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Clairelou
11th May 2011, 08:18 PM
http://www.ukplanning.com/carmarthenshire/findCaseFile.do?appType=planning+folder&appNumber=W%2F24449&action=Search

Please follow the link to register your objection, click on 'Comment on Application' photo's on 'Whole Doc / Thumbnails' of Planning Statement.

robbieswan
11th May 2011, 08:31 PM
Blimey ! that's a bit close to home..Swansea is only up the road!

Sandrac
12th May 2011, 10:13 AM
Done.

Brian M
12th May 2011, 10:59 AM
Hello Clairelou

Tks for posting ,objection and comment posted.:(

Kate H
12th May 2011, 11:33 AM
Heard about this a couple of days ago via my obedience forum and added my penny worth:

I have a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who was rescued from a Welsh puppy farm by the Many Tears Rescue in South Wales. When he came to us 2 years ago, Aled was 18 months old. He was a failed stud dog who had been handed over to the rescue. His teeth were rotten and had to be removed, and he had a severe infestation of earmites. He was not house trained and had never walked on a lead. He is frightened of loud noises and has no idea how to relate to other dogs; he does not know how to play with toys. When I first had him and lifted him onto my lap, he went rigid, expecting something nasty to be done to him; he is shy of human beings, which is unusual in a breed renowned for its friendliness. It is obvious that he had spent the first 18 months of his life shut in a kennel on his own.

The number of puppy farms (that is, commercial dog-breeding establishments with more than a manageable number of dogs) in Wales, and the encouragement given by national and local government to farmers and others to run them, is a blot on the good name of the Welsh nation. Do you really want to be known as the country that doesn't care about animal welfare but only money? There are other ways for farmers to diversify in order to make ends meet, but the Welsh authorities seem to be too lazy or too ignorant to explore and encourage them. Mass-produced puppies whose parents have not been health-checked will prove expensive and heartbreaking for those foolish enough to buy them. It is the stud dogs and brood bitches who are kept in isolation and inadequately housed, and whose health is wrecked by producing far too many litters, who are the real victims of puppy farms; look at the Many Tears website if you want to see what happens to them.

Carmarthen has an opportunity to lead the way in restoring the good name of Wales by refusing to allow this business to expand further. Please don't miss out.
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Far too subjective to make any difference, of course, but although Aled is blossoming, there are still aspects of his bad upbringing that will never be repaired, and that makes me very angry.

Kate, Oliver and Aled

Pwif
12th May 2011, 12:26 PM
Clairelou,

Thank you very much for giving us the information about the planning application for another puppy farm in Wales. I have noted my objection.

If we dog lovers all objected, surely we would be doing our bit to reduce the number of these abhorent places?

Anne

Wagtails
12th May 2011, 09:35 PM
Heard about this a couple of days ago via my obedience forum and added my penny worth:

I have a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who was rescued from a Welsh puppy farm by the Many Tears Rescue in South Wales..........

Far too subjective to make any difference, of course, but although Aled is blossoming, there are still aspects of his bad upbringing that will never be repaired, and that makes me very angry.

Kate, Oliver and Aled

Kate that is one of the most moving "penny worths" I have ever read. It is precisely your subjectivity that makes it so striking. I only hope I can think of something half so penetrating to say when I add my own "two penny worth". It makes me want to weep when I think of all those poor dogs kept in solitary confinement in puppy farms - we only get to see the ones who eventually escape.

Wagtails
12th May 2011, 09:40 PM
Clairelou - do you know if the Puppy Love Campaign people have been notified about this application - or indeed if the notification about it perhaps originally came from them?


May we crosspost this to other forums to try to get more objections?

Davecav
12th May 2011, 09:49 PM
My objections also added. This application is a retrospective one, as it sounds as if it has been operating as a 'dare I say' "Kennels" since April 2010!

So the cynic in me guesses that this will just be a paper exercise and will go through on the nod.!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Karlin
12th May 2011, 09:52 PM
Why are they referring to the caging of up to 180 dogs plus planning permission for more, as a 'kennelling' use? Surely that is a misnomer -- this is for commercial dog breeding. How their proposed 1.5 paid workers (yes, one full time, one half time) for such a facility is adequate is beyond me -- dog care at my friends' facility requires one full time person for every 10 dogs or so. How they plan to actually walk all those dogs on a regular basis, given then they note there are fields for walking dogs, with only 1.5 people to do this PLUS all the kennel care required for that many dogs, raises questions too.

BTW there are is proposed puppy farm legislation in Wales that would require a facility this large to have more like 15-30 full time employees to give care at a minimum level of acceptability. How do you adequately socialise puppies when mass breeding on this scale? (answer -- you don't, which is why so many puppy farm bred dogs have lifetime temperament, training and behaviour problems, many of them unresolvable and which lea to the dog being euthenised, or left at a pound).

Karlin
12th May 2011, 10:05 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11602721

Draft legislation:

http://wales.gov.uk/docs/drah/consultation/101022dogbreedingdraftregsen.pdf

Show breeders are now complaining that they shouldn't be inspected, especially if they 'only' have 20 breeding dogs on site. Anyone here who owns multiple dogs and is well aware of the time and management issues will wonder why anyone would consider 20 breeding dogs (and note, that doesn't include older retired breeding dogs or all the puppies also on the premises) NOT to be a commercial number of dogs entitled to a minimal level of legislated care.

Do not forget show breeders have been prosecuted on animal welfare grounds and the single biggest successful cruelty prosecution ever on dog welfare grounds in the UK was of a pair of cavalier breeders -- one now reinstated by one of the UK clubs as a judge. :sl*p: Ironic when you consider that show breeder protests are the main reason there is virtually no anti-puppy farm legislation anywhere in the world, because they always protest laws would restrict their activities. The only useful point they ever make in my view, is that if more inspectors were brought in under existing laws, the situation would improve -- but existing legislation everywhere is far too weak on the issue of breeding dogs, and still pretty much allows puppy farming (much less breeding with no health testing whatsoever). Show breeders are out marching on this Welsh legislation too.

The proposed Welsh legislation requires a full time attendant for every 20 dogs and parttime for every 10.

Clairelou
12th May 2011, 10:08 PM
Clairelou - do you know if the Puppy Love Campaign people have been notified about this application - or indeed if the notification about it perhaps originally came from them?


May we crosspost this to other forums to try to get more objections?

Hi Wagtails,

Noticed the link on a freinds facebook page, not sure if the Puppy Love Campaign people are aware.... I will notify them now.

Please do crosspost.

Davecav
12th May 2011, 10:25 PM
I find it all very sickening! I had also noticed that the staff number was 1.5 people, but hadn't noticed the number of caging up to 180 dogs.
I totally agree Karlin, though anyone would have to be a total numskull not to realise that this kind of staffing level is ridiculously inadequate!!!:mad::mad:

I still think the application will still go through, even if the Local Authority 'advise' they need more staff etc - the owner will just say Yes, then ignore it.

No amount of objecting to this kind of thing seems to make any difference,... it's so frustrating and I just get very angry about it all.!

Bet
13th May 2011, 11:07 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11602721

Draft legislation:

http://wales.gov.uk/docs/drah/consultation/101022dogbreedingdraftregsen.pdf

Show breeders are now complaining that they shouldn't be inspected, especially if they 'only' have 20 breeding dogs on site. Anyone here who owns multiple dogs and is well aware of the time and management issues will wonder why anyone would consider 20 breeding dogs (and note, that doesn't include older retired breeding dogs or all the puppies also on the premises) NOT to be a commercial number of dogs entitled to a minimal level of legislated care.

Do not forget show breeders have been prosecuted on animal welfare grounds and the single biggest successful cruelty prosecution ever on dog welfare grounds in the UK was of a pair of cavalier breeders -- one now reinstated by one of the UK clubs as a judge. :sl*p: Ironic when you consider that show breeder protests are the main reason there is virtually no anti-puppy farm legislation anywhere in the world, because they always protest laws would restrict their activities. The only useful point they ever make in my view, is that if more inspectors were brought in under existing laws, the situation would improve -- but existing legislation everywhere is far too weak on the issue of breeding dogs, and still pretty much allows puppy farming (much less breeding with no health testing whatsoever). Show breeders are out marching on this Welsh legislation too.

The proposed Welsh legislation requires a full time attendant for every 20 dogs and parttime for every 10.


ANOTHER PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR A PUPPY FARM IN CARMARTHENSHIRE

Could I just mention that before the Recent Election ,the Welsh Assembly had intended to approve New Dog Breeding Regulations ,but the Kennel Club here made their displeasure known about what those Regulations had to be.

The Regulations were to involve those Breeders who had 3 Breeding Bitches who Bred Two or more Litters a year ,and sold 10 Ten Puppies Annually.

The Kennel Club's objection was that Hobby Breeders would be over-regulated.

What is a Hobby Breeder , what is a Commercial Breeder,if a Breeder has 5 Breeding Bitches and has 4 Litters Annually , is that not a Commercial Breeding Industry.

This Bill has fallen by the way -side , because of the change of Government in the Welsh Assembly.

Bet

Wagtails
13th May 2011, 04:31 PM
Hi Wagtails,

Noticed the link on a freinds facebook page, not sure if the Puppy Love Campaign people are aware.... I will notify them now.

Please do crosspost.

OK - I'll crosspost to various Welsh rescues where I belong to Forums and leave you to notify Puppy Love. For anyone who doesn't know this campaign, you can find details on

http://www.puppylovecampaigns.org/index.shtml

merello
14th May 2011, 09:39 AM
Marie Anne, thanks for the link to the puppy love campaign. I've posted it on my Facebook and asked others to pass it on.