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Blueroses
22nd September 2011, 11:36 AM
As the title states really. Alfie is 23 weeks old and my vet said 6 months, but also added that some wait until 9 months ( I think for anaesthetic reasons but Im not totally sure )

Thank you

Diana

denali
22nd September 2011, 11:41 AM
We got Kokoda done at 6 months because he was starting to mark absolutely EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE!
and we couldn't stand it any longer.
We did wait until our old cav was about 8 months i think, if i remember correctly, but i didn't find that it made a difference at all in any way waiting until he was older.

Hope that helps a bit :)

Blueroses
22nd September 2011, 01:23 PM
Ah thank you Denali, yes very helpful :thmbsup:

gamefanz
22nd September 2011, 01:45 PM
Thank you for bringing up this question. I am interested in the answers!

Becky

gamefanz
22nd September 2011, 01:55 PM
Did this stop Kokoda from Marking again? Did you notice a difference between the 2 dogs with the growth of their legs? 1 dog has longer legs than the other?

Becky




We got Kokoda done at 6 months because he was starting to mark absolutely EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE!
and we couldn't stand it any longer.
We did wait until our old cav was about 8 months i think, if i remember correctly, but i didn't find that it made a difference at all in any way waiting until he was older.

Hope that helps a bit :)

Davecav
22nd September 2011, 02:14 PM
As the title states really. Alfie is 23 weeks old and my vet said 6 months, but also added that some wait until 9 months ( I think for anaesthetic reasons but Im not totally sure )

Thank you

Diana

I would try and wait until about a year old if possible. Letting a dog or bitch mature before having them neutered is thought to be far more benefitial, as I think having them done too soon can be detrimental to their natural development.

Vets always want to chop bits off dogs as soon as they can get their scalpuls near them!:-X It's money for old rope (or something like that!)

Blueroses
22nd September 2011, 02:21 PM
I would try and wait until about a year old if possible. Letting a dog or bitch mature before having them neutered is thought to be far more benefitial, as I think having them done too soon can be detrimental to their natural development.

Vets always want to chop bits off dogs as soon as they can get their scalpuls near them!:-X It's money for old rope (or something like that!)

Thank you Davecav

I take what you are saying but I cant see they get any more money out of it at 12 months old to younger ? They can only do it once lol
In what way detrimental to development ?

ashleighelizabeth
22nd September 2011, 03:30 PM
Great post! I also have been wondering this. I have heard vets say between 5 -6 months, but then a lot of stuff I have read says to wait so they can complete their growth process.

pkt89
22nd September 2011, 05:49 PM
Mine was done at 11 months old. I read that we should let the dog mature otherwise it will affect dog development.

Zumie05
22nd September 2011, 06:21 PM
I like to see males of any breed of dog neutered after they are done growing, so around 12 - 18 months old, sometimes up to 2 years old. Now this is only if you have the time and patience to deal with raging teenage male hormones! A lot will lift their leg, want to hump things, and may go crazy if they smell a female in season even from miles away. Some males are absolutely laid back...just depends on the individual. The most important thing is to be responsible with your in tact dog! If you worry about that then get the dog neutered earlier, 6 months is the earliest I would ever spay or neuter a dog.

Zumie05
22nd September 2011, 06:26 PM
Great post! I also have been wondering this. I have heard vets say between 5 -6 months, but then a lot of stuff I have read says to wait so they can complete their growth process.

I believe most vets will push for the earlier spay or neuter to prevent unwanted/unnecessary litters. I would rather see a dog spayed at 5 months old than see a dog have a litter at 12 months old.

Blueroses
22nd September 2011, 06:36 PM
Thank you all for the replies so far. I was hoping for a lively discussion on this subject, and we are getting some good and varied opinions :)

Mindysmom
22nd September 2011, 06:51 PM
I had Max neutered at six months old and Rylie at just over a year. I did a lot of research in between and decided that since I also wanted to do agility with Rylie it would be far better to let him finish growing. I've never seen any research showing that there are any health benefits to neutering a male early. To be perfectly honest I struggled with getting Rylie neutered at all. The reason that tipped my decision is that I would like to get a little girl someday and I don't want to worry about getting him neutered as an older dog.

As far as marking - Max started marking at 10 months old (4 months after being neutered) - Rylie maybe a month or two earlier. Both of them have marked in the house once. Max in a room he doesn't usually have access to and Rylie marked on my poor Mindy:(.

Max would mark every blade of grass and tree outside if I would allow it but when we are on walks I don't tend to allow very much of it. Rylie will mark occasionally but not nearly as much as Max. Both dogs pee like girls so there is a definite difference between when they are urinating and when they are trying to mark.

Max is far taller than both his parents and grandparents. Some would say that is because of the early neuter but who really knows for sure? I would probably never again neuter a dog younger than 12 months. I understand in theory why the shelters neuter puppies before they are homed but honestly the ones around here are VERY VERY selective about who gets dogs so I think with all the other tests people have to pass to get a shelter dog that surely they should be considered responsible enough to either neuter at an appropriate age or make sure their dog does not reproduce.

gamefanz
22nd September 2011, 08:24 PM
So asking a question:
Toby just turned 5 months old yesterday. He started sniffing butts when Bella the female came to our home this past weekend. At the puppy social he did the same thing. Last night on a visit to my daughters home, he smelled Bella on her carpet (her friend and Bella visited her home) and he marked the dining room floor for the first time in his life. He has not tried humping another dog yet. He has only done that to a Toy that he gets angry with.
Knowing all of this would you opt to neuter at 6-8 months or wait even longer? I do not take to these habits well. I am very much a clean freak and telling you the truth it is embarrassing to me. I apologized several times to my daughter. We went to buy urine smell removal right after it happened. I hope he does not do this again or he cannot visit her until he quits!
Becky

Davecav
22nd September 2011, 08:45 PM
Please see attached - it makes very interesting reading, and not very nice reading in parts, where pups as young as 6wks are neutered!!!
Towards the end of the article the writer deals with a dog's inability to mature properly if neutered too early + the likelihood of further growth as in human eunochs of the past.

http://www.doglistener.co.uk/medical/neuter.shtml

Zumie05
22nd September 2011, 10:05 PM
So asking a question:
Knowing all of this would you opt to neuter at 6-8 months or wait even longer?

If you can manage I would wait. Hormones are a funny thing in young dogs and makes them act different, but Toby is so young that behaviors can be trained. Marking outside is fine, marking inside is not. During this time keep him under strict supervision, as if you are potty training him all over again. He knows not to potty inside, but he does not know not to mark inside. Training for no marking is the same for potty training.

Really though, even if you did neuter him at 6 months old, there is NO guarantee that he will not mark anymore. It is 80% training and 20% hormones! (Pulled those numbers randomly out of my head, not an actual fact loll).

sunshinekisses
22nd September 2011, 10:15 PM
There is research that suggest you should wait for the dog to mature before a spay/neuter. However, I have neutered all my pet dogs at age 8-9 months. I just don't like going through the boy hormonal stage.

denali
22nd September 2011, 10:28 PM
So asking a question:
Toby just turned 5 months old yesterday. He started sniffing butts when Bella the female came to our home this past weekend. At the puppy social he did the same thing. Last night on a visit to my daughters home, he smelled Bella on her carpet (her friend and Bella visited her home) and he marked the dining room floor for the first time in his life. He has not tried humping another dog yet. He has only done that to a Toy that he gets angry with.
Knowing all of this would you opt to neuter at 6-8 months or wait even longer? I do not take to these habits well. I am very much a clean freak and telling you the truth it is embarrassing to me. I apologized several times to my daughter. We went to buy urine smell removal right after it happened. I hope he does not do this again or he cannot visit her until he quits!
Becky

Vinegar is a GREAT smell removal thing. You just mix it with water in a little spray bottle and spray it on. You can add a bit of lemon juice if you want to stop it smelling like vinegar. I think it is 1 part vinegar to 5 parts water and a few drops of lemon. It works really well!

denali
22nd September 2011, 10:34 PM
He did stop marking places where he WASN'T meant to, but it didn't stop him completely.
He will still do it out on walks and in the backyard, but he does it much less then before as well.

And in regards to the growth, they have legs the same length, but Anzac was a bit larger overall.
He had a wider build, and I am not sure if that is related to anything or if it is just their genes.



Did this stop Kokoda from Marking again? Did you notice a difference between the 2 dogs with the growth of their legs? 1 dog has longer legs than the other?

Becky


I read someones post saying that they waited so they could perform in agility?
I found that Kokoda is MUCH more willing to jump than my other dog whom i waited for.
I am actually waiting until Kokoda is 18 mos. old because the local agility club (B.A.D how cool is that!)
only trains dogs older than 18 months, and i think they have to be desexed.

Blueroses
22nd September 2011, 10:40 PM
This is a really useful discussion, thank you

Soushiruiuma
22nd September 2011, 11:04 PM
I had Guinness done at 1 year. I felt it was better for his overall health (bone structure especially). He really didn't do most of the male behavior, although his his eeyore toy got humped a lot. Neutering stopped that behavior.

Thistle is 10 months old and has finished 1 heat. I'll get her spayed at 1 year old as well.

gamefanz
22nd September 2011, 11:05 PM
Thank you so much for all the info. This is very helpful. Toby was so easy to potty train mainly because of the dog door. He hasn't potty in our home in months! This new "boy" thing is really scary LOL I will try the vinegar if he tries it again. I really try to keep a close eye on him. He is gated in only 1 living room in our home and has his playpen with crate in it too. With my daughters home though we were there for 10 min to pick up something and I let my eyes drift away..UGH!
We will see what happens as far at the age we neuter. If he can't mind his manners then we will have to go forward.
Becky

CSutherland
22nd September 2011, 11:54 PM
Bentley was born on Nov 26 and neutered on June 1 so he was just over 6 months. He had absolutely no problems; in fact, after being told to keep him as quiet as possible for 2 -3 days, I was horrified when he was out pottying he saw a cat and flew off the porch, chasing the cat into the pasture. I thought sure he'd be ripped open but there were no consequences.

Karen and Ruby
23rd September 2011, 12:37 AM
Thank you so much for all the info. This is very helpful. Toby was so easy to potty train mainly because of the dog door. He hasn't potty in our home in months! This new "boy" thing is really scary LOL I will try the vinegar if he tries it again. I really try to keep a close eye on him. He is gated in only 1 living room in our home and has his playpen with crate in it too. With my daughters home though we were there for 10 min to pick up something and I let my eyes drift away..UGH!
We will see what happens as far at the age we neuter. If he can't mind his manners then we will have to go forward.
Becky

Hi Becky,

personally I don't think you can blame marking behaviours entirely on him still being intact. Charlie will try to mark if we go to someones house who has a dog and he was neutered 16 months ago.

Its just what they do, balls or no balls, get him a belly band when you visit friends and he wont be able to pee on anything while you are there. Shannon makes and sells them I beleive.

You cant leave them on for too long but as long as you offer him potty breaks outside every now and again he will be fine.

The things to consider with early neuter vs late neuter are much more to do with character, maturity and growth.

I rescued Charlie at 9 months, he wasn't done at this point and he was still a very immature dog, very underweight, had no muscle mass at all and was a very unconfident little boy.
Yes I had to put up with the humping an so did poor Ruby, and the marking and peeing in the house but for that I just crated him when I couldnt supervise him.

I let him get to 16 months before he was done and my desision was mainly due to finding out about his grade 6 heart murmor and we co-insided the Op with his full heart work up, Xrays, Ultrasounds and blood tests all while he was under GA.
I wanted to get it done while he was still young/healthy enough to cope with a GA. If it wasnt for his heart defect I would have waited until he was 2 years easily as he still had some growing to do.

Ruby wasn't spayed until 20 months either- by this time she had gone through adolesence and settled in to her personality and calmed down alot. Her coat was fully grown and she had done all her growing and filling out.

Another important thing to consider is coat-- many people experience a massive change in their dogs coat after neutering. Rubys changed dramatically- went lighter, wavey and shorter.
Charlies coat also just wont grow anymore than it has- he has hardly any feathering, no slippers at all and when he has to be shaved for his Ultrasounds it takes months and months to grow back, it is short and wavey also!

I do agree with others when they say to wait until maturity- I just feel they need their hormones during adolecence to become balanced and confident in later life.

Try and bare with the little annoying things for the good of your dogs!

gamefanz
23rd September 2011, 12:52 AM
Thank you for the advice. The only thing I don't like about belly bands is it doesn't teach them anything. I want him to learn its not ok. Of course I don't know how to teach that when he does it after I turn my back. Its really not just annoying, we are renting and so is my daughter. I do not want to pay for someone else carpet or home because my dog was not mannered. I put myself in the place of the landlord and would hate my renters if their dog peed on my carpet. As my husband says though, thats what the dog deposit is for but for me I guess I care too much for everyone involved.
I will not make promises that I cannot keep but I will try to hold out as long as I can.
Becky




Hi Becky,

personally I don't think you can blame marking behaviours entirely on him still being intact. Charlie will try to mark if we go to someones house who has a dog and he was neutered 16 months ago.

Its just what they do, balls or no balls, get him a belly band when you visit friends and he wont be able to pee on anything while you are there. Shannon makes and sells them I beleive.

You cant leave them on for too long but as long as you offer him potty breaks outside every now and again he will be fine.

The things to consider with early neuter vs late neuter are much more to do with character, maturity and growth.

I rescued Charlie at 9 months, he wasn't done at this point and he was still a very immature dog, very underweight, had no muscle mass at all and was a very unconfident little boy.
Yes I had to put up with the humping an so did poor Ruby, and the marking and peeing in the house but for that I just crated him when I couldnt supervise him.

I let him get to 16 months before he was done and my desision was mainly due to finding out about his grade 6 heart murmor and we co-insided the Op with his full heart work up, Xrays, Ultrasounds and blood tests all while he was under GA.
I wanted to get it done while he was still young/healthy enough to cope with a GA. If it wasnt for his heart defect I would have waited until he was 2 years easily as he still had some growing to do.

Ruby wasn't spayed until 20 months either- by this time she had gone through adolesence and settled in to her personality and calmed down alot. Her coat was fully grown and she had done all her growing and filling out.

Another important thing to consider is coat-- many people experience a massive change in their dogs coat after neutering. Rubys changed dramatically- went lighter, wavey and shorter.
Charlies coat also just wont grow anymore than it has- he has hardly any feathering, no slippers at all and when he has to be shaved for his Ultrasounds it takes months and months to grow back, it is short and wavey also!

I do agree with others when they say to wait until maturity- I just feel they need their hormones during adolecence to become balanced and confident in later life.

Try and bare with the little annoying things for the good of your dogs!

jld
23rd September 2011, 02:59 AM
My breeder,who is considered very reputable and health concious, recommends waiting until at least a year so their bone plates have developed.

lscott
23rd September 2011, 03:12 AM
I adopted both my Cavs from a rescue at 4 months of age and they had already been neutered. Has not seemed to effect the 18 month negatively at all. ( Second baby has just been neutered.) As for females there is research supporting having them spayed before their first season reduces the risk of uterian cancer later in life.

lscott
23rd September 2011, 03:20 AM
I would like to add that Windsor has a beautiful coat at 18 months and apparently is still growing new hair every day. I've read many places that donot recommend neutering early, but they were done when I got them, and I really haven't noticed any ill effects,although Windsor has never learned to lift his leg.

Blueroses
23rd September 2011, 09:04 AM
Thanks to everyone for all the feedback and sharing of experiences. Discussions like this really help to make informed decisions :thmbsup:

Mindysmom
23rd September 2011, 01:37 PM
The one thing I neglected to mention was that the one time Max did mark inside the house it was several months after he was neutered so I'm not so sure the two are that strongly related.

Holly
1st October 2011, 10:57 PM
When I first got Oliver almost 7 years ago, I listened to my vet who told me to neuter him at 5 months (at that point, I was still under the impression that vets know everything! LOL). My breeder had told me to wait until he was at least a year and the growth plates close, but I didn't listen to her, though I should have. Oliver TOWERS above any other Cavalier and when we go up to visit his breeder, who is a good friend, he towers over all of her Cavaliers, including his parents, sister, and grandparents. Now, I have no way of knowing for sure that it was the early neutering, but I am pretty sure that is why he is so tall. I also have two females, one was spayed at about 3 years old and one is still intact but getting spayed after her next season.

Mindysmom
2nd October 2011, 01:17 AM
I'm pretty convinced that early neuter is why Max is so tall as well. There is nothing in his lines that would suggest he would be as tall as he is. I just hope he doesn't have problems when he is older as a result.