched for cavaliers because as the researchers explained, *there aren't enough scans submitted yet to make the programme useable*. This must be deeply depressing to those breeders who have scanned, submitted, supported research, and hoped for the fruits of this project now delayed by the indifference to the health of the breed shown by too many of their fellow breeders.

There certainly have been crossed wires about who was automatically submitting information amongst the scanning centres but this site and many other people have drawn attention to this issue and the regional clubs and national committee could easily have led an effort to educate their members and get these results for Dr Blott. By contrast the clubs seem very adept at gathering members for EGMs. Perfect demonstration of how the clubs themselves and their survival and social scene, rather than the breed's welfare, seem to be at the heart of what the clubs are for. New blood is certainly needed on the committees nationally to change this depressing situation.

Evelyn
8th June 2010, 02:43 PM
I do have difficulty with the excuse we were not aware we had to submit the data to the researchers ourselves theory. It has been publicised so much and we are led to believe so any breeders are now scanning the researchers should be overwhelmed with results.
The Cavalier Clubs own MRI list and over 5's heart clear list are proof enough that the willingness isn't there YET to support health openly.There are over 400 UK scans listed on the MRI list but I feel sure there are many missing. The Over 5 heart list is poorly supported and even less when a cardiology cert was required. If as we are told so many dogs are being scanned clear and heart health is so great why oh why aren't breeders willing to put names on their own clubs list ?
Like Nikki I feel that Club committees should lead by example. Like it or not people new to showing , breeding and cavalier ownership often look to them and follow what they do .They should at the very least follow their own Club initiatives.

Evelyn
8th June 2010, 03:30 PM
Having just been on the CKCS Club site I see The new Health Report from Health Rep Maggie Ford.
Potentially I find it very encouraging ,future BVA//KC tests for hearts as well as SM and the BVA/KC eye test we had allready. Via the KC website a great means to reasearch the health results of the ancestors of our potential sire in a mating or our new puppy.
I say potentially because these tests must be used and being that the results are public I am still sceptical. That said IF we are to believe that the Cavalier Club and committee do put health as a priority this is a wonderful chance to prove it. I for one won't finger point if they get bad results occasionally ,I will admire them for taking the lead. So I will wait and see!

Bet
9th June 2010, 10:18 AM
Having just been on the CKCS Club site I see The new Health Report from Health Rep Maggie Ford.
Potentially I find it very encouraging ,future BVA//KC tests for hearts as well as SM and the BVA/KC eye test we had allready. Via the KC website a great means to reasearch the health results of the ancestors of our potential sire in a mating or our new puppy.
I say potentially because these tests must be used and being that the results are public I am still sceptical. That said IF we are to believe that the Cavalier Club and committee do put health as a priority this is a wonderful chance to prove it. I for one won't finger point if they get bad results occasionally ,I will admire them for taking the lead. So I will wait and see!


Newly Elected UK CKCS Club Committee Members


I have just read on the UK CKCS CLUB WEB SITE, the mention which was given by Evelyn in her Post, what struck me what was written, was that the" Identifying the GENES for CM/SM is all down to Dr .C. Rusbridge and the Team of Genetic Researchers she is working with with in Canada"

I feel that at last ,it is being realized by the CKCS CLUB how important Dr Rusbridge's Research is,and that the Finding of those Genes is the only answer to the CM/SM Problem in our Cavalier Breed.

Karlin mentioned in a Recent Post ,that One Gene had been near enough found, I think that that this so Important and should Never be being Forgotten about ,and be giving such Hope for the Future for the Cavalier Breed.

Bet

Margaret C
9th June 2010, 04:03 PM
Newly Elected UK CKCS Club Committee Members


I have just read on the UK CKCS CLUB WEB SITE, the mention which was given by Evelyn in her Post, what struck me what was written, was that the" Identifying the GENES for CM/SM is all down to Dr .C. Rusbridge and the Team of Genetic Researchers she is working with with in Canada"

I feel that at last ,it is being realized by the CKCS CLUB how important Dr Rusbridge's Research is,and that the Finding of those Genes is the only answer to the CM/SM Problem in our Cavalier Breed.


Bet

It is really good to see Dr Rusbridge's all important contribution to the health of cavaliers being acknowledged by the Cavalier Club.

Clare Rusbridge and Penny Knowler are two remarkable women who have been researching syringomyelia for thirteen years or more. They have spent so much of their own time, without payment or reward, and with very little thanks from the majority of cavalier breeders.

If this breed does have a future it is because this amazing Mother & Daughter team, despite lies, insults, and deliberate sabotage of their efforts, have fought to give them one.

People that love cavaliers have so much to thank them for.

Karlin
9th June 2010, 04:21 PM
They are an incredible and determined pair. In the UK it is very difficult to gain funds for the type of research they are doing and much of what has been accomplished has been done with personal contributions and fundraising from people who love cavaliers, with a great part of contributions raised by pet owners. A corp of breeders as well has aided these efforts over the years. And many breeders gave DNA and scan records.

Unfortunately many breeders wouldn't also support the genome work with heart records despite many requests for cardiologist records on the dogs whose DNA went to the genome work -- and this means that tragically a huge opportunity was lost to determine the genetic portrait for MVD and work towards a genetic test. With the SM work reaching conclusion, how unfortunate for this breed and cavalier owners and breeders that the breed's major killer, MVD, was not part of this groundbreaking work. :(

Bet
9th June 2010, 06:17 PM
They are an incredible and determined pair. In the UK it is very difficult to gain funds for the type of research they are doing and much of what has been accomplished has been done with personal contributions and fundraising from people who love cavaliers, with a great part of contributions raised by pet owners. A corp of breeders as well has aided these efforts over the years. And many breeders gave DNA and scan records.

Unfortunately many breeders wouldn't also support the genome work with heart records despite many requests for cardiologist records on the dogs whose DNA went to the genome work -- and this means that tragically a huge opportunity was lost to determine the genetic portrait for MVD and work towards a genetic test. With the SM work reaching conclusion, how unfortunate for this breed and cavalier owners and breeders that the breed's major killer, MVD, was not part of this groundbreaking work. :(

NEWLY ELECTED UK CKCS CLUB COMMITTEE MEMBERS

I also put this Post on Dogz online Forums, an Australian Forum with the Link.

It is causing a good bit of Interest.

I don't think the Drum has been Banged enough for Dr C Rusbridge and Penny Knowler about what they have Achieved with the Cavaliers' SM Problem.

When we think back , to how it all began, Dr C Rusbridge, had noticed a few Cavaliers with an Unexplained Problem, one I never forgot about ,was ROSIE ,who belonged to Mrs.J. Ireland .

Mrs, Ireland wrote about ROSIE in a CKCS CLUB Magazine about 10-12 years ago.

Poor wee Rosie had whimpered all through the Night , before she went on her Last Journey to the Vet's to be Put To Sleep

The Cavalier Numbers began to increase with this same Problem,and Dr .Rusbridge realized that indeed the Cavaliers were suffering from a Serious Disease that needed to be Investigated.

With all that is known about Science to-day, the only way to save our Cavalier Breed ,is to find the Genes involved with the SM/CM Problem, and as Karlin has said ,there now seems to Light at the End of The Tunnel about this.

I really do think that us True Lovers of our Precious Cavaliers, can just let the Cavalier Breeders who can't see the the Wood for the Trees ,Rant and Rave about this Important Research, and we should realize that they should just be
Ignored.

The Research is now too Important for us to be Taking any Notice of Them.

Bet