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mishy
25th October 2011, 07:43 PM
There is a programme on TV3 tonight at 10pm on Irish puppy farms.

ByFloSin
25th October 2011, 08:28 PM
There is a programme on TV3 tonight at 10pm on Irish puppy farms.

Will I be able to view in on one of the Sky channels? ITV 3 maybe?

sins
25th October 2011, 08:43 PM
I don't think so Flo,
But Animal A&E have a facebook page which has a promo video for it and if you follow the page perhaps footage may appear online.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150521575048504

Sins

susandavis1
25th October 2011, 10:21 PM
Oh dear, this is very difficult to watch, makes me so mad and sad at the same time :mad::cry*ing:
There was such a sweet little cavalier in there too. I just don't understand some people's mentality :-?:-?

brid kenny
25th October 2011, 10:27 PM
Yes pretty harrowing stuff alright.

MurphysMummy
25th October 2011, 11:12 PM
I'm in the uk how can I watch this? x

susandavis1
26th October 2011, 09:28 AM
The programme is available on their website but I'm not sure if it will be possbile to watch it in the uk. Here is the link anyway: http://tv3.ie/3player/show/243/41582/1/Animal-A%26E

Charlifarley
26th October 2011, 10:08 AM
Oh dear, this is very difficult to watch, makes me so mad and sad at the same time :mad::cry*ing:
There was such a sweet little cavalier in there too. I just don't understand some people's mentality :-?:-?

I have this recorded, I don't know if I can bring myself to watch it though. :mad:

emmastewartliberty
26th October 2011, 02:10 PM
I watched it last night and it was truly awful. I couldn't watch the whole thing. I just kept looking at my little Tilly- an ex puppy farm brood bitch and could not bear to think what her life was like while she was there. Appalling. Does anyone know if the legislation is any nearer to being passed?

Karlin
26th October 2011, 03:20 PM
Good question. I will put in a formal question to the dept and see. Problem is Fine Gael vowed to block/reverse elements if they got into government :mad:. Raise it and their support of the cruel sport of carted stag hunting (http://www.joehiggins.eu/2010/07/the-barbarism-of-carted-stag-hunting/) the next time one of their party people are going door to door.

Charlifarley
26th October 2011, 03:42 PM
Apparently nothing can be done until the Welfare of Greyhounds Bill is passed by the Oireachtas first. We can email the minister to ask him to speed things up . It's Phil.hogan@oireachtas.ie
Nothing to be lost by emailing our own TD's too.

lorebringer
26th October 2011, 05:13 PM
http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/243/41582/1/Animal-A%26E

Available here is you missed it!

Karlin
26th October 2011, 08:09 PM
That's interesting that they are saying that the greyhound bill needs to go through 1st. :confused: That wasn't the case in the previous government, under the legislation as it was proposed. There was always a lot of concern that the bill would be watered down for the greyhound industry, which has claimed that it already is under welfare scrutiny (which is hardly the case–some of the worst welfare cases that come in are from racing greyhounds that have been abandoned and had their ears cut off because their ears are tattooed with their identity marks to the racing board). The industry is also very vague on what happens to the thousands and thousands of puppies that are not considered suitable for racing and seem to magically disappear. Greyhounds make up one of the largest groups of purebred dogs that get put down in pounds–and that is even before taking into consideration what is done privately. :(

If the government is now saying they have to bring in a greyhound bill 1st, then they have apparently already begun to alter the legislation as it was written. I am also told that most likely, the entire process now needs to start over again anyway as the minister has not seemed to indicate he is willing to sign in legislation that had actually already been passed. Nor was the outgoing minister willing to sign it. It is utterly exasperating for the people who've spent years working towards that legislation and put in consultation documents, responded to drafts of legislation, and so on. Meanwhile our massive puppy farm industry, which battery farms dogs, continues on with less scrutiny than the average pet owner.:mad:

These are all good issues about which to put pressure on Labour politicians in particular. They are supposed to be pro-animal welfare even though they waffled about regarding the dog breeding/puppy farm bill when in opposition, scenting that they might not get the votes to put them into a coalition government if they didn't go after a certain portion of the rural vote that opposes having these kinds of activity under any scrutiny or regulation. I would consider that to be Labour's worst moment in the past decade.

emmastewartliberty
26th October 2011, 10:21 PM
I e-mailed Phil Hogan not long after he had been made Minister. To date I have heard absolutelt nothing back from him or his department- not encouraging. I will e-mail again, maybe the programme will have put it higher up the list of prorities.

ByFloSin
27th October 2011, 08:59 AM
I e-mailed Phil Hogan not long after he had been made Minister. To date I have heard absolutelt nothing back from him or his department- not encouraging. I will e-mail again, maybe the programme will have put it higher up the list of prorities.

I think that maybe a simple request to a politician is not enough these days.

After my local MP ignored my e-mail about the dog debate last week, I followed up by requesting the courtesy of a reply. Surprise, surprise, last night I received an e-mail from his secretary at the House of Commons, requesting my name and address so that she could confirm that I am in fact one of his constituents. I have replied, apologised and now await a reply with interest.

Keep on at Phil Hogan and let us know how you get on please.

emmastewartliberty
27th October 2011, 09:35 PM
I have just e-mailed him again, with a copy of my original e mail, and I cc'd my local TD ( same as an MP) as well, and asked for an acknowledgement. I'll keep you posted.(But I'm not holding my breath- I've got very cynical in my old age, I'm afraid)

emmastewartliberty
1st November 2011, 07:05 PM
I received this reply from Pat Breen, my local TD, but still no reply, not even an acknowledgement from the Minister himself.:(

]Office of the Chairman
]Emma
I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email and thank you for same.
I discussed this matter recently with Minister Hogan given that separate legislation on the related issue of greyhound welfare, which is the responsibility of the Department of Agriculture, Food & the Marine, is currently proceeding through the Houses of the Oireachtas. This legislation - the Welfare of Greyhounds Bill 2011 - will provide for the welfare of greyhounds and the regulation of greyhound breeding establishments.
The provisions of both these pieces of legislation are complementary and accordingly and I understand that the Minister's intention is to commence the Dog Breeding Establishments Act alongside the Welfare of Greyhounds Bill. On being implemented together, these two pieces of legislation will give wide ranging protection to all dogs in the State by registering and controlling all breeding establishments. The Welfare of Greyhounds Bill has passed all stages in the Dáil and is currently before the Seanad and the Minister will be in a position to proceed on the Dog Breeding Establishments Act once the Greyhound Bill has been finalised. So in other words it is envisaged that the full Act will be commenced in tandem with the Welfare of Greyhounds Bill once it has been enacted.
Therefore, Environment Minister Phil Hogan will sign the commencement order (which will bring it into effect) for the Dog Breeding Act, when the commencement order for the Greyhounds Act is being signed.

This means all dog breeds will be covered under the two pieces of new legislation.

As you know the The Programme for Government 2011 contains a commitment to amend and strengthen legislation on animal cruelty and animal welfare

The main vehicle to fulfil this commitment will be the Animal Health and Welfare Bill which is a comprehensive piece of legislation providing a broad basis for regulating the related areas of animal health and welfare. This Bill is the responsibility of the Minister for Agriculture Simon Coveney T.D. Drafting of the Bill is ongoing with the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel and it isMinister Coveney’sintention to publish the Bill at an early date.

I trust that this information is of assistance to you and should you need any further assistance or clarity in relation to this or any other matter at any time, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards

Pat Breen T.D.

It would be great to get some accurate time line estimates?
Emma

sins
1st November 2011, 07:29 PM
That's interesting Emma,
Well done on getting that much information!
There's a petition on Facebook to encourage the Minister to sign the bill.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/sign-the-dog-breeding-establishment-bill-now/

there's almost 1100 signatures,perhaps we can add a few more?
Sins

Karlin
2nd November 2011, 01:38 AM
Hey, that is a very useful amount of info. :) Well done! If it is thru the Dail and now in the Seanad it is in final stages before eventually going to the (new) president to be signed. But you got far more info that many of us have been able to get and we'd thought the bill was dead as it went unsigned from the last govt.

Awaiting the welfare bill with interest. Of course that bill began its life in the last government so it isn't as if this is Fine Gael's Big Idea. It was actually a top agenda item for the Greens.

susandavis1
10th November 2011, 10:42 AM
Good question. I will put in a formal question to the dept and see. Problem is Fine Gael vowed to block/reverse elements if they got into government :mad:. Raise it and their support of the cruel sport of carted stag hunting (http://www.joehiggins.eu/2010/07/the-barbarism-of-carted-stag-hunting/) the next time one of their party people are going door to door.

It seems that Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore have firmly ruled out that they will reverse the stag hunting ban, good news if they stick to their word :jmp:http://www.independent.ie/national-news/kenny-rules-out-reversing-staghunt-ban-2927998.html
I am ashamed to say that this hunting is in my own locality so I really hope the ban stays in place :xfngr:

Shockingly, I never realised that the original legislation was passed in 1996 by our newly elected president, Michael D Higgins :shock:

emmastewartliberty
12th November 2011, 11:06 AM
Good news hopefully! According to Miriam Lord in todays Irish Times, the dogs bill "is first out of the traps " for Michael D -( Irelands new president, inaugurated yesterday.) She goes on to say dog lover Michael D "will doubtless sign with alacrity", making the way clear for "Phil Hogan to sign into effect the Dog Breeding act". And seemingly the stag hunting ban won't be overturned.
And, what's more, as I understand it, Michael D has also got two rescue Mountain Bernese dogs to share the Aras with him and his family.
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