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Karlin
9th July 2010, 02:29 PM
I am looking into the possibility of hosting a group day for getting cavaliers auscultated (listened to by a cardiologist for heart murmurs).

This would be held in Dublin -- maybe at the cardiologist's clinic or maybe on a weekend day at Dog Training Ireland, if they are willing (we could also do a cavalier fun day as part of the event perhaps!).

I am not sure what kind of cost would be there -- I don't think nearly as low as the subsidised days clubs can negotiate in North America or the UK for example, but it would likely be lower than this would otherwise cost.

As many know, heart disease is endemic in the breed and vets miss over half of early-grade murmurs so often murmurs are only diagnosed when they are quite high. Seeing a cardiologist is best practice for our cavalier's health and I would think the cardiologist might be willing to give us a talk about good heart care.

If people are interested could they reply here with the number of dogs they might bring? I will be taking Leo and Lucy in myself to Ireland's sole cardiologist Monday as they both now have high grade murmurs :( and will talk to him then about this possibility.

I would think we'd need at least 20 dogs or so to make this work. Of those, I'd already have three I'd have done (as two will have been done on Monday). So I can start the count with three!

Zoe bowie
9th July 2010, 02:34 PM
Brilliant idea Karlin, it would be great to have a cavalier fun day too...I would probably have my 2 listened to :-)

Louise1823
9th July 2010, 08:15 PM
I would definitely be interested in bringing Chloe and Millie to this if it goes ahead. Rex has already been seen by the cardiologist in Rathfarnham so Im not sure if he would benefit in being screened again - but maybe it would be no harm. Count us in!

susandavis1
10th July 2010, 12:07 AM
I would definitely be interested in this Karlin, it's such a brillant idea. The vet already diagnosed Darcy with a heart murmur but I have asked 4 seperate vets to refer me to a cardiologist and each one refused telling me it was not necessary as her murmur is quite low (grade 1 to 2 at most). I also contacted UCD but they would only see me with a referral. Please count us in, it would really be a huge weight off my shoulders to know she was getting sound professional advice.

Karlin
10th July 2010, 02:25 PM
Great -- I spoke briefly to him and we are going to discuss more on Monday. It is frustrating that vets view a specialist as a last-ditch support so often -- really, getting an xray at the start for example, so you have a baseline to measure progression and shape treatment, is the norm in so many countries. Also I think it is really helpful to get an accurate auscultation for the grade. What seems a fast onset murmur might actually have been a slow onset murmur that was missed in early stages.

sins
10th July 2010, 02:37 PM
It might be interesting to take Daisy up.She'll be four in January.
Sins

Charlifarley
10th July 2010, 05:10 PM
You can count ny two in as well Karlin. Trapper has a grade 2 murmur diagnosed in UCD when both were being checked out for SM but he has never seen a cardiologist.
Have you a date in mind?

Desrae
10th July 2010, 08:15 PM
YES... I would be very interested!

Karlin
12th July 2010, 12:20 PM
This is a great response and I am definitely going to set up an auscultation day. This would likely work out at about €30 per dog plus VAT -- maybe a little less -- I am sure many would find that price attractive! Mr Mullany said he would be happy to do a little talk on heart health issues in cavaliers and what to watch for and when to treat.

Interestingly he does not feel dogs should be on medication simply for a murmur, even a higher grade murmur. He prefers to see certain clinical shifts towards congestive heart failure before medicating.

Maybe we will do this for early September? I am conscious of trying to find a time when people are not on holidays and so forth.

As long as we have at least 10 we will go ahead and I'd love to see more.

Do people feel OK with the first half of September? If so I will approach him about whether there's a good weekend date for him. Or we could do an evening I'd suspect. He is in Rathfarnham and we might go there or we could go to DTI if that was OK with them.

On the good news side -- though Lucy and Leo both now have murmurs -- he heard a murmur in two chambers on each, a 3 and a 4 on Lucy, and a 2 and a 3 on Leo -- they were otherwise in very good form. To give some context of why it is so helpful to go to a specialist -- his grade was a gull grade lower than what vets in Ireland and the Uk had said for each. Leo's murmur is quite local which was good. Both had a strong pulse, good circulation, good liver, and were in no need of meds at this stage. It was very interesting to get the detail he was able to supply on each separate murmur and I feel much more informed and confident about what I am dealing with at this point.

I'd like to set this up as an annual event or if there's demand we could do it twice yearly.

rosiesmum
12th July 2010, 01:54 PM
If you can get a weekend date, count me in - a week night would be tricky for me unless it starts a bit later.

susandavis1
12th July 2010, 02:27 PM
Oh wow, that price is so reasonable, I was truly expecting the cost to be well over 100 considerng the cost of seeing a consultant in Ireland. Spetember is good for me, evening or weekends. I will quite happily take time of work so that I can take this oppurtunity for Darcy. Many thanks Karlin.

Karlin
12th July 2010, 03:08 PM
I expected it to be double that price or more but he basically charged me the same cost as a basic vet consult. I will get all the rest of mine done now when we have this heart day. :)

Zoe bowie
12th July 2010, 03:19 PM
OMG Karlin that price is AMAZING, you can definitely count my 2 in, a weekend in September would be best for me with work etc.

This is a fantastic idea, can I put this up on my facebook for non Cavalier Talk people but who have Cavaliers? I have a couple of friends who would be interested?

Karlin
12th July 2010, 06:44 PM
I definitely will plan to have this available to anyone with a cavalier but maybe better to wait til we have a date sorted but it is fine to post and see if there's interest. I can't confirm a cost yet, but am noting that this is around what I was charged for having my own done. If there's a limit to how many the cardiologist will auscultate, he can let me know and then, we can have an advanced sign-up (which I would do anyway and perhaps do an advanced payment for the day). If lots are interested we will schedule a second day.

I can do a day anytime so if people are interested in doing something over the summer let me know. I would think maybe we'd do a Sunday afternoon or a Saturday afternoon...

Louise1823
12th July 2010, 07:59 PM
Thats a fantastic price! I'll be there for definite with Millie and Chloe. Any time in September should be fine with us also.

I felt a great relief after I had Rex with the cardiologist. I was worried sick and a total nervous wreck after my vet had initially confirmed his heart problem and couldn't relax any time I had him out for walks or saw him excited, but after the more in depth tests were carried out by Mr Mullany I felt way more at ease and optimistic about the his condition.

Money WELL spent in my opinion!!:thmbsup::thmbsup:

Mimi
12th July 2010, 09:32 PM
I'd like to come with my 3 but would need plenty of notice , especially for weekend as I would need to make sure to keep my work diary clear and I book weeks in advance .
Mimi

mishy
12th July 2010, 10:00 PM
Karlin I would love to bring Bubbles along. As you know the vet put her murmur at 4.5 and she is on Vetmedin and Prilactone but it would be great to get a further expert opinion. I'm sure everyone will greatly appreciate an opportunity like this. Great idea!

Karlin
13th July 2010, 01:03 AM
I will go back to him and see what might work for a date then we could begin to plan for it.

Charlifarley
13th July 2010, 05:46 AM
That's a very reasonable price you were quoted. I was expecting it to be more too! September would be a good month for me, weekday or weekend is great as I live in Rathfarnham so it will be very handy. Thanks for arranging this Karlin and I' m glad your own appointment went ok.

Bet
13th July 2010, 10:26 AM
That's a very reasonable price you were quoted. I was expecting it to be more too! September would be a good month for me, weekday or weekend is great as I live in Rathfarnham so it will be very handy. Thanks for arranging this Karlin and I' m glad your own appointment went ok.


Karlin,

What a great idea this from you.

To be under the Umbrella of an Expert, will be such a Benefit for the Cavaliers.

Also that things went well for your 4 legged Friends

Bet

Thelly
13th July 2010, 02:24 PM
I'd like to count my 3 in...

Karlin
13th July 2010, 02:36 PM
Tara has said we could use the DTI facility for this and is coming back to me with possible dates so I can then go back to Mr Mullany and hopefully we will shortly have something organised! Stay tuned!

Zoe bowie
13th July 2010, 05:23 PM
Fantastic Karlin, I have 4 possibly 5 more Cavalier owners who would love to come along too!

Desrae
13th July 2010, 08:21 PM
The first half of September sounds good to me. Thanks!

george108
14th July 2010, 09:28 AM
Interestingly he does not feel dogs should be on medication simply for a murmur, even a higher grade murmur. He prefers to see certain clinical shifts towards congestive heart failure before medicating.


My vet told me the exact same thing about George. George has a grade 4 murmur but thankfully is showing no signs. A different vet in the practice recommended he go on meds but my own vet said he didn't think there was any need. He said if there was any change that he would refer us to a cardiologist to get it checked further. Chrissie was checked (by the vet only) a few days ago and was fine. I'd be very interested in this for George and Chrissie. Thanks a miilion!

Shivers
15th July 2010, 12:13 AM
I would love to get Rosie checked out. Early Sept suits us perfectly.

Any chance you can arrange 30 MRI's?? :D I would love to get Belle MRI'd

brid kenny
15th July 2010, 12:27 PM
Count Phoebe and Pippa in!

Karlin
17th July 2010, 12:13 AM
We are thinking of Sunday Sept 5th in the afternoon -- out at Dog Training Ireland in the upstairs classroom which would be perfect.

I think we will be soon scheduling a second day as there's a lot of interest from many pet owners of other breeds too and some indication that some breed clubs for other breeds might have an interest. So I think this will start a regular event. :) I have to check with the cardio now and will post when I know if this suits him. Then we will take bookings.

Louise1823
16th August 2010, 10:00 AM
Hi, just wondering if there is any update on this? Is the date for September still expected to go ahead?
Millie had a vet check up just last week and touch wood all sounded well with her heart, but it will be great to get her checked out at a more detailed level now that she is heading for 5 next month..
I hope I havent missed a seperate thread where you have to register - sorry if I have!

Duffer
16th August 2010, 12:14 PM
Hi karlin,
can i put my 2 down for this also?
this is brilliant, well done for getting this organised.:thmbsup:
let me know

emmastewartliberty
25th August 2010, 03:21 PM
Hi
Just wondering if there are still plans for a cardiologist day for murmur testing? If there is and there is still room, I'd love to put my name down for Tilly my new rescue . Anyday except Thursday would suit me, don't know how if this suits?. Hope it can go ahead.
Thanks
Emma

Karlin
25th August 2010, 04:33 PM
Have not had time to confirm or set up yet but will arrange something probably not this soon.

GoodDoggie
13th September 2010, 08:00 PM
Have any details been made yet?

Karlin
13th September 2010, 11:30 PM
I was just discussing dates with Tara on Friday. :D Thinking of the 17th of Oct or maybe 31st or else first week in November -- if Mr Mullaly can do a Sunday. Otherwise will sort for a weeknight early in the week but a Sunday or else possibly a Saturday suits Dog Training Ireland better.

Anyone have a strong preference?

Then I will probably take bookings by PayPal payment -- I just want to make sure people are actually going to be there! :)

emmastewartliberty
14th September 2010, 12:16 AM
The 17th would really suit me -and Tilly- as I have visitors coming the weekend of 31st. But if that date suits others better, I will try and change- I was one of the last to ask to be included,after all! I have never used paypal, so if some instructions could be included I'd be really grateful. Thank you so much for organising this.

emmastewartliberty
6th October 2010, 10:40 AM
Hi. I was just wondering if the plans for a test day are still on- I am afraid I maybe missed a post. Now that I've been told Tilly has a "marked irregularity", and have been getting lots of info, I am particularly keen to get her properly tested. Thanks
Emma

Charlifarley
6th October 2010, 01:11 PM
Just to be awkward, I can't do the 17th but can do the 31st, (have visitors too:o). I'll go with the flow - whatever suits the majority, and if I can make it we'll be there.

Desrae
6th October 2010, 03:27 PM
Ah! I was wondering about this... I would be ok for either dates.

susandavis1
6th October 2010, 03:44 PM
I'm also ok for any date

Nicki and Elvis
12th October 2010, 07:09 PM
If this is still going ahead I would love Elvis to be done if there is space!!

GoodDoggie
2nd November 2010, 12:42 PM
forgot about this,did I miss it :confused:

Karlin
2nd November 2010, 11:36 PM
No: I have just not had time to set it up -- have been away for work several times and am utterly swamped with rescue dogs at the moment... :eek: I will try to set up a date but have to coordinate between 3-4 people so it is time consuming. I just need a window in which to make the calls and get the venue and a time, work out advance payment etc so that we don;t end up with very few showing on the day itself. :thmbsup: