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11th July 2010, 06:43 PM
I had put put this Post on another Thread ,but I feel so strongly about it ,I have started this new Thread.

I was shocked to read about what had happened at the East of England Championship Show yesterday , this is from another Cavalier Forum ,the exact words are.

The Heat at the East of England Show yesterday was Unbearable.

The Post said that He or She was Disgusted to see so many Cavalier Exibitors Standing around the Ring with their Cavaliers in CAGES with the SUN beating down Relentlessly when there was Benching inside Buildings which were very cool . A further Comment was that those Folk do not Deserve to Own Dogs ,let alone Show them.

There were a Number of Warnings ,yet those Folk still Stood there while their Cavaliers slowly Cooked inside their Cages.

This Post finished by saying

SHAME ON YOU!!!

Now to my thoughts about this Shameful Treatment of those Cavaliers.

I wonder if the Cavaliers did not have a Heart Problem yesterday ,will they now have one to-day as a Result of this Shameful Treatment that they had to Endure from those Irresponsible Cavalier Glory Seekers having no thought for their Cavaliers ,only for themselves wanting to win a Piece of Card Board

We now know who can call them-selves True Lovers of Cavaliers , it is us who would never have Subjected our Cherished Cavaliers to have caused them any Suffering in that Heat.

It is not only those Cavaliers who were stuck in Cages out-side in the Heat , but also the Cavaliers who were being Shown who would be Standing around as well Suffering from the Heat .

What are those Cavalier Owners Priorities ,to consider the Welfare of their Cavaliers, or for their own Egos ,to win Pieces of Card-Board at Shows.

Has the time now come for the Well -Being of Cavaliers , and other Dogs at Shows,if the Temperature reaches a certain level out-side, then they have to be Shown in an Air Conditioned Building.

If this can't be done then the Show has to be Cancelled.

I do hope the RSPCA will some-thing about what happened yesterday.

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*Pauline*
11th July 2010, 06:58 PM
Last week we went to the Robin Hood show in Southend where they have plants and food for sale plus dog agility, in that heat! :eek: I wasn't sure I should have taken Poppy (out of the question taking Dylan on a hot day) just to walk around but I knew we were not going for long and there was a breeze that day and plenty of shade.

Tania
11th July 2010, 08:46 PM
Molly and Dougall are supposed to be performing some basic obedience stuff at
a fun show next Sunday. I have agreed to go on the condition the weather is not hot and they are feeling ok!

Yesterday was so hot, dogs should not have been outdoors at all! Shame on people who subjected these poor dogs to this hot weather or maybe these people are just plain stupid!

sins
11th July 2010, 09:25 PM
When it comes to exhibiting in extreme weather,it's always a difficult decision to travel,whether it's winter snow and treacherous roads or searing summer heat.Happily the vast majority of shows in the British Isles pass off in moderate condtions.
I can appreciate the anger felt by the exhibitor who raised the issue about the dogs who were crated by the ringside,especially if the organisers provided suitable cool shelter for the dogs.
It's perfectly valid to raise and debate the issue,but if a dog was being subjected to a significant risk of injury or death caused by high temperatures,commonsense should dictate that you'd diplomatically approach the people in charge of the dogs and either offer to help move them or suggest that they be moved to a cooler location.
Nipping a problem in the bud is always preferable to allowing an issue to escalate.
If I were a puppyboiler I'd prefer to have this pointed out to me on the spot and get over it ...rather than discover I was a puppyboiler several days later,having read it on a forum?
Sins

sins
11th July 2010, 10:31 PM
Ok, Just to put people's minds at rest......
The original poster has clarified that he did not say that there were dogs in distress.
Many others who were there have verified that no cavalier was ill treated or had to endure suffering from heat stress.
Sins

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12th July 2010, 09:46 AM
Ok, Just to put people's minds at rest......
The original poster has clarified that he did not say that there were dogs in distress.
Many others who were there have verified that no cavalier was ill treated or had to endure suffering from heat stress.
Sins


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

What has been reported about the East of England Championship Show is the UGLY SIDE of Cavalier Showing.

Having Cavaliers subjected to be in Cages or standing around in about 90 degrees waiting to be Shown,but as has been said , those Cavaliers did'nt show any signs of Distress.

All I can say ,and Pigs Might Fly.!!!

Any body in their right minds would know for Cavaliers to out in Heat like this, would not be beneficial to Them.

I am talking from experience, we were at a Show at Kelso in Scotland, where it was warm ,and the Wet Weather Tent was used to take the Stress from the Cavaliers.

I will say again , any-body who has Love for their Cavaliers , and for sure it does not seem to be many Cavalier Owners who attend Shows in such Hot Conditions as Saturday,have any thought for their Cavaliers.

I am not getting into a Slanging Personal Match about this, I have always felt strongly about Cavaliers being Shown in very Hot Weather , so this is nothing new for me to be expressing my Disgust about the Cavalier Owners going to Shows in extreme Hot Weather.

The Cavaliers had no Choice , but the Cavalier Owners who are on Ego Trips, for once could have stayed at Home.

There was plenty of warnings being given about how Hot it had to be.

There should never have been any Cavaliers taken to the East of England Show on Saturday.

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12th July 2010, 11:08 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

What has been reported about the East of England Championship Show is the UGLY SIDE of Cavalier Showing.

Having Cavaliers subjected to be in Cages or standing around in about 90 degrees waiting to be Shown,but as has been said , those Cavaliers did'nt show any signs of Distress.

All I can say ,and Pigs Might Fly.!!!

Any body in their right minds would know for Cavaliers to out in Heat like this, would not be beneficial to Them.

I am talking from experience, we were at a Show at Kelso in Scotland, where it was warm ,and the Wet Weather Tent was used to take the Stress from the Cavaliers.

I will say again , any-body who has Love for their Cavaliers , and for sure it does not seem to be many Cavalier Owners who attend Shows in such Hot Conditions as Saturday,have any thought for their Cavaliers.

I am not getting into a Slanging Personal Match about this, I have always felt strongly about Cavaliers being Shown in very Hot Weather , so this is nothing new for me to be expressing my Disgust about the Cavalier Owners going to Shows in extreme Hot Weather.

The Cavaliers had no Choice , but the Cavalier Owners who are on Ego Trips, for once could have stayed at Home.

There was plenty of warnings being given about how Hot it had to be.

There should never have been any Cavaliers taken to the East of England Show on Saturday.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE


As a Thought about the Distressing Happenings at the East of England Championship Show on Saturday ,when the Heat was around 90 Degrees and Cavaliers were being kept in Cages,is the simplest answer ,at any out-side Show ,when there is such a High Temperature ,a Member of the Show Committee goes to the Cavalier Ring, and if there are any Cavaliers in Cages, then the Cavalier Owners are Told to get the Cavaliers into the Cooler Conditions provided by the Show Committee.

Hope-fully though ,those Cavalier Owners who profess to Love their Cavaliers, and are concerned about their Cavaliers Wefare, just won't Subject their Cavaliers to Temperatures of 90 degrees ,how-ever much those Cavalier Owners want to Win their Piece of Card Board.

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Sabby
12th July 2010, 11:10 AM
We went to a Rally Obedience Competition yesterday. We had to travel for about 2 Ĺ hours and when we left in the morning it was cloudy and cool. I did look at the weather online for the place we were going to and it said that it would stay cloudy and breezy all day. I must say if I would have known that it would get so hot I would not have gone. I am glad I left Ebony at my friendís because of her heart murmur. I must say everybody at the trial was well prepared. A lot of dogs were wearing a cool coat and the dogs only came out of the shade for a few minutes when competing. The competitors bought their own shade in form of gazebos, tents, umbrellas and so on. I didnít see any dog that was over heating. We gave Rosie & Harley a shower there and they loved it. Mind you our dogs didnít have to look pretty.

Kate H
12th July 2010, 11:25 AM
Before accusing show people generally of being irresponsible, I would want to know how many Cavaliers entered were actually absent - in other words, how many responsible owners decided not to travel with their dogs (which means quite a financial loss with Ch show entries around £23 a class). This should be noted on the judge's report for each class, online and in the dog press - it will be interesting to see whether the absentee rate was higher than usual. It's not just a matter of keeping dogs cool at the show; air conditioning helps in a car while you're travelling, but what if there's an accident and you are stuck in slow-moving or immobile traffic for several hours? I know some show people who are simply not travelling any distance with their dogs.

I've seen plenty of pet owners in the last few weeks dragging their poor dogs around town in the middle of the day, and I doubt if many of them think to carry water with them. Yesterday was a bit cooler than Saturday in the Midlands, so Oliver, Aled and I joined some others on the Pets as Therapy stand at the Dogs Trust Open Day - one of our best events for interesting new, much-needed volunteers; we worked very hard to keep our dogs comfortable, keeping them under the gazebo or in shade, giving them plenty of water, rotating which ones were 'on duty' at the front of the stand, and doing very little walking with them, and they all seemed to manage OK. But agility in that heat?!! Enough to give any breed a heart problem!

Kate, Oliver and Aled

Sabby
12th July 2010, 11:29 AM
Who was doing agility in this heat?

Karlin
12th July 2010, 11:45 AM
I am surprised there wasn't some sort of covered area outside provided, or that anyone deciding to remain outside with dogs out in cages -- especially a short-nosed breed that can have problems breathing in high heat, and where heat is recognised to aggravate SM and MVD in the breed -- wouldn't have shade coverings for the crates, crate fans, etc.

I think only a vet would have been able to determine whether dogs were distressed -- having seen dogs play in the sun and end up with heat stroke -- as like kids they are not particularly able to make good decisions for themselves and of course, could make none at all if they were confined to a crate. (Are there no vet inspectors present at large dog shows?) If announcements were repeatedly made to please bring dogs inside to more appropriate and comfortable surroundings, then that suggests organisers did indeed have concerns about the welfare of dogs left in direct sun (which would be common sense for any dog owner) and indicates there were some people simply ignoring a pretty obvious welfare precaution. You;d hardly have left young children sitting in full sunlight wearing the equivalent of heavy winter coats.

But why did no one actually force people to move to a safer area for the dogs? Tannoy announcements were clearly ignored. Surely show monitors could have gone up and required people not do something as stupid as leave their dogs to roast in cages in direct sun? :sl*p:

sins
12th July 2010, 11:49 AM
I would completely agree Kate.
Of course there's an increased risk to dogs when the temperatures are so high,but what matters is how you manage the risk.
Any photos that I've seen clearly show dogs in crates covered against direct sunlight and/or under parasols.Even the ring appears to have been under a covered pavilion.
No photos proving anything to the contrary have emerged into the public domain,so we must bear in mind that in the absence of conclusive proof,noone can say for certainty that any animal's welfare was compromised.
Unless of course they were there and saw it first hand....
I was at that time watching rivers of driving rain sweep across my tarmac...:confused:
Sins

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12th July 2010, 11:49 AM
Before accusing show people generally of being irresponsible, I would want to know how many Cavaliers entered were actually absent - in other words, how many responsible owners decided not to travel with their dogs (which means quite a financial loss with Ch show entries around £23 a class). This should be noted on the judge's report for each class, online and in the dog press - it will be interesting to see whether the absentee rate was higher than usual. It's not just a matter of keeping dogs cool at the show; air conditioning helps in a car while you're travelling, but what if there's an accident and you are stuck in slow-moving or immobile traffic for several hours? I know some show people who are simply not travelling any distance with their dogs.

I've seen plenty of pet owners in the last few weeks dragging their poor dogs around town in the middle of the day, and I doubt if many of them think to carry water with them. Yesterday was a bit cooler than Saturday in the Midlands, so Oliver, Aled and I joined some others on the Pets as Therapy stand at the Dogs Trust Open Day - one of our best events for interesting new, much-needed volunteers; we worked very hard to keep our dogs comfortable, keeping them under the gazebo or in shade, giving them plenty of water, rotating which ones were 'on duty' at the front of the stand, and doing very little walking with them, and they all seemed to manage OK. But agility in that heat?!! Enough to give any breed a heart problem!

Kate, Oliver and Aled

The Cavalier Show Scene


When we went to Shows ,it's maybe different now-days, we had to send our Entrance Fee before the Show took place.

In the 30 or so years that we had our Pet Cavaliers, when it was very warm , and we do have it warm some-times in Scotland,it was a case of them doing their Toilet and then back into the House.

We never would subject them to 90 degrees .

I feel that there has been mention about being a Responsible Cavalier or Breeder, well I for sure know now who comes into this catogary, not the Cavalier Owners or Breeders who put their Cavaliers in Cages, in the direct Sun of 90 degrees

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renate
12th July 2010, 11:53 AM
i think show people and dogs-sports peaople are a lot alike. some of them, at least.
if you see your dog mainly as a tool to obtain results, acceptance, and so on, you'll subject him to things like this.

we were supposed to be at a competition 2 weeks ago. it was very hot the day before before the weather forecast said 98degrees fahrenheit. so i cancelled. there was quite some grumbling about this!! from other dog-people!

i found that strange.

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12th July 2010, 02:43 PM
i think show people and dogs-sports peaople are a lot alike. some of them, at least.
if you see your dog mainly as a tool to obtain results, acceptance, and so on, you'll subject him to things like this.

we were supposed to be at a competition 2 weeks ago. it was very hot the day before before the weather forecast said 98degrees fahrenheit. so i cancelled. there was quite some grumbling about this!! from other dog-people!

i found that strange.

The Cavalier SHOW SCENE.

Been onto the Kennel Club about the Heat on Saturday and Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

I don't think ,if the Heat is ever as Hot as it was on Saturday at the East of England, this will ever be allowed to happen again for Cavaliers.

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13th July 2010, 06:32 PM
The Cavalier SHOW SCENE.

Been onto the Kennel Club about the Heat on Saturday and Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

I don't think ,if the Heat is ever as Hot as it was on Saturday at the East of England, this will ever be allowed to happen again for Cavaliers.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

A warning has just appeared on the UK CKCS CLUB Web Site, from the Kennel Club,I think it is Relevant as to what happened at the East Of England Championship Show on Saturday ,when the Temperature was in the 90's, and some Cavaliers were stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

I know that the Kennel Club made mention about the Dangers of Dogs in Cars in Hot Weather, but they also mentioned about about Competors or Exhibitors not co-operating with Specific Requests made by the Show Orginizers.

I take this could apply to the Cavalier Exhibitors who were asked by the Show Committee because of the Extreme Heat, to put their Dogs in the Cool Building provided by the Show Committee ,.

This seemed to have been ignored by those Cavalier Exhibitors who had their Cavaliers in Cages ,in the 90 Degree Temperature.

The Kennel Club now say ,that under the Kennel Club Rule A42,if a warning is ignored , in the Hot Weather ,then the Exhibitor can be fined £300.

The Kennel Club finishes their Article by saying.

That it is a Pity that it is Necessary to Issue such a Threat ,but the Kennel Club will maintain ZERO TOLERANCE over such Breaches of the Regulations ,and Action will be taken as necesssary .

Those who choose to Ignore this have been Warned.

For the UK CKCS CLUB to have put this on their Web Site, must be taking this matter seriously as well.

Hope-fully no Cavalier will ever again have to be stuck in a Cage in Hot Weather.

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14th July 2010, 05:06 PM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

A warning has just appeared on the UK CKCS CLUB Web Site, from the Kennel Club,I think it is Relevant as to what happened at the East Of England Championship Show on Saturday ,when the Temperature was in the 90's, and some Cavaliers were stuck in Cages in the Blistering Heat.

I know that the Kennel Club made mention about the Dangers of Dogs in Cars in Hot Weather, but they also mentioned about about Competors or Exhibitors not co-operating with Specific Requests made by the Show Orginizers.

I take this could apply to the Cavalier Exhibitors who were asked by the Show Committee because of the Extreme Heat, to put their Dogs in the Cool Building provided by the Show Committee ,.

This seemed to have been ignored by those Cavalier Exhibitors who had their Cavaliers in Cages ,in the 90 Degree Temperature.

The Kennel Club now say ,that under the Kennel Club Rule A42,if a warning is ignored , in the Hot Weather ,then the Exhibitor can be fined £300.

The Kennel Club finishes their Article by saying.

That it is a Pity that it is Necessary to Issue such a Threat ,but the Kennel Club will maintain ZERO TOLERANCE over such Breaches of the Regulations ,and Action will be taken as necesssary .

Those who choose to Ignore this have been Warned.

For the UK CKCS CLUB to have put this on their Web Site, must be taking this matter seriously as well.

Hope-fully no Cavalier will ever again have to be stuck in a Cage in Hot Weather.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

I notice that some remarks have been made by Cavalier Owners who attend Cavalier Shows in Extreme Heat, and say that they have Never seen a Cavalier Stressed by by Temperatures of around 90 Degrees.

My comment to that ,is Well those Cavalier Show Goers would say that Would'nt They. !!!!

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15th July 2010, 09:23 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

I notice that some remarks have been made by Cavalier Owners who attend Cavalier Shows in Extreme Heat, and say that they have Never seen a Cavalier Stressed by by Temperatures of around 90 Degrees.

My comment to that ,is Well those Cavalier Show Goers would say that Would'nt They. !!!!

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

If I have made Cavalier Owners aware of the Dangers of Extreme Heat for their Cavaliers ,and my Thoughts can help the Suffering for Cavaliers in Hot Temperature Conditions, then I am Happy.

Because I know what our Cavaliers went through when there were High Temperatures especially if they had a Heart Problem,it was a Worrying Time.

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15th July 2010, 10:08 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

If I have made Cavalier Owners aware of the Dangers of Extreme Heat for their Cavaliers ,and my Thoughts can help the Suffering for Cavaliers in Hot Temperature Conditions, then I am Happy.

Because I know what our Cavaliers went through when there were High Temperatures especially if they had a Heart Problem,it was a Worrying Time.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE


I think you will all know how strongly I have felt about the Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the 90 Degree Temperatures at the East Of England Show last week.

In this week's DOG WORLD ,the treament of Dogs at Shows in Hot Weather Conditions are the Headlines.

The Focus is on Folk who leave their Dogs in Cars.

As I mentioned in a Previous Post about contacting the Kennel Club saying that it had appeared on a Cavalier Forum that there were Cavaliers who were stuck in Cages in the Heat at the East of England Show last Saturday, I was told that they were aware about what had been Posted on that Forum ,and it had been noted, so I guess it won't just be Dogs in Cars who will be subjected to Scrutiny but hope-fully the Cavaliers if any are ever again left in Cages in Hot Weather .

Surely for Cavaliers ,when they are well known to be Susceptible to MVD , they should NOT be being Subjected to be being taken to Shows in Hot Weather.

Glad the Kennel Club is on my Side about this.

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15th July 2010, 06:44 PM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE


I think you will all know how strongly I have felt about the Cavaliers being stuck in Cages in the 90 Degree Temperatures at the East Of England Show last week.

In this week's DOG WORLD ,the treament of Dogs at Shows in Hot Weather Conditions are the Headlines.

The Focus is on Folk who leave their Dogs in Cars.

As I mentioned in a Previous Post about contacting the Kennel Club saying that it had appeared on a Cavalier Forum that there were Cavaliers who were stuck in Cages in the Heat at the East of England Show last Saturday, I was told that they were aware about what had been Posted on that Forum ,and it had been noted, so I guess it won't just be Dogs in Cars who will be subjected to Scrutiny but hope-fully the Cavaliers if any are ever again left in Cages in Hot Weather .

Surely for Cavaliers ,when they are well known to be Susceptible to MVD , they should NOT be being Subjected to be being taken to Shows in Hot Weather.

Glad the Kennel Club is on my Side about this.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

This subject is now being discussed on the DOG WORLD Forum, where mention was made that Cavalier Exhibitors spend a Fortune on Cool Mats ,Cool Coats, Fans ,Heat Deflecting Cage Covers for their Cavaliers that they take to the Shows,.

So they must be concerned that the Hot Wearher could be having Risks for their Cavaliers.

If that is the case why do they take their Cavaliers to Shows in Hot Weather,

Why not just leave them at Home. !!!

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16th July 2010, 10:22 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

This subject is now being discussed on the DOG WORLD Forum, where mention was made that Cavalier Exhibitors spend a Fortune on Cool Mats ,Cool Coats, Fans ,Heat Deflecting Cage Covers for their Cavaliers that they take to the Shows,.

So they must be concerned that the Hot Wearher could be having Risks for their Cavaliers.

If that is the case why do they take their Cavaliers to Shows in Hot Weather,

Why not just leave them at Home. !!!

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I have been involved with the Discussion on DOG WORLD Forum about the Heat and Cavaliers.

Have just been informed by a Cavalier Exhibitor .

That there are Numerous Breeds of Dogs that a FAR more Susceptible to Extreme Heat than Cavaliers .

So now we know we who Truly Love Cavaliers are, that when there are some Cavalier Exhibitors who believe this, the Cavalier Breed ,our Cavaliers really have a Big Problem about their MVD Problem.

I have been told to stop Harrassing and mentioning about the Cavaliers' Health Problems,and Move on.

My Answer to this

NO CHANCE!!!!

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17th July 2010, 09:47 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I have been involved with the Discussion on DOG WORLD Forum about the Heat and Cavaliers.

Have just been informed by a Cavalier Exhibitor .

That there are Numerous Breeds of Dogs that a FAR more Susceptible to Extreme Heat than Cavaliers .

So now we know we who Truly Love Cavaliers are, that when there are some Cavalier Exhibitors who believe this, the Cavalier Breed ,our Cavaliers really have a Big Problem about their MVD Problem.

I have been told to stop Harrassing and mentioning about the Cavaliers' Health Problems,and Move on.

My Answer to this

NO CHANCE!!!!

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

However much some Cavalier Show Goers wish to sweep the Dangers of Hot Weather to Cavaliers under the carpet, and has been said ,to stop being Harrassed about this subject,here is what happens to them in Hot Weather.
When a Cavalier is Panting , is a Hot Dog,this has been said about Cavaliers at last week's Eof E Show, what is happening ,the Cavalier is Hot, the Brain is sending signals to different parts of the Body.

Their Heart and Lungs will have to work Harder

Because our Cavaliers are known as BRACHYCEPHALIC Dogs ,

THESE DOGS NEED SPECIAL CARE IN HOT WEATHER because they can over-heat quickly ,and this can be Fatal

Those Dogs have Short Noses so the Air being Breathed does'nt cool so well before it reaches the Lungs .

They have to Pant more ,less air is Passing in due to Shorter Muzzle Length and out ,and these Types of Dogs can quickly become Over-Heated and in Trouble.

Also those when those Types of Dogs are too Hot and Panting ,A Foamy Phlegm can be Produced in the Throat making it harder to Breath , Air-Ways can become Inflamed and Swollen leading to Further Difficulties Breathing and Distress.

Owners of a BRACHYCEPHALIC Dog ,which is a Cavalier ,will need to be EXTRA CAREFUL in HOT and HUMID WEATHER.

All Cavaliers will be in Cars when travelling to Shows, in Hot Weather , the Question has to be being asked ,do you really have to take your Cavalier to a Show on a Hot or Humid day.

OK, some Cars will have Air Conditioning ,but what happens if you are stuck in a Traffic Jam , or your Car Breaks down, how do you keep your Cavalier cool then.

Most important is to keep your Cavalier from Over-Heating in Hot Weather ,and in the Shade , this is not possible when Cavaliers are being Shown in the Full Sunlight in Hot Weather.

Cavaliers are far better suited suited to being Indoors when it's Hot ,in a Ventilated,Cool Room.

I have taken this information from the Internet, so have not made it up to suit my Argument about Cavaliers being affected and what can happen to them in Hot Weather.

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18th July 2010, 10:04 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

However much some Cavalier Show Goers wish to sweep the Dangers of Hot Weather to Cavaliers under the carpet, and has been said ,to stop being Harrassed about this subject,here is what happens to them in Hot Weather.
When a Cavalier is Panting , is a Hot Dog,this has been said about Cavaliers at last week's Eof E Show, what is happening ,the Cavalier is Hot, the Brain is sending signals to different parts of the Body.

Their Heart and Lungs will have to work Harder

Because our Cavaliers are known as BRACHYCEPHALIC Dogs ,

THESE DOGS NEED SPECIAL CARE IN HOT WEATHER because they can over-heat quickly ,and this can be Fatal

Those Dogs have Short Noses so the Air being Breathed does'nt cool so well before it reaches the Lungs .

They have to Pant more ,less air is Passing in due to Shorter Muzzle Length and out ,and these Types of Dogs can quickly become Over-Heated and in Trouble.

Also those when those Types of Dogs are too Hot and Panting ,A Foamy Phlegm can be Produced in the Throat making it harder to Breath , Air-Ways can become Inflamed and Swollen leading to Further Difficulties Breathing and Distress.

Owners of a BRACHYCEPHALIC Dog ,which is a Cavalier ,will need to be EXTRA CAREFUL in HOT and HUMID WEATHER.

All Cavaliers will be in Cars when travelling to Shows, in Hot Weather , the Question has to be being asked ,do you really have to take your Cavalier to a Show on a Hot or Humid day.

OK, some Cars will have Air Conditioning ,but what happens if you are stuck in a Traffic Jam , or your Car Breaks down, how do you keep your Cavalier cool then.

Most important is to keep your Cavalier from Over-Heating in Hot Weather ,and in the Shade , this is not possible when Cavaliers are being Shown in the Full Sunlight in Hot Weather.

Cavaliers are far better suited suited to being Indoors when it's Hot ,in a Ventilated,Cool Room.

I have taken this information from the Internet, so have not made it up to suit my Argument about Cavaliers being affected and what can happen to them in Hot Weather.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

Could I conclude by saying ,that because Cavaliers are a BRACHYCEPHALIC Breed and explained how the Hot Weather causes them Problems in Hot Weather,the Cavaliers also have to contend with being the only Toy Breed to be being affected with a Type of MVD at an early age ,and 50% of Cavaliers will have a Heart Murmur at 5 years of Age.

Do these 3 Facts put them more at Risk from Hot Weather.

Sorry to those Cavalier Owners who have Cavaliers Suffering from SM, I have concentrated on Cavaliers and how the Hot Weather could be damaging their Hearts, but Cavaliers with SM ,as Tania has explained in her Post are equally at Risk from Hot Weather.

I don't know ,maybe some-body would have thoughts about this, because of the Hot Weather and Cavaliers are a BRACHYCEPHALIC BREED and this causes them to Pant more ,will this be putting more Strain on them because they are suffering from SM.

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anniemac
18th July 2010, 08:44 PM
There are some people who just don't think. In charlotte nc it was above 100 degrees extreme tempatures and I got emails about a cavalier meet up at the park. The park has no water for them to cool down. I agree to nip things in the bud ans I pointed out the danger especially for our short nosed breed, and the meet up was moved inside. I did send a reminder to everyone before about the danger of heat and links before they decided to have a group meet-up at 2pm (the hottest time) in the blazing heat. I guess there will always be people who no matter what you say, don't get it.

I never thought about traveling in the heat and what would happen if the car broke down. Huh

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19th July 2010, 11:36 AM
There are some people who just don't think. In charlotte nc it was above 100 degrees extreme tempatures and I got emails about a cavalier meet up at the park. The park has no water for them to cool down. I agree to nip things in the bud ans I pointed out the danger especially for our short nosed breed, and the meet up was moved inside. I did send a reminder to everyone before about the danger of heat and links before they decided to have a group meet-up at 2pm (the hottest time) in the blazing heat. I guess there will always be people who no matter what you say, don't get it.

I never thought about traveling in the heat and what would happen if the car broke down. Huh

The Cavalier Show Scene.

May I be allowed to thank the Folk who Administer this Web Site for allowing me to warn Cavalier owners about the Dangers to their Cavaliers in Hot Weather because they are a Brachycephalic Breed

I have mentioned how I have been Sticking up for our Beloved Cavaliers at the moment in the Discussion on the Dog World Forum ,and warning about the Dangers to the Cavaliers in Hot Weather at Shows, all my Posts have been now Removed.

This can only happen when some-body Objects to what I have been Posting.

What a Sad Cavalier World this now is, when I am Accused of Wanting to Destroy the Cavalier Breed when I mention the Health Problems of SM and MVD Problems Afflicting Cavaliers.

It was said on the Dog World Forum by one who has put this Post, ( I guess she does not know much about the Cavalier Breed),that Cavaliers are Strong, Robust, Energenic Little Dogs ,that can Run for Miles and Live to a Decent Age.

Well this Post could have Fooled me ,and I am sure to other Owners of Cavaliers Suffering from SM and have died at a young age from MVD.

I have been told to Stop Knocking the Cavalier Breed ,I can only guess that this message has come from one or more Cavalier Breeders ,no Heart Broken Pet Cavalier who has lost their Beloved Cavalier to either SM or MVD would have issued such a Remark to me.

If this has come from a few Cavalier Breeders ,what are they Scared about, could it maybe be that the Public are now being made aware about the Two Serious Health Problems in our Cavalier Breed SM and MVD, and some Cavalier Breeders are losing Incomes in not being able to sell their Cavalier Puppies.

I just don't know.

Bet.

That Cavaliers

Bet
19th July 2010, 06:16 PM
[QUOTE=Bet;365083]The Cavalier Show Scene.

May I be allowed to thank the Folk who Administer this Web Site for allowing me to warn Cavalier owners about the Dangers to their Cavaliers in Hot Weather because they are a Brachycephalic Breed

I have mentioned how I have been Sticking up for our Beloved Cavaliers at the moment in the Discussion on the Dog World Forum ,and warning about the Dangers to the Cavaliers in Hot Weather at Shows, all my Posts have been now Removed.

This can only happen when some-body Objects to what I have been Posting.

What a Sad Cavalier World this now is, when I am Accused of Wanting to Destroy the Cavalier Breed when I mention the Health Problems of SM and MVD Problems Afflicting Cavaliers.

It was said on the Dog World Forum by one who has put this Post, ( I guess she does not know much about the Cavalier Breed),that Cavaliers are Strong, Robust, Energenic Little Dogs ,that can Run for Miles and Live to a Decent Age.

Well this Post could have Fooled me ,and I am sure to other Owners of Cavaliers Suffering from SM and have died at a young age from MVD.

I have been told to Stop Knocking the Cavalier Breed ,I can only guess that this message has come from one or more Cavalier Breeders ,no Heart Broken Pet Cavalier who has lost their Beloved Cavalier to either SM or MVD would have issued such a Remark to me.

If this has come from a few Cavalier Breeders ,what are they Scared about, could it maybe be that the Public are now being made aware about the Two Serious Health Problems in our Cavalier Breed SM and MVD, and some Cavalier Breeders are losing Incomes in not being able to sell their Cavalier Puppies.

I just don't know.

Bet.



THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

There is maybe going to be a News-Paper going to be getting Details about what happens at Dog Shows to Dogs in Hot Weather ,about being left in Cars and in Cages in Hot Conditions.

If I notice any-thing in the Press about this, I will Post on it.

Bet

Bet
19th July 2010, 06:39 PM
[QUOTE=Bet;365083]The Cavalier Show Scene.

May I be allowed to thank the Folk who Administer this Web Site for allowing me to warn Cavalier owners about the Dangers to their Cavaliers in Hot Weather because they are a Brachycephalic Breed

I have mentioned how I have been Sticking up for our Beloved Cavaliers at the moment in the Discussion on the Dog World Forum ,and warning about the Dangers to the Cavaliers in Hot Weather at Shows, all my Posts have been now Removed.

This can only happen when some-body Objects to what I have been Posting.

What a Sad Cavalier World this now is, when I am Accused of Wanting to Destroy the Cavalier Breed when I mention the Health Problems of SM and MVD Problems Afflicting Cavaliers.

It was said on the Dog World Forum by one who has put this Post, ( I guess she does not know much about the Cavalier Breed),that Cavaliers are Strong, Robust, Energenic Little Dogs ,that can Run for Miles and Live to a Decent Age.

Well this Post could have Fooled me ,and I am sure to other Owners of Cavaliers Suffering from SM and have died at a young age from MVD.

I have been told to Stop Knocking the Cavalier Breed ,I can only guess that this message has come from one or more Cavalier Breeders ,no Heart Broken Pet Cavalier who has lost their Beloved Cavalier to either SM or MVD would have issued such a Remark to me.

If this has come from a few Cavalier Breeders ,what are they Scared about, could it maybe be that the Public are now being made aware about the Two Serious Health Problems in our Cavalier Breed SM and MVD, and some Cavalier Breeders are losing Incomes in not being able to sell their Cavalier Puppies.

I just don't know.

Bet.



THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

There is maybe going to be a News-Paper going to be getting Details about what happens at Dog Shows to Dogs in Hot Weather ,about being left in Cars and in Cages in Hot Conditions.

If I notice any-thing in the Press about this, I will Post on it.

Bet


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

Sorry about this Folks, should have included it in my Previous Post, there seems to be some Denial about Cavaliers being a Brachycephalic Breed.

Maybe Moderately so, but the Warning still applies ,they are a BRACHYCEPHALIC BREED.

This is also Confirmed by Martin Deutschland ,a Neurologist, who has recently had a Paper Published about the Chiari Malformation in the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ,a Brachycephalic Breed of Dog.

There is Scientific Literature which contains many References to our Cavaliers being Brachcephalic .

This is easily found in Veterinary Papers on the Internet.

Bet

Tania
20th July 2010, 08:48 AM
[QUOTE=Bet;365111]


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

Sorry about this Folks, should have included it in my Previous Post, there seems to be some Denial about Cavaliers being a Brachycephalic Breed.

Maybe Moderately so, but the Warning still applies ,they are a BRACHYCEPHALIC BREED.

This is also Confirmed by Martin Deutschland ,a Neurologist, who has recently had a Paper Published about the Chiari Malformation in the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ,a Brachycephalic Breed of Dog.

There is Scientific Literature which contains many References to our Cavaliers being Brachcephalic .

This is easily found in Veterinary Papers on the Internet.

Bet


Hi Bet,

Found this: http://www.cavalierhealth.org/brachycephalic.htm

kind regards

Bet
20th July 2010, 10:03 AM
[QUOTE=Bet;365114]


Hi Bet,

Found this: http://www.cavalierhealth.org/brachycephalic.htm

kind regards



The Cavalier SHOW SCENE

Thanks Tania for this.

I just cannot understand why some Cavalier Owners are so annoyed when I dare Mention the Health of our Cavalier Breed,

All Hell is Let Loose.

What are they trying to cover up when they don't want this Subject to be being Discussed.

But for their Information I will NEVER stop being involved with our Beloved Cavaliers and their Health Problems.

For the benefit of those who are trying to make out that I am Lying about the Cavaliers being a BRACHYCEPHALIC Breed ,this also is referred to as Brachycephalic Airway Obstruction Disease (BAOS)

The Cavalier Breed is Pre-Disposed to this Condition

The mention of this on the Internet is because of the Cavaliers Comparatively Short Length of their
Head and a Compressed Upper Jaw.

This means that Dogs with Short Muzzles ,Noses and Mouths ,who are described as Brachycephalic ,their Throats and Breathing Passages are Undersized or Flattened .

The Head's Soft Tissue are not Proportionate to the Shortened Nature of the Skull,and the Excess Tissues Tend to Increase the Flow of Air through the Upper Airway ,( Nostrils ,Sinuses, Pharynx and Larynx)

This defect is seen in a Few other Breeds ,however Various Degrees of BAOS PREDOMINATE in our Cavaliers.

There is some Argument as to whether the Cavalier Breed is Brachycephalic amongst Researchers or a Mesaticephalic Breed

What really is important for the Cavaliers ,regardless about this ,the Cavaliers are Predisposed to Brachycephalic Breathing Difficulties in Hot Weather.

Finally ,there has been much comment about Cavaliers being stuck in Cages at the East of England Championship Show,and this is being denied by some of the Show Goers.

So the Question is,

Were there Cavaliers in Cages at the East of England Show or not.??

Bet

sins
20th July 2010, 11:19 AM
I've followed this saga from start to finish.
The substantive issue is not whether or not cavaliers were stuck in cages or kept in cages at that (or any other show).The substantive issue was whether or not any cavaliers were cooked in their cages,or medically compromised in any way.
There are no reports of any animal requiring veterinary assistance and the person who initiated the debate on another forum even stated that no dogs were in distress.

mention was made that Cavalier Exhibitors spend a Fortune on Cool Mats ,Cool Coats, Fans ,Heat Deflecting Cage Covers for their Cavaliers that they take to the Shows,.
So they must be concerned that the Hot Weather could be having Risks for their Cavaliers.

Yes Bet,obviously people were well aware of the risks to dogs in hot weather and have taken the necessary steps to look after their dog's comfort.
I can appreciate the fact that some people have reservations as to whether it's right or not to show dogs at all,but there's a world of difference between abandoning a dog in a hot car and taking your dog to a show in an air conditioned car and keeping it in under direct supervision a crate with a cool mat or heat reflective crate cover.
Also there is no ethical issue in having a dog in a crate,either at a show or at home as long as it used appropriately to keep a dog safe,comfortable and secure.
Sins

Bet
20th July 2010, 12:11 PM
I've followed this saga from start to finish.
The substantive issue is not whether or not cavaliers were stuck in cages or kept in cages at that (or any other show).The substantive issue was whether or not any cavaliers were cooked in their cages,or medically compromised in any way.
There are no reports of any animal requiring veterinary assistance and the person who initiated the debate on another forum even stated that no dogs were in distress.

Yes Bet,obviously people were well aware of the risks to dogs in hot weather and have taken the necessary steps to look after their dog's comfort.
I can appreciate the fact that some people have reservations as to whether it's right or not to show dogs at all,but there's a world of difference between abandoning a dog in a hot car and taking your dog to a show in an air conditioned car and keeping it in under direct supervision a crate with a cool mat or heat reflective crate cover.
Also there is no ethical issue in having a dog in a crate,either at a show or at home as long as it used appropriately to keep a dog safe,comfortable and secure.
Sins


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

The Only way to know if a Cavalier or a Dog was Over Heating at the East of England Championship Show, is to have taken their Temperature , so for the Cavaliers who were Reported to have been shut in Cages at that Show, how can it be said that they were not Over Heating if their Temperature had not been taken.

Was this done. If not ,it can't be said that those Cavaliers were not Over Heating.

Also it has just been said on another Cavalier Forum by a Researcher into the Cavalier SM Problem, and has allowed her Statement to be Quoted

That she is Happy to say that we consider Cavaliers are Bracycephalic .

They have the Classic Problems of a Brachycephalic ,although not as extreme as a Pug

If Published Papers are looked at ,they all talk about the Cavaliers as being Brachycephalic.

So ,when there is Hot Weather ,remember and take Particular of Cavaliers , since they are at risk because they are considered to be a Brachycephalic by the Experts.

Bet

Bet
20th July 2010, 01:31 PM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

The Only way to know if a Cavalier or a Dog was Over Heating at the East of England Championship Show, is to have taken their Temperature , so for the Cavaliers who were Reported to have been shut in Cages at that Show, how can it be said that they were not Over Heating if their Temperature had not been taken.

Was this done. If not ,it can't be said that those Cavaliers were not Over Heating.

Also it has just been said on another Cavalier Forum by a Researcher into the Cavalier SM Problem, and has allowed her Statement to be Quoted

That she is Happy to say that we consider Cavaliers are Bracycephalic .

They have the Classic Problems of a Brachycephalic ,although not as extreme as a Pug

If Published Papers are looked at ,they all talk about the Cavaliers as being Brachycephalic.

So ,when there is Hot Weather ,remember and take Particular of Cavaliers , since they are at risk because they are considered to be a Brachycephalic by the Experts.

Bet


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

SINS ,

Just read your Post and have to make this Comment,if you go to Show with a Cavalier and have to have the Cavalier
in a Cage with Cool Mat or a Heat Reflector Crate Cover, then the Cavalier Owner must be having concerns about the Hot Weather , so why is it a Must for the Owner to be Attending that particular Show, why not stay at Home with their Cavaliers.

What is so urgent that they have to attend Shows with their Cavaliers ,when the Cavalier Breed is said by the Experts to be considered a Brachycephalic Breed ,and it is known that this Type of Breed can be at risk in Hot Weather.

Bet

Bet
20th July 2010, 07:11 PM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

SINS ,

Just read your Post and have to make this Comment,if you go to Show with a Cavalier and have to have the Cavalier
in a Cage with Cool Mat or a Heat Reflector Crate Cover, then the Cavalier Owner must be having concerns about the Hot Weather , so why is it a Must for the Owner to be Attending that particular Show, why not stay at Home with their Cavaliers.

What is so urgent that they have to attend Shows with their Cavaliers ,when the Cavalier Breed is said by the Experts to be considered a Brachycephalic Breed ,and it is known that this Type of Breed can be at risk in Hot Weather.

Bet


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

I had not realized that when I Posted about Cavaliers being a Brachycephalic Breed ,some Cavalier Breeders would be having the Vapours!!

I did not know it was such Touchy Subject for some of them .

I was trying to get across to Owners of Cavaliers how their Cavaliers could be affected by the Hot Weather because they are this Type of Breed.

As was said on another Cavalier Forum, by a Cavalier Researcher into SM, that there is some Contention about Cavaliers being a Brachycephalic Breed ,but to look at Published Papers, they all talk about CKCS being Brachycephalic.

I have checked again as to what was actually said.These are the exact words.

I have just been looking at Published Papers on the Internet , at least 30, and that is what is agreed, .

Those Cavalier Breeders who seem to think that this word should not be being used about our Cavaliers, maybe should have another think, and realize that Cavalier Owners will now know to give special attention to Cavaliers in Hot Weather.

That not all Breeds of Dogs are Bracycephalic , but the Experts talk about Cavaliers being this Type of Breed.

Bet

Bet
21st July 2010, 10:12 AM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE.

I had not realized that when I Posted about Cavaliers being a Brachycephalic Breed ,some Cavalier Breeders would be having the Vapours!!

I did not know it was such Touchy Subject for some of them .

I was trying to get across to Owners of Cavaliers how their Cavaliers could be affected by the Hot Weather because they are this Type of Breed.

As was said on another Cavalier Forum, by a Cavalier Researcher into SM, that there is some Contention about Cavaliers being a Brachycephalic Breed ,but to look at Published Papers, they all talk about CKCS being Brachycephalic.

I have checked again as to what was actually said.These are the exact words.

I have just been looking at Published Papers on the Internet , at least 30, and that is what is agreed, .

Those Cavalier Breeders who seem to think that this word should not be being used about our Cavaliers, maybe should have another think, and realize that Cavalier Owners will now know to give special attention to Cavaliers in Hot Weather.

That not all Breeds of Dogs are Bracycephalic , but the Experts talk about Cavaliers being this Type of Breed.

Bet


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I am getting a Wee bit Fed up being called a Liar by some in the Cavalier World because I have mentioned that the Cavalier Breed is a Brachcepalic Breed,

Hopefully this comment which was made at a Conference at the Royal Veterinary College ,November 11 2006 ,attended by Neurologists and Researchers discussing SM in Cavaliers, where it was Stated that the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel is a Brachcepalic Breed of Dog.

The only reason why I have brought this to the attention of this List ,is because this Type of Dog can have difficulties in Hot Weather when their Breathing can be Impared

This all started because at the East of England Championship Show a couple of week's ago ,there were Cavaliers stuck in Cages at the Ring Side in the Extreme Heat and it was said on another Cavalier List ,he was annoyed at seeing what was happening that he even took Photos about it.

Now there is a deal of talk about those Cavaliers not being in Distress ,all I can ask was the Temperatures of those Cavaliers taken to find out if they were Over-Heating,if this was not done ,then no-body can say whether they were Distressed or not.


Bet

anniemac
21st July 2010, 03:52 PM
I read this post and I don't know why I could not say the term BRACHYCEPHALIC BREED. I completely agree with it because I read about it on Cavalier Health and also I would like to point out that there are restrictions about Cavaliers along with Pugs because they are BRACHYCEPHALIC and can become overheated. If you want to fly during the summer months, this is one of the breeds that is restricted from flying underneath. I don't know who would do that but if they were not considered part of this category then why are they grouped with the others? I don't know what to make of the response of my post. I am extremely careful about the amount of time I allow Ella to be outside. I actually have a cool vest http://www.inthecompanyofdogs.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=D73020%20BL%20XS&srccode=NXCDC6 for Ella to wear. I will submit a post under the shop-o-holic section. I have explained the dangers and even wrote a newsletter to a group in Charlotte about dogs over heating. I will put what I wrote on a blog post.

Bet
29th July 2010, 06:47 PM
I read this post and I don't know why I could not say the term BRACHYCEPHALIC BREED. I completely agree with it because I read about it on Cavalier Health and also I would like to point out that there are restrictions about Cavaliers along with Pugs because they are BRACHYCEPHALIC and can become overheated. If you want to fly during the summer months, this is one of the breeds that is restricted from flying underneath. I don't know who would do that but if they were not considered part of this category then why are they grouped with the others? I don't know what to make of the response of my post. I am extremely careful about the amount of time I allow Ella to be outside. I actually have a cool vest http://www.inthecompanyofdogs.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=D73020%20BL%20XS&srccode=NXCDC6 for Ella to wear. I will submit a post under the shop-o-holic section. I have explained the dangers and even wrote a newsletter to a group in Charlotte about dogs over heating. I will put what I wrote on a blog post.

THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

If I could be allowed to return to the subject of Heat Stress to Dogs ,Steve Dean ,who writes a Veterinary Column every week in the Dog World,has this week written about the effects of Heat Stress to Dogs.

Because Cavaliers are a BRACYCEPHALIC Breed of DOG, this is how Heat Stress will affect them.

He explains the Seriousness of the Risk to Dogs from Heat Stress.

Dogs maintain a Body Temperature at or close to 101degrees Farnheit, this optimum temperature may differ between Individual Dogs by +/-One per Cent ,but outside this Range Abnormality can be assumed.

The most serious condition for a Dog is a Hot Humid Environment,Humidity plays a Disatrous Role.

When a Dogs Temperature rises above 104 Degrees, vigorous Panting will be evident,their Veins will Dilate reducing Blood Pressure, and Lungs will be starved of Oxygen,then finally the Brain and Heart will fail,and the Dog Dies.

Surely when Cavaliers are at a greater Risk in Hot Humid Days, why put them under more Stress by taking them to Shows.

Just leave them at Home, they don't know about what Winning at Shows means, only their Owners.!

Bet

Bet
1st August 2010, 03:34 PM
THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

If I could be allowed to return to the subject of Heat Stress to Dogs ,Steve Dean ,who writes a Veterinary Column every week in the Dog World,has this week written about the effects of Heat Stress to Dogs.

Because Cavaliers are a BRACYCEPHALIC Breed of DOG, this is how Heat Stress will affect them.

He explains the Seriousness of the Risk to Dogs from Heat Stress.

Dogs maintain a Body Temperature at or close to 101degrees Farnheit, this optimum temperature may differ between Individual Dogs by +/-One per Cent ,but outside this Range Abnormality can be assumed.

The most serious condition for a Dog is a Hot Humid Environment,Humidity plays a Disatrous Role.

When a Dogs Temperature rises above 104 Degrees, vigorous Panting will be evident,their Veins will Dilate reducing Blood Pressure, and Lungs will be starved of Oxygen,then finally the Brain and Heart will fail,and the Dog Dies.

Surely when Cavaliers are at a greater Risk in Hot Humid Days, why put them under more Stress by taking them to Shows.

Just leave them at Home, they don't know about what Winning at Shows means, only their Owners.!

Bet

The DOG SHOW SCENE

I have just left this Post on this Thread.

I have read an interesting Article about the Biggest Problem regarding the Show Scene and some Dog Breeders .

Here are a few comments made in it .

Genetic Disease continues to inspire a range of negative Human behaviour ,wrapping the subject in a Shroud of Secrecy and Denial

The Intimidation to enforce Silence ,the Fear of speaking out ,and Inabitity to Face Facts .

The Article mentions that these are the biggest Problems that Breeders face in the attempt to control Genetic Disease in Pure-Bred Dogs .

The Breeders who put Winning above all other Goals,their belief is ,it does'nt matter as long the Dog Wins .

Their Dogs must Win ,as must their Dogs' Off-springs,and woe betide any-one who stands in their way as they pursue Greater Breed and Personal Glory

This Ego-driven behaviour affects Genetic Disease Control.

If a Genetic problem is not apparent, they will ignore it .

If another person knows about the problem ,,any means will be used to quieten that Person , such as Bully -Tactics and Rumor Mongering.

For us who have to suffer from these Bullies ,is to refuse to be Bullied ,unfortunately they have their Hangers-On who Harass us.

We just have to remember when this is happening , think about a Heart Broken Kiddie who has just been told that his Beloved ,and I will mention Cavalier here,has to be Put to Sleep because of a Devastating Disease , SM and MVD come to mind.

This Article also mentions the Ostrich Syndrome ,this is where many Breeders will find Excuses and Justifications for not doing Health Screening Tests .

The Fear of Genetic Diseases can lead to Group behaviour ,some-times the Followers of a Big name wish to curry Favour ,Health Survey Results will be suppressed and even Genetic Health Programs Stifled.

Some of us in the Cavalier World are having a Rough time of it at the moment in trying to give our beloved Cavalier Breed the chance of a Healthier,Longer Life,but when we look back at all the nastyness we have to endure at this time in our Lives ,we will know it has all been Worth While.

Bet.

We just have to

Bet
3rd August 2010, 10:18 AM
[QUOTE=Bet;366048]The DOG SHOW SCENE

I have just left this Post on this Thread.

I have read an interesting Article about the Biggest Problem regarding the Show Scene and some Dog Breeders .

Here are a few comments made in it .

Genetic Disease continues to inspire a range of negative Human behaviour ,wrapping the subject in a Shroud of Secrecy and Denial

The Intimidation to enforce Silence ,the Fear of speaking out ,and Inabitity to Face Facts .

The Article mentions that these are the biggest Problems that Breeders face in the attempt to control Genetic Disease in Pure-Bred Dogs .

The Breeders who put Winning above all other Goals,their belief is ,it does'nt matter as long the Dog Wins .

Their Dogs must Win ,as must their Dogs' Off-springs,and woe betide any-one who stands in their way as they pursue Greater Breed and Personal Glory

This Ego-driven behaviour affects Genetic Disease Control.

If a Genetic problem is not apparent, they will ignore it .

If another person knows about the problem ,,any means will be used to quieten that Person , such as Bully -Tactics and Rumor Mongering.

For us who have to suffer from these Bullies ,is to refuse to be Bullied ,unfortunately they have their Hangers-On who Harass us.

We just have to remember when this is happening , think about a Heart Broken Kiddie who has just been told that his Beloved ,and I will mention Cavalier here,has to be Put to Sleep because of a Devastating Disease , SM and MVD come to mind.

This Article also mentions the Ostrich Syndrome ,this is where many Breeders will find Excuses and Justifications for not doing Health Screening Tests .

The Fear of Genetic Diseases can lead to Group behaviour ,some-times the Followers of a Big name wish to curry Favour ,Health Survey Results will be suppressed and even Genetic Health Programs Stifled.

Some of us in the Cavalier World are having a Rough time of it at the moment in trying to give our beloved Cavalier Breed the chance of a Healthier,Longer Life,but when we look back at all the nastyness we have to endure at this time in our Lives ,we will know it has all been Worth While.

Bet.


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I have just taken the PLUNGE !!!!

Posted my First Blog!

I felt that my Previous Post from the Article I mentioned, had a number of Comments that were so true, that I would put them in my First Blog.

I also included this on my Blog which is important as well.

That at the Moment there seems to be a Good Number of Cavalier Breeders who are with-holding Information about the Health Checks about their Cavalier Breeding Stock from the Researchers .

If this Information is not passed on ,how can the Researchers find the Answers to the SM and MVD Problems.

This could Link in with the Money to be being given to CKCS HEALTH FUND from the BLENHEIM SHOW and AUCTION.

This is Great , but surely it must run in Tandem with All the Cavalier Breeders ,not just a Few, to support the Cavalier Researchers, those Cavalier Breeders who seem at the moment to be Back-Word at coming Forward with Vital Health Information about their Cavalier Breeding Stock.

It's all very well giving Money to the CKCS HEALTH FUND ,but the Health Information about Cavaliers is as equally Important for the Researchers.

Bet.

Bet
3rd August 2010, 10:39 AM
[QUOTE=Bet;366048]The DOG SHOW SCENE

I have just left this Post on this Thread.

I have read an interesting Article about the Biggest Problem regarding the Show Scene and some Dog Breeders .

Here are a few comments made in it .

Genetic Disease continues to inspire a range of negative Human behaviour ,wrapping the subject in a Shroud of Secrecy and Denial

The Intimidation to enforce Silence ,the Fear of speaking out ,and Inabitity to Face Facts .

The Article mentions that these are the biggest Problems that Breeders face in the attempt to control Genetic Disease in Pure-Bred Dogs .

The Breeders who put Winning above all other Goals,their belief is ,it does'nt matter as long the Dog Wins .

Their Dogs must Win ,as must their Dogs' Off-springs,and woe betide any-one who stands in their way as they pursue Greater Breed and Personal Glory

This Ego-driven behaviour affects Genetic Disease Control.

If a Genetic problem is not apparent, they will ignore it .

If another person knows about the problem ,,any means will be used to quieten that Person , such as Bully -Tactics and Rumor Mongering.

For us who have to suffer from these Bullies ,is to refuse to be Bullied ,unfortunately they have their Hangers-On who Harass us.

We just have to remember when this is happening , think about a Heart Broken Kiddie who has just been told that his Beloved ,and I will mention Cavalier here,has to be Put to Sleep because of a Devastating Disease , SM and MVD come to mind.

This Article also mentions the Ostrich Syndrome ,this is where many Breeders will find Excuses and Justifications for not doing Health Screening Tests .

The Fear of Genetic Diseases can lead to Group behaviour ,some-times the Followers of a Big name wish to curry Favour ,Health Survey Results will be suppressed and even Genetic Health Programs Stifled.

Some of us in the Cavalier World are having a Rough time of it at the moment in trying to give our beloved Cavalier Breed the chance of a Healthier,Longer Life,but when we look back at all the nastyness we have to endure at this time in our Lives ,we will know it has all been Worth While.

Bet.


THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I have just taken the PLUNGE !!!!

Posted my First Blog!

I felt that my Previous Post from the Article I mentioned, had a number of Comments that were so true, that I would put them in my First Blog.

I also included this on my Blog which is important as well.

That at the Moment there seems to be a Good Number of Cavalier Breeders who are with-holding Information about the Health Checks about their Cavalier Breeding Stock from the Researchers .

If this Information is not passed on ,how can the Researchers find the Answers to the SM and MVD Problems.

This could Link in with the Money to be being given to CKCS HEALTH FUND from the BLENHEIM SHOW and AUCTION.

This is Great , but surely it must run in Tandem with All the Cavalier Breeders ,not just a Few, to support the Cavalier Researchers, those Cavalier Breeders who seem at the moment to be Back-Word at coming Forward with Vital Health Information about their Cavalier Breeding Stock.

It's all very well giving Money to the CKCS HEALTH FUND ,but the Health Information about Cavaliers is as equally Important for the Researchers.

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AS A PS to my Previous Post, I wonder if there has been Specific Detailed Account about what Research Money has been given to, from the CKCS HEALTH FUND.

Is there a Different Section for each Different Research and the Money equally Divided amongst all the Research Projects?

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13th August 2010, 11:09 AM
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AS A PS to my Previous Post, I wonder if there has been Specific Detailed Account about what Research Money has been given to, from the CKCS HEALTH FUND.

Is there a Different Section for each Different Research and the Money equally Divided amongst all the Research Projects?

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I have just come across this Article and thought it was worth Posting .

"In every Breed in this Shallow World of Exhibition ,there is always the "Breed Mafia".

Usually a Group of Elderly Woman (with the occasional male)that is steadfast in it's View ,even when wrong ,they are self Proclaimed Experts in nothing,who Chant ,we are the Breed ,there is nothing any-one can teach us about this Breed

Unfortunately all this does is creat Disharmony,Damages Dogs and Stagnates Gene Pools to such a Degree that Health Crisis are inevitable."

Can I mention the Cavalier Breed here , the Cavaliers are battling Two huge Health Problems at the moment, MVD and SM , this comment was mentioned in the PDE TV Program,that no-body could argue that enough is being done,as the PDE TV Program commented , every one of the Top Stud Dogs had been used Under-Age ,and they all had been used Out-Side the Breeding Guidelines.

I don't know but is this still happening?

What is also distressing to read is, in Posts all that seems to be required for the Show Scene, are Cavaliers with Free Flowing Movement ,not a mention of not Suffering from SM or MVD.

Surely in the Cavalier World ,the time has come to Stop Dimissing the Critics about the Health Problems in the Cavalier Breed and Engage in an Open Debate about the Cavaliers' Health Troubles.

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15th August 2010, 01:22 PM
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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I have just come across this Article and thought it was worth Posting .

"In every Breed in this Shallow World of Exhibition ,there is always the "Breed Mafia".

Usually a Group of Elderly Woman (with the occasional male)that is steadfast in it's View ,even when wrong ,they are self Proclaimed Experts in nothing,who Chant ,we are the Breed ,there is nothing any-one can teach us about this Breed

Unfortunately all this does is creat Disharmony,Damages Dogs and Stagnates Gene Pools to such a Degree that Health Crisis are inevitable."

Can I mention the Cavalier Breed here , the Cavaliers are battling Two huge Health Problems at the moment, MVD and SM , this comment was mentioned in the PDE TV Program,that no-body could argue that enough is being done,as the PDE TV Program commented , every one of the Top Stud Dogs had been used Under-Age ,and they all had been used Out-Side the Breeding Guidelines.

I don't know but is this still happening?

What is also distressing to read is, in Posts all that seems to be required for the Show Scene, are Cavaliers with Free Flowing Movement ,not a mention of not Suffering from SM or MVD.

Surely in the Cavalier World ,the time has come to Stop Dimissing the Critics about the Health Problems in the Cavalier Breed and Engage in an Open Debate about the Cavaliers' Health Troubles.

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The CAVALIER SHOW Scene.

Could I add to my Post on this subject, that I have just read that there could be some Screws being in danger of becoming Loosened from the Plates being used in some Cavaliers' Surgery for SM.

Surely when there could be a risk of this Happening to some Cavaliers having this Operation, all Cavalier Breeders have a Responsibility ,not just ones who are Heeding the UK CCKCS Breeding Guidelines,not to Breed from a Cavalier with SM and to have their Cavalier Breeding Stock MRI Scanned.

How on earth can those Cavalier Breeders sleep at night ,if they are not taking the Breeding Guideline Advice from the SM Researchers, when this could be adding to the suffering of some Cavaliers.

Cavaliers are such a Delighful and Precious Breed, they deserve better than this.

As I said previously , there must be more to the Cavalier Show Scene than just having the Egos of some Inflated .

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23rd August 2010, 09:40 AM
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The CAVALIER SHOW Scene.

Could I add to my Post on this subject, that I have just read that there could be some Screws being in danger of becoming Loosened from the Plates being used in some Cavaliers' Surgery for SM.

Surely when there could be a risk of this Happening to some Cavaliers having this Operation, all Cavalier Breeders have a Responsibility ,not just ones who are Heeding the UK CCKCS Breeding Guidelines,not to Breed from a Cavalier with SM and to have their Cavalier Breeding Stock MRI Scanned.

How on earth can those Cavalier Breeders sleep at night ,if they are not taking the Breeding Guideline Advice from the SM Researchers, when this could be adding to the suffering of some Cavaliers.

Cavaliers are such a Delighful and Precious Breed, they deserve better than this.

As I said previously , there must be more to the Cavalier Show Scene than just having the Egos of some Inflated .

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I was so pleased to read that at the Blenheim Palace Show, that the Cavalier Pet Owners will now have been made so aware of the Health Problems afflicting our Cavaliers.

Also about the Research that is going into trying to find a Solution for their Health Problems.

Now ,hope-fully every-one can now forward, particularly all Cavalier Breeders, not just some, in giving all the Information that is needed for the SM and MVD Researchers.

Also the Cavalier Pet Buying Public have such a big part to play in trying to give our Cavalier Breed a Future, .

ALWAYS ASK to see a Health Certificate from the Cavalier Breeder as proof that their Breeding Stock has been Health Tested, and ask as well to find out that the Cavalier Breeder has not Bred from their Cavaliers before 2.5 years of age, and know about the Health Status of the Grand-Parents at 5 years of age.

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23rd August 2010, 11:58 AM
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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

I was so pleased to read that at the Blenheim Palace Show, that the Cavalier Pet Owners will now have been made so aware of the Health Problems afflicting our Cavaliers.

Also about the Research that is going into trying to find a Solution for their Health Problems.

Now ,hope-fully every-one can now forward, particularly all Cavalier Breeders, not just some, in giving all the Information that is needed for the SM and MVD Researchers.

Also the Cavalier Pet Buying Public have such a big part to play in trying to give our Cavalier Breed a Future, .

ALWAYS ASK to see a Health Certificate from the Cavalier Breeder as proof that their Breeding Stock has been Health Tested, and ask as well to find out that the Cavalier Breeder has not Bred from their Cavaliers before 2.5 years of age, and know about the Health Status of the Grand-Parents at 5 years of age.

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

In case there are any Prospective Pet Cavalier Owners wanting to know why I mentioned in my Post about asking the Cavalier Breeder if they Bred form the Puppy's Parents before they were 2.5 years of age and if the Cavalier Breeder knows of the Health Status of Grand-Parents at 5 years of age, this is because this is the Breeding Guidelines Recommended by the UK CKCS CLUB,for SM and MVD ,not to Breed from a Cavalier before 2.5 years and for the Cavalier Breeder to know about the Health Status of the Grand-Parents.

You will understand all you Cavalier Pet Buying Public ,how Important it is for you to be doing this in-order to give our Cavaliers the Chance of Healthier. Longer Lives.

If you have asked this question from the Cavalier Breeder and the answer is NO, then maybe you go to a Cavalier Breeder who has followed those Breeding Guidelines

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10th September 2010, 12:07 PM
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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE

In case there are any Prospective Pet Cavalier Owners wanting to know why I mentioned in my Post about asking the Cavalier Breeder if they Bred form the Puppy's Parents before they were 2.5 years of age and if the Cavalier Breeder knows of the Health Status of Grand-Parents at 5 years of age, this is because this is the Breeding Guidelines Recommended by the UK CKCS CLUB,for SM and MVD ,not to Breed from a Cavalier before 2.5 years and for the Cavalier Breeder to know about the Health Status of the Grand-Parents.

You will understand all you Cavalier Pet Buying Public ,how Important it is for you to be doing this in-order to give our Cavaliers the Chance of Healthier. Longer Lives.

If you have asked this question from the Cavalier Breeder and the answer is NO, then maybe you go to a Cavalier Breeder who has followed those Breeding Guidelines

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THE CAVALIER SHOW SCENE


This Article has just appeared in a Dog Magazine this Week.

Since I feel it could also apply to the Cavalier Show Scene , here goes.

For some who attend Dog Shows every week with-out fail ,it's all about Winning at all Costs.

Cavaliers are transported from one end of Britain to the other end.

Some Brave souls even camp in all Weathers at Various Shows and also drive for Hours , what pleasure is this for the Cavaliers.

They just have no say about this Treatment.

Only for their Owners to inflate their Egos further by Winning a Piece of Card -Board

The Article also went on to say that Dog Showing to-day, and I don't suppose it is any different for the Showing of Cavaliers,it is all about Strategy and Influence.

The Cavaliers just play a minor Part in this .

What is happening now ,according to the Article,is that many in the Show Scene have forgotten or simply do not care how Special Cavaliers are.

The Show Scene has now become Unhealthy and Addictive.

Surely the Bottom Line for the Showing of Dogs, Cavaliers included must be for only the Healthiest and Functional Dogs to be Winning.

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Kate H
10th September 2010, 01:26 PM
Bet wrote (or rather, quoted from an article): Some Brave souls even camp in all Weathers at Various Shows and also drive for Hours , what pleasure is this for the Cavaliers.

Speaking for myself, I quite often camp the night before an obedience show because, not having a car, I simply can't get there on time on the day itself by public transport. My Cavaliers LOVE camping, we do it for our annual holiday, and I've just bought a new tent so that we all have more room in wet weather. When it's pouring with rain, I'm glad I don't have to keep Oliver and Aled clean for a breed show - but then, most people camping at shows are in caravans or motor homes. There's nothing wrong with taking your Cavaliers camping, it's how you treat them while you're doing it (things like leaving them shut in cages in your car), which I suppose was behind the article's condemnation. Oliver and Aled also seem to have no problems with travelling for 3 or 4 hours by train and bus to get to shows - they enjoy all the fuss they get, or they just go to sleep.

Kate, Oliver and Aled

Davecav
10th September 2010, 04:54 PM
Hi there
We go camping with our cavaliers too, (not shows though)and they really really they love it, they can't get in the car quick enough when we get the camping gear out. It's a mad house. :lpy:

Kate, how do you get a tent + dogs by public transport? I find it hard enough lugging the tent from the garage to the car. (lol)

Kate H
10th September 2010, 07:29 PM
We seem to be getting off-thread, so I'll start a new thread on camping and tell you my secrets!

Kate, Oliver and Aled