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Charlotte
12th May 2011, 12:49 PM
Charlie had a fit this morning, i didn't actually see it but my mum and brother did. He'd just got out of bed and he was stretching like he always does and then he sort of rolled over and starting shaking and screaming and then afterwards he was really quite and he wouldn't move, also he wet himself.
We took him to the vets and they said it could be epilepsy or maybe a brain tumour, they took his blood and there gonna let us know the results.
He has been having partial fits where he just shakes a little and stares but they only last a couple of seconds but he's never had anything like he had today.

GraciesMom
12th May 2011, 12:55 PM
I hope they find out what is wrong and can help poor Charlie. I have no idea but some type of seizure sounds possible. Please keep us posted :hug:

sins
12th May 2011, 01:20 PM
I think it's worth having an Mri scan done to rule out SM.
Normally I would suggest this as a last resort but it seems very similar to how Daisy used to be before medication.
A morning stretch on the decking would result in a yelp and the full roll on the ground screaming is very alarming for anyone who has to witness this.Try and record it if possible to show the vet.
Sins

Tania
12th May 2011, 03:09 PM
Hi Charlotte, which specialist is Charlie under for his heart? It would be a good idea to see a neurologist, who will initially perform a clinical examination. Dr. Clare Rusbridge in my opinion is the best and she is not far from you. If you need any help with tranport or anything let me know, I do not live far from you.

Rubysmum
12th May 2011, 03:36 PM
no advice just want to say good luck and hope its nothing serious :xfngr:

meljoy
12th May 2011, 05:17 PM
So sorry to read this:(
Here's wishing you find out what caused it and get it treated ASAP

Bet
12th May 2011, 05:51 PM
Charlie had a fit this morning, i didn't actually see it but my mum and brother did. He'd just got out of bed and he was stretching like he always does and then he sort of rolled over and starting shaking and screaming and then afterwards he was really quite and he wouldn't move, also he wet himself.
We took him to the vets and they said it could be epilepsy or maybe a brain tumour, they took his blood and there gonna let us know the results.
He has been having partial fits where he just shakes a little and stares but they only last a couple of seconds but he's never had anything like he had today.


CHARLIE HAD A FIT


Charlotte,

As the others have suggested ,maybe you should have a MRI Scan done on Charlie.

Our Becky had Epileptic Fits, she would lie on her side ,have what you could see was like Paddling motions with her legs, and her Eyes would be Flickering all over the Place and yes she did pass water.

Did'nt know us but never screamed.

Hope all goes well for Charlie.

Bet

*Pauline*
12th May 2011, 06:21 PM
I'm so sorry, how scary for you. I hope you can get the seizures under control with maybe gabapentin. Does anyone know if they used that for dogs epilepsy?

robbieswan
12th May 2011, 06:23 PM
Please keep us posted...I wish all the best !

BrooklynMom
12th May 2011, 10:46 PM
Just wanted to say that I am thinking of you! Let us know how the vet went. I have no good medical advice like the other, but just wanted to send our hugs :hug:

Karlin
12th May 2011, 11:04 PM
On gabapentin -- it is not used for epilepsy in cavaliers. generally the usual drug is phenobarbitol, or bromide or diazepam or some mix.

Some dogs may only ever fit once or twice or not enough to need a regular medication. Often something is just given during a seizure.

Perhaps to consider are conditions like episodic falling or syringomyelia, though it is uncertain if fits are connected directly to SM. If diagnosis is uncertain or you want to talk to a neurologist I would definitely recommend Clare Rusbridge. I don;t know how often epileptic dogs would scream -- to me that would possibly indicate something with pain like SM, and not an actual fit but a serious pain episode. These can be confused with fits. If it happens again try to get it on video, as hard as that may be -- it will likely help with a diagnosis. Though your vet will surely try blood tests for epilepsy and other elimination tests for various things.

That staring and shaking head is actually common in cavaliers and seems to usually be harmless. I know several neurologists have noted this now. So it may or may not be connected. Or the shaking and the rest could be vestibular disease -- though don't think that is usually connected to screaming fits though it can appear to be like a stroke has affected the dog.

Please let us know if you learn more. :flwr:

Jasper and Holly
13th May 2011, 04:14 AM
Hope Charlie is ok keep us posted.

StillPooh
13th May 2011, 02:09 PM
How old is Charlie? The description of the event sounds very much like Clancy's grand mal epileptic seizures, except Clancy doesn't vocalize. He did in the first year, if he seized while awake, though. He is now on potassium bromide and zonisamide.

You may need an MRI to rule out things like a brain tumor, since it sounds like he was having smaller seizures before and now they are progressing. :hug:

Blondiemonster
13th May 2011, 02:22 PM
Sorry to read this. Hope you get it sorted really quick.. It hurts so much to see our dogs in distress.

Nicki
13th May 2011, 03:06 PM
Sorry to hear this Charlotte, there is more info about epilepsy here
http://www.cavaliertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?8775-Epilepsy&highlight=epilepsy


I do hope Charlie will be ok

Wagtails
13th May 2011, 03:44 PM
Keeping everything crossed for Charlie here too. Do hope your vet can get to the bottom of the problem speedily and Charlie will soon be feeling better.

Do let us know how you are both getting on http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv97/Cavviewagtails/Animations/Heartblowingpoog.gif

ByFloSin
13th May 2011, 10:46 PM
I'm so sorry, how scary for you. I hope you can get the seizures under control with maybe gabapentin. Does anyone know if they used that for dogs epilepsy?

Yes it is often the preferred treatment for epilepsy in both humans and dogs. Little Joe was seen at Bristol University Vet School as a puppy for his fits. Gabapentin was considered but the eventual decision went against it because he was so young.

The fits were stress related, but a MRI scan was done to check for any brain damage or abnormality.

Fingers crossed that Charlie will be okay. Sometimes a virus can cause fits, but a simple blood test can diagnose this.

Karlin
13th May 2011, 11:51 PM
That's interesting, Flo; I haven't ever come across vets prescribing it for that use, and it isn't actually listed on various dog epilepsy sites so maybe it is quite new in that use for dogs or maybe limited to specialists or vets with a strong interest in the area (as it still isn't licensed for vet use). I had wondered. Several of my vets at different practices certainly had never heard of the drug until I asked for prescriptions for SM. I know it was initially used for fits in humans though. Al the dogs I know with epilepsy are on phenobarbitol or just have tablets to use if they seize rather than daily medication (which can kind of zone some of them out).

Karlin
13th May 2011, 11:57 PM
Hmmm I see it is listed as one of the newer trial drugs for epilepsy, but without many studies looking at its use yet in dogs:

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/overview.html

Main problem seems to be cost especially for large dogs. Interestingly another site pointed out it needed to be taken three times daily to maintain serum levels in blood -- which suggests again that three times daily is the best option for SM as well. I see also that the symptoms do include screams for moderate level seizures.

mommytoClaire
14th May 2011, 02:06 AM
Saying a prayer for Charlie, and hoping it's simple.

I had a dog years ago that was epileptic. Her seizures were so infrequent that she was never on meds. She always knew when they were coming and would come and sit at my feet and lick her chops (lips, if you picture a dog with lips). I would take her somewhere with a tile floor, and lay down a towel and talk gently to her till it was over, also, helping her so she didn't injure herself. Sometimes she would soil herself, other times she would not.

Keeping you both in thought and prayer.

Charlotte
19th May 2011, 02:40 PM
He had a blood test and everything came back fine, and he hasn't had any more seizures since the last one, we're going to the vets soon so we'll see what he has to say.

And thanks for all your replies :)

Desrae
19th May 2011, 10:51 PM
Tiz good news. Pray he doesn't have anything like that again, maybe it was just a one off, sometimes that happens to people too.
:hug:

StillPooh
19th May 2011, 11:15 PM
Except epilepsy won't cause any changes on blood work.

Pat
20th May 2011, 01:35 AM
Except epilepsy won't cause any changes on blood work.

That is correct - idiopathic epilepsy is a disease of exclusion - you rule out everything else and end up with the diagnosis if the seizures continue. So all tests are basically normal - including blood chemistry.

Pat