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Margaret C
30th October 2011, 07:56 PM
Cavaliers are the most wonderful family dogs but they have a great many health problems and for some years now there has been a great deal of discussion about the best way to ensure they have a healthier future.

Although over 80% of Cavaliers are bought by pet owners, the only Cavalier owners consulted by the Kennel Club and other associations are breeders that belong to the KC registered clubs

The ten cavalier clubs are mainly run by show breeders for show breeders and most make no provision for those that enjoy other activities such as agility and obedience. With just one or two notable exceptions they offer very little to those with companion cavaliers nor do they offer much in the way of easily understood health information, detailed puppy buying advice or support and advice for those with sick dogs.

For a while now there has been a feeling that there should be a recognised club for owners of pet cavaliers, a club that could represent the overwhelming majority of cavalier owners when decisions are made that will affect the health of the little dogs we buy as part of our family.

There are knowledgeable and experienced pet dog owners that have owned numerous Cavaliers for many years, and nursed sick and elderly pets through the distressing inherited health conditions so common in our little dogs. These are cavalier owners that could "tell it as it really is" and add a great deal of honest common sense to the debate

So a small group of us have decided to set up a new club, just for companion cavalier owners, with the idea of bringing together some initiatives that are already ongoing and, with suggestions from all of you, introducing some new ideas.

We hope to enhance owners' enjoyment of their pets by encouraging small groups to meet up & organise training sessions and fun days.

We want to set up a website that will celebrate the fun of owning a cavalier and the achievements of the dogs in whatever they do, be it mini agility, heelwork to music or Good Citizen training, but will also give up to date advice on puppy buying and raise awareness of health issues. We want to point people to where they can get support & information about sick dogs and of course we would want to continue to raise money for health research.

As we want to have a voice to represent the thousands of Cavalier pet owners with the Kennel Club and other organisations, we are following KC guidance on "the Formation of a Society" and intend to apply for registration as their first single-breed Companion Club.

There will be an advert in next week's Dog World, as required by the KC, and Dogs Today will have something about our plans in their news page.

Our inaugural meeting will be held at the Kennel Club Building at Stoneleigh Park, near Coventry, Warwickshire CV8 2LZ, at 11am on Thursday 17th November and we do hope that those that can will come and join us in deciding just how we want the club to be run.

Anyone interested in more information is welcome to contact me by PM. Visitors to the forum can always email me at mareve-ckcs@ntlworld.com

Brian M
30th October 2011, 10:08 PM
Hello margaret

It will be interesting to see its aims and the people behind it,I can think of a certain two maybe a poss three.
And if one misses the announcement in these publications how will we know further develpments .Do you also
not think recently the show scene and the pet owners are moving closer and if so would a new club be needed
now.

Rgds

Brian

Jay
30th October 2011, 11:52 PM
I have been a member of a local AKC Cavalier club for many years. However, many of us felt that the needs of the pet owners and performance dog owners was not being met. Cathy T. and four others have put together a club similar to the one that you are starting. We have had two meetings, one social and one educational. The turnout has been fantastic.

I am excited about the one that Cathy has started. Our first club meeting had a canine cardiologist as a guest speaker. He did echos on two dogs, one was one of mine, Monty. Monty has a congenital heart defect and gets monitoring echos done about every other year. It was really interesting to see the echo being done. Monty was wonderfully behaved during the entire procedure. I felt so much more comfortable knowing that the people there would see Monty as the wonderful dog that he is and not compare him to "show quality" dogs. I really hate that terminology because it implies that show dogs are somehow "better". When asked, I typically say my dogs do not compete in conformation events. However, we do compete in performance events and give lots of love.

Good luck with your new club. I really feel that there is a need for clubs for people who want to learn more about selecting a breeder, keeping their dogs healthy and finding fun things to do with their dogs. I know there are more people out there with these interests than are those who choose to show their dogs for conformation. I have no issue with people who show in the conformation ring. It is just not what I want to do. I am sure there are people out there who are not one bit interested in agility....it really is and should be a matter of choice.

J.

Sabby
30th October 2011, 11:59 PM
Hello margaret

It will be interesting to see its aims and the people behind it,I can think of a certain two maybe a poss three.
And if one misses the announcement in these publications how will we know further develpments .Do you also
not think recently the show scene and the pet owners are moving closer and if so would a new club be needed
now.

Rgds

Brian

A Club like this is needed, I am sorry to say Show scene and pet owners moving closer together? Did I miss something?
Like Margaret says there will be an advert in next week’s Dog World, let’s see how many people going to complain and moan about this idea.

ByFloSin
31st October 2011, 12:07 AM
Margaret,

Would it not have made sense to hold the inaugural meeting at Stoneleigh to coincide with the Midland Champ Show on Sunday 27th November at Stoneleigh. I am sure you are aware, and if not, you should be, that the majority of show people regard their dogs as pets and companions first and show dogs second? I am sure that the Midland Club would have welcomed the new initiative had they been given the opportunity to consider the merits of it.


Hello margaret

It will be interesting to see its aims and the people behind it,I can think of a certain two maybe a poss three.
And if one misses the announcement in these publications how will we know further develpments .Do you also
not think recently the show scene and the pet owners are moving closer and if so would a new club be needed
now.

Rgds

Brian

I would have liked to have heard about it in advance of the announcement too. Being one of those who has Cavaliers as pets and three with health problems it might have been nice to be asked to contribute some expertise, particularly as I seem to be probably the only person on this Forum with three years first hand experience of dealing with Curly Coat/Dry Eye Syndrome.

RodRussell
31st October 2011, 12:26 AM
... I am sure you are aware, and if not, you should be, that the majority of show people regard their dogs as pets and companions first and show dogs second?

Oh, yeah. I've heard that often in the USA. :rolleyes: Too bad most don't practice what they preach.


... I am sure that the Midland Club would have welcomed the new initiative had they been given the opportunity to consider the merits of it.

If any conformation club liked the idea, why isn't it doing it already?

HollyDolly
31st October 2011, 12:31 AM
Can you please tell us the names of the members in your group.

I agree with Flo's post, there are many members on here
who have vast experience in the health problems of Cavaliers.
And their imput would be invaluable. But I do not agree that
all show people regard their dogs as pets when so many are
shipped abroad to continue their showing there and mate as
many bitches as possible.

Nanette

pkt89
31st October 2011, 03:19 AM
What is the name of your local club? I am in southern California and would like to know more about it?
Thanks
Kitty


I have been a member of a local AKC Cavalier club for many years. However, many of us felt that the needs of the pet owners and performance dog owners was not being met. Cathy T. and four others have put together a club similar to the one that you are starting. We have had two meetings, one social and one educational. The turnout has been fantastic.

I am excited about the one that Cathy has started. Our first club meeting had a canine cardiologist as a guest speaker. He did echos on two dogs, one was one of mine, Monty. Monty has a congenital heart defect and gets monitoring echos done about every other year. It was really interesting to see the echo being done. Monty was wonderfully behaved during the entire procedure. I felt so much more comfortable knowing that the people there would see Monty as the wonderful dog that he is and not compare him to "show quality" dogs. I really hate that terminology because it implies that show dogs are somehow "better". When asked, I typically say my dogs do not compete in conformation events. However, we do compete in performance events and give lots of love.

Good luck with your new club. I really feel that there is a need for clubs for people who want to learn more about selecting a breeder, keeping their dogs healthy and finding fun things to do with their dogs. I know there are more people out there with these interests than are those who choose to show their dogs for conformation. I have no issue with people who show in the conformation ring. It is just not what I want to do. I am sure there are people out there who are not one bit interested in agility....it really is and should be a matter of choice.

J.

Margaret C
31st October 2011, 03:16 PM
Hello margaret

It will be interesting to see its aims and the people behind it,I can think of a certain two maybe a poss three.
And if one misses the announcement in these publications how will we know further develpments .Do you also
not think recently the show scene and the pet owners are moving closer and if so would a new club be needed
now.

Rgds

Brian

Hello Brian,

I do think that in many ways the show breeders and pet owners are coming together, but I would think there is still a need for a club that focuses on the interests of non-show owners.

The aims, objects, and the rules of the club will be discussed at the meeting. It will be for those interested in being members to decide exactly how it is run, although there will be a working document drawn up to aid discussion.

As we are following KC guidelines on setting up a Society, in the hopes of eventually applying for registration, there are certain things we have to include and that makes it a rather wordy document.

At the moment the draft aims and objects of the club are as follows:-


To promote the health, welfare and enjoyment of Cavalier KC Spaniels:-

By encouraging owners and breeders to maintain high standards of welfare and act in a responsible manner towards the breeding of their Cavaliers.
To have a voice to represent thousands of pet owners with the Kennel Club, other Cavalier Clubs and other organisations.
To provide up to date, comprehensive web based information on breed health issues, breeding guidelines, specialists, and health screening clinics. Raise awareness of breed health issues at public events.
To aid research into health and temperament problems, work with specialists, organise health clinics and seminars, organise tissue collection scheme.
To fund raise for research, health screening, and tissue collection.
To assist buyers in locating sources of healthy puppies and to campaign for the establishment of regulations requiring that puppies come from fully health tested parents.
By offering support and advice for owners of health compromised dogs.
By enhancing owners’ enjoyment of their Cavaliers and the quality of life of their dogs by means of social contacts and events.
By organising such other activities that may be found to be desirable or necessary to achieve the objects of the Club (Companion Dog shows, fun days, etc.)

Margaret C
31st October 2011, 03:42 PM
Margaret,

Would it not have made sense to hold the inaugural meeting at Stoneleigh to coincide with the Midland Champ Show on Sunday 27th November at Stoneleigh. I am sure you are aware, and if not, you should be, that the majority of show people regard their dogs as pets and companions first and show dogs second? I am sure that the Midland Club would have welcomed the new initiative had they been given the opportunity to consider the merits of it. .




Hello Flo,

We would have preferred to hold the meeting at a weekend, but the meeting rooms were not available then, and it had already been decided that the choice of a KC owned venue would be a good indication of our intention to try for KC registration.

I do not however think that a meeting for a pet owners' club would have tempted many of those attending a Championship show away from their ringside viewing.

We do not anticipate holding conformation shows but will welcome anyone from the show world who would want to join. There are many people that enjoy a day out showing their pets that would hopefully find the new club has something to offer them.


I would have liked to have heard about it in advance of the announcement too. Being one of those who has Cavaliers as pets and three with health problems it might have been nice to be asked to contribute some expertise, particularly as I seem to be probably the only person on this Forum with three years first hand experience of dealing with Curly Coat/Dry Eye Syndrome.

Flo, this is the advance notice. We would all be delighted if you want to contribute to the club, your experience with your special needs cavaliers will be invaluable.

Brian M
31st October 2011, 04:13 PM
Hello Margaret

Thanks for your reply ,my only other comment now is "Can I join please " as
I would like to be in your gang .:)

Margaret C
31st October 2011, 06:52 PM
Hello Margaret

Thanks for your reply ,my only other comment now is "Can I join please " as
I would like to be in your gang .:)

Who else but you could keep the rescue page up to date on the new club website?

I have a vision of what I would like the club and its website to provide, but others will have their own ideas & suggestions.

I feel that anybody buying a cavalier buys a wonderful little dog but, as we now know, one that can bring with it some rather specialised problems as well as a great deal of pleasure and love.

There is so much going on in the cavalier world & so much information out there, but how does a new puppy buyer, or a newly worried owner, find the answers they need for their particular question?

How do those keen to do something in partnership with their pet know where other cavalier owners are doing Rally Obedience, or mini agility or Good Citizen training.

How does a pet owner find out that one of the cavalier clubs is holding a rescue party, a health day, or a fund raising walk in their area?

Where can they find out about the best buys at the best prices?

I would like to think that the club could gradually build a website that will give cavalier owners basic information about a wide variety of subjects while providing links to more detailed sites.

We will not be looking to reinvent the wheel, nor start another chat forum, but just provide a more static version of the information sharing on this site, one where the details would not rapidly disappear behind a host of newer posts.

MurphysMummy
31st October 2011, 11:13 PM
Margaret, what a fabulous idea. I am a cavalier pet owner whose cav has health issues. And being from a puppy farm he is hard to train etc. so he is my companion. And a companion/pet club would be lovely, fun days where we can meet and talk and share our beautiful cavaliers and discuss what helps them etc for their health. Owners who are willing to talk about their dogs health other than walk away and give me funny looks(my past experience at a cavalier meet!) I hope to join this and be apart of the fun days, and to inform and educate future cavalier owners. :-)

Margaret C
1st November 2011, 03:57 PM
Margaret, what a fabulous idea. I am a cavalier pet owner whose cav has health issues. And being from a puppy farm he is hard to train etc. so he is my companion. And a companion/pet club would be lovely, fun days where we can meet and talk and share our beautiful cavaliers and discuss what helps them etc for their health. Owners who are willing to talk about their dogs health other than walk away and give me funny looks(my past experience at a cavalier meet!) I hope to join this and be apart of the fun days, and to inform and educate future cavalier owners. :-)

I'm glad you think it is a good idea. You and Murphy are now on the list as potential members.

Hopefully you will be able and willing to share your experiences with Murphy with others that take on a puppy farm dog and have health & training problems?

Karlin
1st November 2011, 04:29 PM
This is a really great idea, and definitely one whose time has come. I think there will be a lot of interest, as many pet owners feel that the breed clubs have quite different interests and agendas and focus.

Sometimes rightly so, sometimes in a not-so-happy way. All you have to do is visit some of the discussion lists that are primarily oriented toward breeders (in many breeds, not just cavaliers) to see that non-breeder members of breed clubs often are not seen as particularly relevant or important, nor are their views taken very seriously (actually, more often they are dismissed as not having the right to contribute because they haven't bred litters and therefore don't “know enough” –from my own experience, they often know a heck of a lot more than some of the people that are supposed to be putting the breeds welfare in future as a priority!). U see that some of the usual UK breeder crowd have already questioned why anyone would want a companion dog club. :sl*p: Thus underlining exactly why there's a need for one. :lol:

At least one cavalier pet owner club has been formed in the US as well, for some of the same reasons that are motivating a UK club. I think that national kennel clubs can only consider this a positive move, because it broadens the reach for getting out important breed and general dog health and welfare information, and is all pro–dog. :)

As in an awful lot of areas of life, people/consumers feel they have an entitlement to care about issues and contribute to policy formation and that it shouldn't just be limited to the vested interests and especially the “producers” which in the case of a breed, would be the breeders. But also, even just in the sense of socializing and having fun and raising awareness, I think there's a good argument that pet owners have different interests and a different focus. :)

Let us know how it develops. Once the club is underway, perhaps it would be helpful for me to set up a forum here for discussions relating to the club. :)

Karlin
1st November 2011, 04:33 PM
Oh thanks Jay, I see you have highlighted the US club already in this thread:

http://www.cavaliertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?39927-A-new-club-for-cavalier-owners&p=406011#post406011

That might interest some others based in your area, or inspire others in the US to create similar regional AKC-affiliated pet owner clubs! :)

Spangly
1st November 2011, 05:21 PM
What a great idea Margaret ! I would be very happy to join and help in any way I could.

honeybun
1st November 2011, 07:28 PM
[QUOTE=Karlin;406088] U see that some of the usual UK breeder crowd have already questioned why anyone would want a companion dog club. :sl*p:

Karlin. I am a Cavalier list fanatic :)and am on 11 Cavalier sites! I have never seen the formation of the companion dog club mentioned anywhere but here, or it's existance questioned anywhere? Where have you seen this? Sara

Karlin
2nd November 2011, 12:02 AM
I guess you aren't on all the sites. :) The grumblers have already begun. Basically asking why anyone would bother setting up another club when the kennel club already is full of breed clubs that people can join–which kind of misses the point. I am sure there will be a good response to Margaret's proposal, just as there was a very good response in California. :D Margaret has made a formal announcement here, but there was some awareness in some circles that this was happening before her post here, of course.

Petstalk
2nd November 2011, 10:09 AM
I would lov to Join and help in anyway I can x

Cathy T
2nd November 2011, 06:20 PM
Basically asking why anyone would bother setting up another club when the kennel club already is full of breed clubs that people can join–which kind of misses the point. I am sure there will be a good response to Margaret's proposal, just as there was a very good response in California. :D

Several of us who belong to the local AKC show club had decided we needed a group that was more focused on pet ownership and not so much on show issues. Cavaliers as a breed have become so much more prevalent in the past few years. And many new pet owners don't feel comfortable belonging to a show club feeling they are out of place as solely non-show owners. Our new group will meet 8 times a year with 4 of our meetings being education focused. We've gotten a terrific response!! I meet so many new Cavalier people who really want to learn more about how to care for their Cavaliers and about Cavalier health issues but aren't interested in the show aspects of ownership. Now I can comfortably invite them to join a serious pet based club....and when I say "serious" I mean we aren't just a social club. We are not under the auspices of any formal organization (ie AKC). There are plenty of people to fulfill membership in both types of clubs....in fact, several of our members belong to both the AKC club and our group. There isn't a conflict of interest since we are not at all show involved.

Margaret C
3rd November 2011, 12:11 AM
What a great idea Margaret ! I would be very happy to join and help in any way I could.

Christine you are such a wonderful fund raiser, there is no way we would let somone like you opt out.

Margaret C
3rd November 2011, 12:18 AM
I would lov to Join and help in anyway I can x

A willing volunteer. We would love to have you as a member.
I will add you to the list of prospective members and be in touch in due course.

Karlin
3rd November 2011, 12:27 AM
Thanks for the detail, Cathy! I think you will get a few more people thanks to this thread... :D. I had thought the club was within the AKC; my mistake. Perhaps not possible under the way they are organised? And maybe that will begin to change over time -- I do think owners without the show interest increasingly want a a serious involvement with their breed that show oriented clubs don't necessarily provide -- and want health and breed info, detailed and independent advice on finding a reputable breeder, breed-oriented fundraising activities, rescue, and the social side too. But are not interested in the show and breeding focus of typical breed clubs. I think that kind of companion club has a role within national kennel club organisations, too. :)

Margaret C
3rd November 2011, 12:33 AM
I meet so many new Cavalier people who really want to learn more about how to care for their Cavaliers and about Cavalier health issues but aren't interested in the show aspects of ownership. Now I can comfortably invite them to join a serious pet based club....and when I say "serious" I mean we aren't just a social club. We are not under the auspices of any formal organization (ie AKC). There are plenty of people to fulfill membership in both types of clubs....in fact, several of our members belong to both the AKC club and our group. There isn't a conflict of interest since we are not at all show involved.

I will be picking your brains for ideas that have worked for you.

We do want to apply for registration with the KC, so we get consulted as a right when breed decisions are made, but it may prove difficult because we do not want to run conformation shows and so will not fully comply with the rules for breed clubs.

ByFloSin
3rd November 2011, 09:50 AM
I will be picking your brains for ideas that have worked for you.

We do want to apply for registration with the KC, so we get consulted as a right when breed decisions are made, but it may prove difficult because we do not want to run conformation shows and so will not fully comply with the rules for breed clubs.

I have no idea what the rules are which will apply to KC affiliation but would it make any difference if you have a significant number of members who do show in conformation shows. The KC actively sponsor Companion shows too, so having members who enter those is surely relevant?

Please add me to your list of probable members Margaret, but before committing myself I want to be sure of what exactly the aims and objectives of the new Club will be. There is no way I will ever align myself to breeder or conformation exhibitor bashing, but I am all in favour of reaching and educating pet owners, particularly concerning Cavalier health.

Margaret C
3rd November 2011, 01:30 PM
I have no idea what the rules are which will apply to KC affiliation but would it make any difference if you have a significant number of members who do show in conformation shows. The KC actively sponsor Companion shows too, so having members who enter those is surely relevant?

Please add me to your list of probable members Margaret, but before committing myself I want to be sure of what exactly the aims and objectives of the new Club will be. There is no way I will ever align myself to breeder or conformation exhibitor bashing, but I am all in favour of reaching and educating pet owners, particularly concerning Cavalier health.

Although we hope that pet owners, breeders and exhibitors will join, it will not make any difference, when applying for registration, what activity the individual members do with their dogs.

One of the problems that may arise is that KC regulations ask that breed clubs submit a list of approved judges every year. We will not be holding conformation shows so will not be drawing up such a list.

The draft aims of the Club are shown on post 9 of this thread, if you are still interested after reading them perhaps you will be able to join us and add to the discussions at the meeting?

ByFloSin
3rd November 2011, 07:59 PM
I really wish I could be there at the Stoneleigh meeting Margaret. You may remember that I am waiting for surgery for cancer so it isn't a good idea to flog myself to death during the hiatus. I will be teaching IT for most of the day on the Wednesday, getting Little Joe bathed and groomed for the Champ Show and then travelling an hour and a half each way to the show at Stoneleigh on the Saturday, so reluctantly I have to take a rain check on the meeting.

I would be really grateful if you could let me have a note of how things to Margaret and please keep my name on your list of probable members.

MurphysMummy
4th November 2011, 12:36 PM
I'm glad you think it is a good idea. You and Murphy are now on the list as potential members.

Hopefully you will be able and willing to share your experiences with Murphy with others that take on a puppy farm dog and have health & training problems?

Yes I am willing to share my experiences with owning a puppy farm dog. This is such a good idea. Will I have to write it up and it will be shared on a website??

Margaret C
4th November 2011, 02:51 PM
Yes I am willing to share my experiences with owning a puppy farm dog. This is such a good idea. Will I have to write it up and it will be shared on a website??

You really don't have to do anything unless you want to, but that was what I was thinking could be a good idea, and perhaps owners with a newly adopted puppy farm dog could be put in contact with you and other owners, like Tania, who have experience of managing the special problems these unsocialised little dogs bring with them.

We could also perhaps regularly feature a cavalier that is needing rehoming.

Early days yet, we are still in the planning stages, so any suggestions welcomed.

Karen and Ruby
4th November 2011, 04:35 PM
Oh Margaret,

So glad this is going forward, I will try my very hardest to get there for the meeting, if I can get the dogs watched for the day but will let you know for sure at Discover dogs if you are there again this year.

I think there are many who have a lot of expertise to bring to a group like this, and I for one am IN!
:-D

Margaret C
4th November 2011, 07:05 PM
I really wish I could be there at the Stoneleigh meeting Margaret. You may remember that I am waiting for surgery for cancer so it isn't a good idea to flog myself to death during the hiatus. I will be teaching IT for most of the day on the Wednesday, getting Little Joe bathed and groomed for the Champ Show and then travelling an hour and a half each way to the show at Stoneleigh on the Saturday, so reluctantly I have to take a rain check on the meeting.

I would be really grateful if you could let me have a note of how things to Margaret and please keep my name on your list of probable members.

Your name has been added. Good luck at the show.

Margaret C
4th November 2011, 07:12 PM
Oh Margaret,

So glad this is going forward, I will try my very hardest to get there for the meeting, if I can get the dogs watched for the day but will let you know for sure at Discover dogs if you are there again this year.

I think there are many who have a lot of expertise to bring to a group like this, and I for one am IN!
:-D


I do hope you can make it.

Tania is taking the CavalierMatters to Discover Dogs & I hope to be there to help her, so we should get a chance to talk.

Karen and Ruby
4th November 2011, 07:28 PM
I do hope you can make it.

Tania is taking the CavalierMatters to Discover Dogs & I hope to be there to help her, so we should get a chance to talk.

Yes- I said that I would be there to help for at least the Saturday but hoping to get up there on Sunday as well!

Sabby
4th November 2011, 07:49 PM
Yes I am willing to share my experiences with owning a puppy farm dog. This is such a good idea. Will I have to write it up and it will be shared on a website??

Hi

Just wondering if you would like to go to the meeting? We are going so you could come with us if you like.

We would leave about 9.30ish.

Karlin
4th November 2011, 11:58 PM
Yay! So glad there will be Tania & the team again at Discover Dogs–this was such a great success before, and it is such a wonderful effort both in terms of education and sharing knowledge and the pleasures of owning this breed. Plus–great shopping! Wish I could be there for the 1st meeting of the proposed club.

Margaret C
6th November 2011, 02:31 PM
I would like to make it clear that the Companion Cavalier Club is not being set up in opposition to the existing breed clubs, they do an excellent job for cavalier owners that enjoy conformation showing. The new club is to provide a sort of one-stop-shop of information and services for those that want to know what else they can do with their cavalier.

There are in fact some events organised by breed clubs that would be great fun for non-club owners but, as they are often only advertised in specialist dog papers, pet owners often do not get to hear of them.

The wonderful Southern Cavalier Welfare organisation are holding a Christmas Tea Party on December 3rd, with CLEVER CAVALIERS providing some of the entertainment.
I have posted the flyer below, but of course, as the general cavalier chat threads continue this information will disappear. On a static club website 'Coming Events' page we can have all sorts of information brought together for any cavalier owner, old or new, to see.

Fun shows and companion shows are held all over the country and, in the summer especially, could well offer great meeting places for small groups of pet cavalier owners to spend some time together. They could share a picnic together (or buy a burger from the van at the show ). There would be fun classes to enter and most cavaliers should do well in the 'waggiest tail' or 'the most beautiful eyes'. Unlike the more seriously competitive conformation shows these events are usually very child friendly.

You will see below that the Japanese Chin Club & the Humberside Cavalier Club are both running Companion shows in the next month or so. These shows are usually open to all dogs ( so I could take my cavalier to the chin show & a chin to the cavalier show if I wished )
The regulations for these shows state........
"A Companion Dog Show may schedule an unlimited number of classes for both pedigree and non-pedigree dogs whether registered or unregistered", so your cavalier does not have to be KC registered to enter some of the classes.

You can also see the notice about the new Companion Cavalier Club that was published in the Dog World paper this week.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6047/6317690801_568d3f1118.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39096140@N03/6317690801/)http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6057/6317693427_20c9387b2c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39096140@N03/6317693427/)

Karlin
6th November 2011, 06:35 PM
Just to note: anyone can post an event on the calendar on the site here. It is one of the very underused features! Maybe a good idea to set up a subforum with upcoming events too... so that things people mention don;t get buried as this 'general' forum has a lot of activity and threads go off the main page rapidly. :)

Edited to add: I added an events/health clinics sub forum here. People can use it to link to the companion club listings when it is up and running, or to any other events such as health clinics and things like Discover Dogs, funfairs, fundraising events etc. I should have set up something like this ages ago. Be sure to also add to the calendar as upcoming events are highlighted on the main forum page each day!

Margaret C
6th November 2011, 06:54 PM
Just to note: anyone can post an event on the calendar on the site here. It is one of the very underused features! Maybe a good idea to set up a subforum with upcoming events too... so that things people mention don;t get buried as this 'general' forum has a lot of activity and threads go off the main page rapidly. :)

Edited to add: I added an events/health clinics sub forum here. People can use it to link to the companion club listings when it is up and running, or to any other events such as health clinics and things like Discover Dogs, funfairs, fundraising events etc. I should have set up something like this ages ago. Be sure to also add to the calendar as upcoming events are highlighted on the main forum page each day!

Thanks Karlin,

I have added the information about the inaugural meeting on the sub forum but found it impossible to add it to the Calendar as the menu only seemed to go up to 2010?

Karlin
6th November 2011, 07:01 PM
2010 -- that's not much help! Will go have a look.

Karlin
6th November 2011, 07:05 PM
Fixed! No wonder no one had used the calendar in the past year... :lol:

ByFloSin
7th November 2011, 10:03 AM
Margaret,

I have a friend in Birmingham who organises some really good 'fun' shows. I don't think they are KC licensed, but I have competed in many of them and they are very popular and great fun. I have already offered to do some stewarding for her next year :*nana:

I wonder if some of the new club members would like to meet up at one or more of Chris' shows. I think she would be really happy to organise one for us as a fundraiser. If the demand was there I am sure she could include a special class for new club members.

I will be seeing Chris on Sunday - would you like me to have a word with her on the subject?

cavi lover
7th November 2011, 12:47 PM
I do not post here very often but will try hard to attend the meeting. I have 2 ex puppy farm girls 2 "reject" cavs and a "reject" chin.

I compete in agility and soon to be in obedience. So would be very glad to be a help to anyone interested in these activities.

I am also A pets as therapy visitor and assessor so again would be happy to help anyone interested.

Perhaps a working section of the club could be an idea? I think many cavalier owners will agree that yes they are super little lap dogs but also a whole lot more than that!

Thanks

Julie

Brian M
7th November 2011, 01:04 PM
Hi Julie

I bet you have four beautiful Cavaliers and two adorable Chins .I often think about agility or similar and know Sabby and
Karen compete in it but then I think are my little girls really suiatable , what with my Rosie having a disc problem
last year buts she been fine since than chasing tennis balls .

Sabby
7th November 2011, 04:00 PM
Hi Julie

I bet you have four beautiful Cavaliers and two adorable Chins .I often think about agility or similar and know Sabby and
Karen compete in it but then I think are my little girls really suiatable , what with my Rosie having a disc problem
last year buts she been fine since than chasing tennis balls .


Hi Brian
You don’t have to compete in agility to do agility. You can’t do it with a dog that has disc problems or luxating patellar but you got more than one dog. You would need to find a club that also focuses on people that don’t want to compete and just want to do it for fun. The Question is can you run fast enough? icon_nwunsure

I am lucky I got our Rally Obedience Club and we have now started Agility Obedience what is a lot of fun.
It is hard to explain to people that don’t work with their dogs what extra special bond you form when you work your dog. It’s magical and I wish I done it when I had my first dog 27 years ago.
Now Ebony is doing great I even have started training with her, all the way back to basics. And she loves it. She will be my 3rd Rally Obedience dog. Most dogs love working, pleasing their owners and using their brains.

Margaret C
7th November 2011, 06:36 PM
Margaret,

I have a friend in Birmingham who organises some really good 'fun' shows. I don't think they are KC licensed, but I have competed in many of them and they are very popular and great fun. I have already offered to do some stewarding for her next year :*nana:

I wonder if some of the new club members would like to meet up at one or more of Chris' shows. I think she would be really happy to organise one for us as a fundraiser. If the demand was there I am sure she could include a special class for new club members.

I will be seeing Chris on Sunday - would you like me to have a word with her on the subject?


Thank you for the suggestion Flo, this may be something the committee of the new club will want to follow up.

Advertising small local shows to members and encouraging them to think about meeting up socially at a fun venue where they can talk 'cavaliers' seems to be an important service the new club could offer.

Margaret C
7th November 2011, 06:50 PM
I do not post here very often but will try hard to attend the meeting. I have 2 ex puppy farm girls 2 "reject" cavs and a "reject" chin.

I compete in agility and soon to be in obedience. So would be very glad to be a help to anyone interested in these activities.

I am also A pets as therapy visitor and assessor so again would be happy to help anyone interested.

Perhaps a working section of the club could be an idea? I think many cavalier owners will agree that yes they are super little lap dogs but also a whole lot more than that!

Thanks

Julie

I do hope you can come, you will be able to offer so much expertise in so many ways.
A working section may be something we can discuss at the meeting.

Do we know of any UK owner that does heelwork to music with their cavalier? I am sure there must be someone somewhere.

Sandra ( Sandrac ) has posted on the event sub forum offering a lift to anyone going her way & Sabby has also offered a lift.
If there is anyone who would like to come but finds the journey or the thought of travelling alone daunting, why not post here & see if there is someone you can meet up with.

Margaret C
10th November 2011, 08:25 PM
http://www.dogworld.co.uk/News/45-Cavalier#comments (http://www.dogworld.co.uk/News/45-Cavalier#comments)


There was also mention of the inaugural meeting in the Dogs Today magazine that arrived today.

I have had a few emails asking for details.

ByFloSin
15th November 2011, 10:40 AM
This is very embarrasing :lol: Got my weeks wrong, so I will be able to come to the meeting. There's only one problem though, it would help me a lot if somebody could give me a lift to the venue from Coventry Railway Station, as I can't find details of the bus service on Transport Direct.

On the other hand, if somebody is going from Birmingham, could I hitch a lift with them please?

Yours hopefully
Flo;)

Nicki
15th November 2011, 11:27 AM
So pleased this is going ahead, I do think there is a huge need for a club for people with interests other than conformation shows - the majority of Cavaliers are in pet homes and there is a wide variety of interests and activities, and it sounds like these are going to be represented.

I'm sorry that we will not be able to attend - one disadvantage of living so far away from everyone else - so please accept our apologies. Wishing you a very successful meeting, really looking forward to hearing the outcome.

Flo - I'm so pleased you will be able to attend after all. I hope someone is able to offer you a lift.

Brian M
15th November 2011, 11:35 AM
Hi

As the meeting is Thurs I shall unfortunately be stuck in work but if I was able to
attend I would of been more than happy to pick you up on the way down Flo , but
am sure some kind person will be able to sort something for you .

Rachel S
15th November 2011, 02:34 PM
I feel it is very short sighted hold the meeting during the week - prohibitive to a great number of people. A days holiday for me to attend!

Rachel

Nicki
15th November 2011, 06:55 PM
Rachel, it was not possible to book a room at Stoneleigh at the weekend


We would have preferred to hold the meeting at a weekend, but the meeting rooms were not available then, and it had already been decided that the choice of a KC owned venue would be a good indication of our intention to try for KC registration.


from Margaret's post above


Hopefully future meetings will take place at the weekend.

Rachel S
15th November 2011, 08:06 PM
I appreciate this and had already read Margaret's post thank you. Presumably it was not decided at the last minute to hold this meeting - as I understand it this has been in the planning for a length of time.

That aside it will be interesting to learn what is proposed on Thursday and am looking forward to it.

Rachel


Rachel, it was not possible to book a room at Stoneleigh at the weekend



from Margaret's post above


Hopefully future meetings will take place at the weekend.

Margaret C
16th November 2011, 12:23 AM
I appreciate this and had already read Margaret's post thank you. Presumably it was not decided at the last minute to hold this meeting - as I understand it this has been in the planning for a length of time.

That aside it will be interesting to learn what is proposed on Thursday and am looking forward to it.

Rachel

Hello Rachel,

As you will appreciate it can be difficult to find a time & a venue that suits everyone.
I am sorry you will not be able to join us but I will be happy to add your name to the list of apologies if you so wish?

If there are any others who would have liked to attend the meeting but the day, time, location, or their own health will make it it impossible, please let me know.
It could prove helpful to be able to show the amount of support that exists for a pet owners cavalier club.

Karlin
16th November 2011, 12:40 AM
Me! :cool:

Rachel S
16th November 2011, 08:53 AM
I am sorry you will not be able to join us but I will be happy to add your name to the list of apologies if you so wish?

Margaret - I will be attending (all being well)

Margaret C
16th November 2011, 08:10 PM
This is very embarrasing :lol: Got my weeks wrong, so I will be able to come to the meeting. There's only one problem though, it would help me a lot if somebody could give me a lift to the venue from Coventry Railway Station, as I can't find details of the bus service on Transport Direct.

On the other hand, if somebody is going from Birmingham, could I hitch a lift with them please?

Yours hopefully
Flo;)

I'm sorry we can't help, but there are four of us already in the car and we need to be at the venue early and don't actually come into Coventry.

The Client Information Pack I have been given states " Buses run from Coventry's Pool Meadow bus station past Stoneleigh Park. A copy of the timetable is available to download from www.stoneleighpark.com (http://www.stoneleighpark.com) "

Looking forward to seeing you.

Margaret C
16th November 2011, 08:12 PM
I am sorry you will not be able to join us but I will be happy to add your name to the list of apologies if you so wish?

Margaret - I will be attending (all being well)

That is good news. I look forward to seeing you.

ByFloSin
16th November 2011, 10:54 PM
The Client Information Pack I have been given states " Buses run from Coventry's Pool Meadow bus station past Stoneleigh Park. A copy of the timetable is available to download from www.stoneleighpark.com (http://www.stoneleighpark.com) "

Looking forward to seeing you.

Sorry to tell you Margaret that there seems to be a difference between what is in the information pack and what can be found on the website, which says:

By Rail Royal Leamington Spa, Warwick and Warwick Parkway rail stations are situated on the main London Marylebone-Birmingham line whilst Coventry is a regular stop for the Virgin West Coast Mainline.
London Euston – Coventry services every 30 minutes weekdays
London Marylebone – Warwick Parkway services every 30 minutes
Birmingham – Coventry Frequent services from Birmingham New Street, Birmingham International and Coventry
From these mainline stations you will need to take a short taxi ride. Taxi ranks are based at both Warwick Parkway and Coventry stations, which are approximately 5 miles from Stoneleigh Park.
By Bus / Coach Coventry bus station is 6 miles (10km) away from Stoneleigh Park. Warwick bus station is 9 miles (14km) from Stoneleigh Park."

However, I already had the information I wanted from Transport Direct by feeding in only the postcode of the venue. The busses only run every couple of hours and I need two of them from Coventry.

I look forward to meeting you tomorrow. Am I correct in assuming that you are using one of the committee rooms in the KC Building?

Margaret C
17th November 2011, 12:32 AM
Sorry to tell you Margaret that there seems to be a difference between what is in the information pack and what can be found on the website, which says:

By Rail

Royal Leamington Spa, Warwick and Warwick Parkway rail stations are situated on the main London Marylebone-Birmingham line whilst Coventry is a regular stop for the Virgin West Coast Mainline.
London Euston – Coventry services every 30 minutes weekdays
London Marylebone – Warwick Parkway services every 30 minutes
Birmingham – Coventry Frequent services from Birmingham New Street, Birmingham International and Coventry
From these mainline stations you will need to take a short taxi ride. Taxi ranks are based at both Warwick Parkway and Coventry stations, which are approximately 5 miles from Stoneleigh Park.
By Bus / Coach

Coventry bus station is 6 miles (10km) away from Stoneleigh Park. Warwick bus station is 9 miles (14km) from Stoneleigh Park."

However, I already had the information I wanted from Transport Direct by feeding in only the postcode of the venue. The busses only run every couple of hours and I need two of them from Coventry.

I look forward to meeting you tomorrow. Am I correct in assuming that you are using one of the committee rooms in the KC Building?

Meeting Room B of KC building. Coffee or tea will be available when you arrive.

honeybun
18th November 2011, 12:24 PM
Any news from the meeting? Sara

Margaret C
18th November 2011, 09:40 PM
Any news from the meeting? Sara

Hello Sara,
We have a Companion Club, a Constitution, a Committee & a Start Date.:rah:

I feel very pleased indeed at what was achieved, but I am also absolutely exhausted today trying to catch up with tasks ( and my poor dogs ) neglected, & email unanswered, while I spent days working on the draft constitution

So please all forgive me, but you will have to be patient until tomorrow, when hopefully my brain will stop feeling like mush, and I will be able to give you a coherent account of how things went and what has been decided.

Nicki
18th November 2011, 09:48 PM
That sounds good Margaret :D Glad it went well, looking forward to hearing the full story.

Karlin
19th November 2011, 06:28 PM
Looking forward to the detail when you have had a rest! :)

Margaret C
19th November 2011, 09:31 PM
It had been a problem trying to guess how many people would attend a meeting held on a weekday morning. From the emails I received I expected about 20 attendees but there was always the possibility that some people would just turn up.

Seventeen people actually attended and we had thirty confirmed apologies (There were quite a few emails where I did not get time to check with the sender whether they wanted their apologies recorded ) so we will be able to send out sixty or so applications for when the Club starts up.

The meeting was a mixture of pet owners and breed club members, there seemed to be a friendly feel in the room and I was really happy how well it went.

Sue Newnes (Penquite on this forum ) expertly chaired the meeting and she started by calling for a minutes silence for two sadly missed personalities of the Cavalier world, Bet Hargreaves and Shealagh Waters.

The constitution was a formal and rather wordy document, as it was drawn up according to KC guidelines, so it probably rather dry work for those present while we were going through the sections in the draft document.
We had some really helpful suggestions and comments from two cavalier club secretaries that were there.

There was very little disagreement about the draft constitution, only two votes were not unanimous and even then there was only one dissenting vote each time

The Constitution was approved & then the Meeting agreed, for the sake of consistency, those of the existing Working Group that wanted to stand should form the nucleus of the start-up Committee.

The meeting finished soon after 1pm, the 'simple sandwich & cakes buffet' was wonderful & anything but simple ( you should have seen the choice of cakes ) and everyone seemed to be eating and talking amicably.

We took the opportunity to have a quick Committee meeting while we were all together, co-opted two extra committee members and so we are up and running.

We are now working on the website, a Club logo, the application form and a unique membership gift and hope to launch the club in January.
We will be accepting overseas members.

This meeting was a formality that will allow us to seek KC recognition when we actually have a list of members and some money in the bank. So thank you to those that came and helped us agree a formal constutution. Your support was really appreciated.

We can now get on and start to create our new Companion Club.

cavi lover
19th November 2011, 09:39 PM
That is fantastic. Very well done to all those involved.cl*pcl*pcl*pcl*pcl*p

Please please can I join? I am so looking forward to the establishment of this club.

I will keep an eye out for further details
xxx

Margaret C
20th November 2011, 03:04 PM
That is fantastic. Very well done to all those involved.cl*pcl*pcl*pcl*pcl*p

Please please can I join? I am so looking forward to the establishment of this club.

I will keep an eye out for further details
xxx

We are not going to let you get away.

You are already on the list of prospective members, and you and the others that have expressed an interest on this thread will be sent an application form as soon as we have finished designing it. :)

I am hoping that we will be able to use selected photos of members' cavaliers to decorate the website, and members' stories to give interest to the different sections, so will everyone put their thinking caps on and let me know if you have something you think would be suitable ( you will have to join the club to be included on the website)

I will gradually be getting in touch with people in the hopes that they will let us use their experiences to inform other cavalier owners. Perhaps Sabby will write a little article about how she came to start in Rally Obedience and we can put it on the relevant website page with one of her lovely photos.

Cavilover could tell about why she started doing Pets as Therapy and what it involves.

MurphysMummy could perhaps do a little piece about how she came to own Murphy and the difficulties and triumphs of coping with a puppy farm cavalier.

ByFloSin can tell how she came to have her little DryEye/CurlyCoat girl and how she manages to keep her comfortable, on a page that could highlight that there is now a DNA test available so no more puppies really need to be born with this condition.

If there is anyone with a cavalier that suffers with Episodic Falling Syndrome, who would like to be a member and tell their little dog's story I would really be pleased to hear from them. My email is mareve-ckcs@ntlworld.com

I would still love to hear from anyone who does Heelwork to Music in the UK with a cavalier.
Is Renate still around, if she became a club member perhaps we could feature one of her videos just to show what can be done?

There is so much information and expertise out there. Our club can bring it all together and make it available to all cavalier lovers

MurphysMummy
20th November 2011, 06:09 PM
I'm sorry I could not attend the meeting, I had to attend college.
Margaret I can't wait to write a little piece about Murphy and hand out awareness and the positives of owning a rescue :)
Yay :)

Sabby
20th November 2011, 06:32 PM
I will definitely write about how we came to start Rally. Cavaliers are so talented and versatile. Also I would like to say that SM is not necessarily the end of your dog enjoying the things they love doing.

When the application forms are out I will give one to Jane Williams. Margaret & Tania, you have met her at Olympia at the London Pet Show she was with our Rally Display Team. I think she has got 5 Cavaliers from Many Tears Rescue two having SM. I have already told her about the cavalier Club and I think she would like to join.

Margaret C
20th November 2011, 07:13 PM
I think Jane has already contacted me :) Another cavalier owner with so much expertise to pass on to others.

I'm really excited about what we can all achieve together.