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Ruby2011
14th September 2011, 01:32 PM
Hi Guys,
I am new here but could you please help & advise me. This past Sunday I became the mum of a 10 week Cavalier named Ruby. The problem is she is very small & skinny. I am hoping you more experience Cavalier lovers can advise me on how to build this little darling up???Ive heard about Satin Balls but because she is only 10 weeks I think she is too young to eat these...Maybe???
She was the runt of the litter & shows visible signs of this but she is very active & happy out. She just appears skinny & frail & her coat is not the best either. She is currently eating Kasco nuts (which she was eating before I recieved her) & I have been mixing them with soup to boost the protein.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Ruby 2011

Desrae
14th September 2011, 03:59 PM
icon_welcomeHi there and you're very welcome to Cavaliertalk! I'm not sure if you got the chance to look at the site, but there is a section in the Health and Diet that may be of help to you. You can find it by clicking here: http://www.cavaliertalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?43-General-cavalier-health-and-diet-forum

Don't worry about if she is a bit skinny, my Belle was the same way and now she's 'pleasantly plump', which is a bigger worry than being skinny. Have you wormed your puppy yet? Puppies need to be wormed, that may cause her to be a bit thin. Just keep giving her the food at regular meal times. I am sure someone else with more advice will come along shortly. Good Luck!

Ruby2011
14th September 2011, 06:50 PM
Thanks Desrae, I have not really had the chance to look around the site for help. Yes she was wormed on Sunday before I picked her up.Thanks Again:D:D

sins
14th September 2011, 08:27 PM
I wouldn't worry too much at this stage.If she's eating what you place in front of her and is lively and playful and behaving normally,then it may be just a matter of time.Maybe try her with a little scrambled egg as a treat?
If you haven't done so already,I'd book a check up with the vet and have her given an initial check up and schedule vaccine appointments.It's best to use only veterinary wormers as opposed to supermarket ones.
The vet can give you assurance that you have a normal thriving puppy.
Sometimes a leggy cavalier can appear thinner,it depends on their build really.You see some skinny framed puppies and other plump chunky ones.
My first cavalier didn't really fill out until after her first season at 8 months, goodness,she was always so scrawny but turned out well in the end!
Welcome to the forum and feel free to post some photos,we adore new puppy pics.
Sins

Ruby2011
15th September 2011, 07:18 PM
Thanks Sins,
I spoke to my vet today & he advised putting her on Mother & Puppy food to help build her up a bit. She already has her first vacine but he told me today to hold off giving her the second for another 3 to 4 weeks, just to keep her indoors & she will be fine until then. I dont mind doing that at all. He believes that giving her the booster vacine now when she is so thin could do her more harm than good, that her poor little body may not be strong enough for it.
Im sure in a few more weeks I wll be putting her on a diet, this puppy can eat for Ireland haha...

Thanks for all your good advice.

Ruby2011

Karlin
18th September 2011, 11:16 AM
I've moved this thread as it was originally posted into the section on questions about how the board works.

On the vaccines -- Your vet will have to start her entire puppy series again I think -- you cannot wait a month+ between core vaccines so will guess the series will begin again. Til then be sure as your vet rightly advises, not to take her outside on walks and be very careful about exposing her to other dogs indoors as well as they can track in distemper and parvo. :thmbsup: If she can meet some other dogs this would be helpful as otherwise she will miss a critical phase of socialisation.

It is frustrating when breeders home puppies that are not robust and healthy (she should not have been homed in a state where she was so skinny that a vet would be concerned about giving routine boosters) but sadly that is often the case particularly in Ireland where health is almost an unknown concern for 99% of breeders and the country remains the puppy farm capitol of Europe. :x

I hope she quickly gains weight and gets safely on her way. :flwr:

Ruby2011
19th September 2011, 11:33 AM
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It is frustrating when breeders home puppies that are not robust and healthy (she should not have been homed in a state where she was so skinny that a vet would be concerned about giving routine boosters) but sadly that is often the case particularly in Ireland where health is almost an unknown concern for 99% of breeders and the country remains the puppy farm capitol of Europe. :x

I hope she quickly gains weight and gets safely on her way. :flwr:

Hi Karlin,

I have to say I am offended by your comment. I would never have any dealings with a puppy farm in Ireland or anywhere else on the planet.

I chose to take Ruby on to give her a good shot at life. All I asked for was advice on how to build her up. Ruby was breed by a friend of mine who sat under her day & night when it became obivious that she was being neglected by the mum & litter. My friend feed this poor little might so that she would survive. Ruby was then passed on to me knowing I would give her the extra attention that she required. There was no money exchanged, just one loving home to another loving home.

If the vaccines need to start all over again then that is how it is to be. I will do what I & my vet think are the best options for Ruby.

UPDATE: Ruby is filling out nicely. Her spine is no longer as visible as it was last Sunday when she came home for the first time. Her coat is starting to shine & grow. She is well able to run & play now. Its amazing how far she has come in a short week.

Thanks for all your advise on helping to give this poor little might the best chance for a great life

Ruby2011

ByFloSin
19th September 2011, 12:06 PM
Hi Ruby.


I am so glad that your pup is now doing so well after only a week with you. Many years ago I took on a little rescue pup who weighed half of what would be expected of a pup at 12 weeks, but who thrived once the vet and I worked out what her special needs were and put her on a good diet. She repaid me a thousand times over by living to 15 years and bearing 4 litters of beautiful pups.

These underweight pups deserve every bit of love and extra attention we can lavish on them and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the work you are putting in now. Well done. We will all look forward to pictures to record puppy's progress over these next important months.:)

BrooklynMom
19th September 2011, 12:21 PM
Good to hear that she is starting to bulk up a bit! I would love to see pictures to :)

Ruby2011
19th September 2011, 12:31 PM
Hi Flo
Thank you or the warm words of encouragmet but theres no thanks neccessary. Ruby is a beautiful little thing & Im 100% positive that she will turn into a fab dog.
I have to say that the mother & puppy nuts appear to be doing most of the work :D I am feeding her as much as she wants at the moment.

My Basset Hound Daisy has adopted her asone of her own & I think that has helped in a big way also.

I knit her a little blanket with sleeves on Friday so she is warm & has stopped shriverng/ I am not a person that puts clothes on a dog (barr a rain jacket while walking in the rain but thats so there is no smell of wet doggy in the house haha) but shes so small that I had to do something to keep her warm. I guess because shes so thin she feels the cold that little bit more.

I will be posting a picture of little Ruby soon

Thanks
Ruby2011

mommytoClaire
22nd September 2011, 01:51 AM
Bless you for taking on this tiny little one. Sounds like she will have a wonderful home. Looking forward to seeing pictures.

Ruby2011
22nd September 2011, 09:48 AM
Hi All

Off to the vet again this afternoon... Poor little girl has blood & mucas in her stools, hopefully nothing serious... Ive been told it may just be tape worm....

Fingers crossed that she may now be strong enough to give her the second round of vaccines. :o

BrooklynMom
22nd September 2011, 11:01 AM
Oh no...I will be thinking of you!!! Please give us an update when you get back from the vet.
Hugs to little Ruby.

GraciesMom
22nd September 2011, 02:14 PM
She may have picked up colitis from ingesting something she shouldn't... Gracie was a professional at that when she was a puppy. Keep us posted. We ran across a young female Cavalier a few months ago that was the only survivor of a bad birth... she was VERY tiny and was handfed for WEEKS! We actually inquired about taking her but the breeder fell in love with "Bitsy" and could not part with her. She had a bent leg that will need some surgery later on but she could get around faster than Gracie!!

I do think you point out how important it is for us not to leap to conclusions about people's circumstances here on the board. Easy to get jaded from the many stories of bad breeding situations.

I will be rooting for Ruby and for you.

mommytoClaire
22nd September 2011, 05:51 PM
Saying a prayer for your little girl. If love could heal, I am sure she will get well, as it's obvious how much you adore her.

Let us know the moment you know anything.

Ruby2011
23rd September 2011, 06:38 PM
Hi All
Took Ruby to the vet yesterday as I said I would. The vet very pleased with the way she is coming along. As Karlin predicted the vacinatines have to be started again so she was given her first round again yesterday with the booster to follow mid October :jmp2:


The vet believes she has a burst capillary in her bum & thats where the blood is coming from... He figures that the Mum & Puppy food is probably a bit strong for her little system & she may have got constipated from it & burst a capillary (Sorry but there really is not a nice way to explain this). However he feels for the time being we should keep her on the mum & puppy just to build her up a bit more.


Poor little might yelped something terrible when she was vacinated & when I picked her up to sit on the sofa last night she yelped again... She was really sore but is back to hr normal bouncy self today haha


So at last little Ruby appears to be turning a corner & coming along at last....


Thank you all again for your messages of support for Ruby... You are all so kind :-)

Ruby2011
23rd September 2011, 06:46 PM
Graciesmom

Your right we do jump to conclusions... With soooo many horror storys about breeders & bad handlers out there.... But have we noticed, we never hear the good storys???? We just forget that there are responsible breeders out there & there are genuine dog lovers out there too...Just like all of us...

But hey, maybe its time we broke the mould & share the good doggie storys we hear & let Karma or God orThe Universe or whoever deal with the bad ones....

Ruby2011:cool:

GraciesMom
23rd September 2011, 07:56 PM
We do need more good news so that we do not lose heart and feel it is hopeless! I was so thrilled to find a great breeder who has been doing four generations of MRI scans as well as the other vital health tests. This should be celebrated!! She has had four generations of breeding dogs without CM!!! I would like to give her some kind of award that everyone in the world would know about... as a way to show that it CAN be done. Then maybe others would follow in her footsteps. I do salute those pressing hard for more health testing and making more of them mandatory, but in the meantime, we can't forget all the good people out there doing their best.

Hope that wee Ruby is on the mend soon!!


Graciesmom

Your right we do jump to conclusions... With soooo many horror storys about breeders & bad handlers out there.... But have we noticed, we never hear the good storys???? We just forget that there are responsible breeders out there & there are genuine dog lovers out there too...Just like all of us...

But hey, maybe its time we broke the mould & share the good doggie storys we hear & let Karma or God orThe Universe or whoever deal with the bad ones....

Ruby2011:cool:

mommytoClaire
26th September 2011, 04:19 AM
Oh, I'm anxious to hear more about your little button. And maybe a picture, she sounds like a dolly. Claire cried at one of her vaccinations and was sore the first day, but was like your Ruby, and back to herself within a day. I think the tiny ones feel it more.

Do keep us up on how she is doing,

Ruby2011
26th September 2011, 04:01 PM
Hi All

I have put a few pictures up on my profile so yee can ave a look at my little baby. Sorry it took so long but it was hard to get her to stay still to take the pics, she really is full of life these days, thank god...

I guess she is coming along great as I had to loosen her collar last night. Fingers crossed it continues.

Thanks again for all your warm wishes & helpful advise.

Yee are all heros to me & Ruby

Karlin
26th September 2011, 06:25 PM
she has had four generations of breeding dogs without CM!!

What?! Then she is a miracle breeder -- and none of the researchers know about her and these very extraordinary results.

I would seriously question what you are being told. And I would wonder if she would send her reports to Clare Rusbridge or Dr Marino for a second opinion. I do not think a neuro familiar with grading for CM is looking at these scans.

Maybe there was some confusion about what she was saying.

Even the breeder I know of who has had some of the few CM free dogs in her lines does not have anything like four full generations of all clear puppies for CM much less SM and I don't know anyone who would risk making such a claim about a gradual onset disease.

Karlin
26th September 2011, 07:22 PM
Just realised who this is -- she has been public about these results -- these were SM clear not CM clear and not full generations, but parents and a single line (eg sequence of four dogs). :thmbsup: That would be a lot more common. Very welcome results for a set of dogs though and great news for the breeder! The breeder was not the breeder or owner of all four generations as I recall though.

It is very important to understand the semantics of what is being claimed however -- this is not breeding four generations of SM (or CM) free dogs, but a single dog that had three immediate single predecessors scan SM free -- at the time of the scan of course; they'd need to have been rescanned at more relevant older ages to continue to say they are SM free dogs or an SM free line (as I don't think anyone seriously scanning has risked such a big claim as an SM free line). These results were mentioned in one of the research newsletters a few years back as a nice positive result; other scanning breeders have had similar results. :)

GraciesMom
26th September 2011, 08:55 PM
Not surprised you would figure out who I was talking about without asking... you know them all personally I would think and probably have talked to them at length. I would be thrilled with either result, but I do know several in the lineage are also CM clear, not just SM clear. And no... she is not making any promises at all...except that she has done her best, certainly better than most to stack the deck in a positive way.


Just realised who this is -- she has been public about these results -- these were SM clear not CM clear and not full generations, but parents and a single line (eg sequence of four dogs). :thmbsup: That would be a lot more common. Very welcome results for a set of dogs though and great news for the breeder! The breeder was not the breeder or owner of all four generations as I recall though.

It is very important to understand the semantics of what is being claimed however -- this is not breeding four generations of SM (or CM) free dogs, but a single dog that had three immediate single predecessors scan SM free -- at the time of the scan of course; they'd need to have been rescanned at more relevant older ages to continue to say they are SM free dogs or an SM free line (as I don't think anyone seriously scanning has risked such a big claim as an SM free line). These results were mentioned in one of the research newsletters a few years back as a nice positive result; other scanning breeders have had similar results. :)

BrooklynMom
26th September 2011, 10:46 PM
Hi All

I have put a few pictures up on my profile so yee can ave a look at my little baby. Sorry it took so long but it was hard to get her to stay still to take the pics, she really is full of life these days, thank god...

I guess she is coming along great as I had to loosen her collar last night. Fingers crossed it continues.

Thanks again for all your warm wishes & helpful advise.

Yee are all heros to me & Ruby

Oh my gosh Ruby is SO CUTE!!! What a tiny little thing...I am glad she seems to be upping the energy and growing a bit, wonderful to hear. This picture is my absolute favourite, I love how you put the toy there for perspective!! (I hope you don't mind that I posted this on the thread from your profile page...more people might see it this way and it was too cute not to spread!)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6159/6186390899_68ac218385.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32200327@N02/6186390899/)
Ruby (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32200327@N02/6186390899/) by kelseykakes5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32200327@N02/), on Flickr

Karlin
27th September 2011, 01:29 AM
I would wonder who is doing the readings on the scans -- not anyone involved with research, it would seem, as none of these dogs and their scans/DNA are part of the ongoing research and I know key researchers in the US, Canada and UK are totally unaware that anyone in the US has bred verified clear dogs. This seems... odd.

To date with worldwide research I am aware of fewer than 6 CM clear dogs. None are in the US. If it is true they are CM clear this would be enormously important!! Yet this person would be very well aware this is the case and know of the critical research projects that would need these scans and DNA. :confused:

To have the scans used for research would require a second opinion from one of the leading researchers very familiar with CM, on the CM clear diagnosis.

mommytoClaire
27th September 2011, 02:53 AM
I am totally in love! She reminds me of my Claire. I adore the little sweater! Where in the world did you get that? Some day, I have to try to get my pictures off my desktop and put some here of Claire when she was 10 weeks. Seriously, side by side they are so similar, except Claire has some white.

Give her a gentle squeeze for me. I think you are doing a brilliant job.

Just for information purposes, my Vet thought Claire might not be bigger than 9-10 lbs. But she is just shy of 12, and I do keep her thin. So sometimes the tiny ones still turn out a decent size. You just can never know.

I'll have to go look, I don't remember if you said how old she is in the picture.

More pictures please!

anniemac
27th September 2011, 02:15 PM
Oh my gosh Ruby is SO CUTE!!! What a tiny little thing...I am glad she seems to be upping the energy and growing a bit, wonderful to hear. This picture is my absolute favourite, I love how you put the toy there for perspective!! (I hope you don't mind that I posted this on the thread from your profile page...more people might see it this way and it was too cute not to spread!)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6159/6186390899_68ac218385.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32200327@N02/6186390899/)

So cute!!
Ruby (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32200327@N02/6186390899/) by kelseykakes5 (http://www.flickr.com/people/32200327@N02/), on Flickr

This is so cute!

anniemac
27th September 2011, 03:12 PM
I would like to give her some kind of award that everyone in the world would know about... as a way to show that it CAN be done. Then maybe others would follow in her footsteps. I do salute those pressing hard for more health testing and making more of them mandatory, but in the meantime, we can't forget all the good people out there doing their best.



I think its wonderful and important to focus on the positives. One breeder told me that the "reward" or what keeps them going is the puppies and being able to give them good homes. There are several dedicated breeders that have been scanning and providing results to researchers and sharing information with one another. It is not a one person effort. I know some have been scanning since before 2005 so if you think about it, now they have several results and history. Now those same ones would be over 6 years old so would be great to contribute to research. Many have and have received good results.

Ruby2011
27th September 2011, 03:47 PM
Hi All

Ruby is 12 weeks today & yee are all right see is soooo cute, she has the sweetest little bark... Thanks for sharing the picture for me I have not got the hang of this yet... What you see behind her is her favourite snoozing place. Its a shelf under my coffee table where my son stores his snuggy (blanket with sleeves) She likes to climb in there during the day for a snooze.

The sweater I knit myself, its just a blanket with sleeves. The first day she came home she was shivering, she was so thin she was cold all thetime, so I took my wool out & ran it up for her. It did the trick, kept her nice& warm. The shivering has stopped now though so the snuggie is no longer needed.
(I am not a fan of dressing doggies up being honest, except for a rain jacket when its wet outside but that because im not a fan of wet dog smell haha)

mommytoClaire
28th September 2011, 11:46 PM
Aww, Ruby, happy week birthday! She is like a little wind up doll!

When you took her for shots, did the Vet say how much she is weighing? I just know you'll do a brilliant job with her. She probably needed the sweater until you could put some meat in her little bones.

I want more pictures! How is she doing eating now?

mommytoClaire
17th October 2011, 11:05 PM
Was hoping for an update in that sweet little Ruby, she is so darn cute.

BrooklynMom
18th October 2011, 02:22 AM
Oh yes, me too...would love an update!

Ruby2011
10th November 2011, 10:01 PM
Hi All

Just an update on little Ruby.

Ruby has developed into a wonderful, happy, lively puppy with all the mischief that brings with it. She has filled out beautifully & has been moved from the high protein mother & puppy food to puppy food. Both myself & the vet are both very happy with her progress.

Her coat has really come on in the past few weeks but it still needs a bit more help in that department.She still likes to sleep a lot & she snores loud enough for any man to be proud of.:D

I will be posting some pics in the next day or 2 if I can get her to sit still long enough to take some.

Thank you all for your kind support in Ruby's hour of need. You have no idea how happy we were to receive it

Hugs
Simone & Ruby

ByFloSin
11th November 2011, 08:11 AM
Thank you so much for the update. You have helped me start my day with a smile. You go little Ruby cl*p

mommytoClaire
14th November 2011, 03:50 AM
Thank you so very much Simone. Little Ruby stole a little piece of my heart. I am like Flo, and thank you for making me smile. I look forward to the pictures.

BrooklynMom
14th November 2011, 04:58 AM
Oh thanks so much for that update!!! I was just thinking of little Ruby, I cannot wait to see some new pics.

And like others, am so happy that she is coming along! You must be one good mama to her, she is very lucky.

mommytoClaire
18th November 2011, 02:33 AM
I really am trying to be patient about the pictures, but have been told patience isn't MY virtue, lol!