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anniemac
14th March 2012, 07:19 PM
I was told by different vet Elton has a scar on eye but new vet said it was a lipid deposit. He said its a "cavalier" thing but it is nothing to be concerned about.

I like this new vet
a) he is very good looking (still looking for a vet for BF but more importantly
B) he seemed to know about cavaliers.

He had a good check up. He said he didn't hear a murmur which is good for his age (he's no cardiologist though).

Anyone else heard of lipid deposits and what should I do?

pcfarrar
14th March 2012, 09:27 PM
Anyone else heard of lipid deposits and what should I do?

Our cavalier has a cholesterol deposit in her eye. She has had it a few years but it has recently started to fade, it is a small rectangular shape in her eye. I believe it is nothing to worry about and does not effect vision.

RodRussell
14th March 2012, 10:14 PM
... Anyone else heard of lipid deposits and what should I do?

Love him.

anniemac
14th March 2012, 10:53 PM
Love him.

That I do.....

meljoy
14th March 2012, 11:15 PM
Hi,
Leo has lipid deposits too. I saw a vetenary opthalmologist who told me exactly what your vet has.
It doesnt cause him any problems....he can still spot a biscuit crumb from 200 yards.:-D

Karlin
14th March 2012, 11:17 PM
They can however signal problems and can progress, so they do need to be checked regularly. Why cavaliers and other dogs have them in their eyes is not exactly understood. They are relatively common though. The first vet is not necessarily wrong in decsribing them as scarring on the eye.

http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/eyes/c_multi_corneal_degenerations_infiltrations#.T2EZG pjXHzI


One of the main causes of corneal degeneration is lipid (fat) deposits in the supporting structure of the inner eyeball: the stroma and the epithelium. While lipids are a normal part of the body, being, as they are, a principal structure of living cells, hyper deposits of lipids in the tissues can bring about disorders to the system they are inhabiting. Systemic hyperlipoproteinemia, a metabolic disorder characterized by elevated concentrations of cholesterol and specific lipoprotein particles in the blood plasma, may increase the risk of deposits in the stroma, or may worsen already existing deposits. Hyperlipoproteinemia can be secondary to hypothyroidism, diabetes mellitus, hyperadrenocorticism (chronic production of too much cortisone), pancreatitis, nephrotic syndrome (a disorder in which the kidneys are damaged), and liver disease.

And

http://www.peteyedoctor.com/Corneal_Lipidosis.html. One extract below but there are other reasons too.


(Causes of lipid deposits)

An inherited condition called corneal dystrophy. This is usually noticed initially just in one eye but eventually progresses to affect the second eye. The appearance varies between breeds but most commonly these are cloudy spots in the center of each eye. It is quite rare that they progress to a point where there is significant vision loss. If this occurs in a dog to be used for breeding, the condition could be passed on.

Commonly affected breeds include the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, Siberian Husky, Shetland Sheepdog, Collie and Beagle. This condition is usually non-painful though occasionally, particularly in Shelties, it can cause episodes of pain and chronic medical therapy (or even surgery) is sometimes indicated.

BrooklynMom
15th March 2012, 08:29 AM
I like this new vet
a) he is very good looking (still looking for a vet for BF...


HA! Aren't we all! I would settle for a hunky vet nurse too....though I am not sure how happy that new addition would make to my marriage :fool:

AT
17th March 2012, 10:06 PM
I had a rescue dog with lipid deposits which had collected in an old ulcer scar, my vet wanted to scrape it believing it was an ulcer and "it wasnt healing" he was annoyed when i insisted on a referal ( he likes to have a go at everything, not on my dogs thankyou)
The opthalmologist had a good look , said it was as above and nothing to worry about.

she also said their eyes where not as sensitive as other breeds which I had not heard before.

and i also think a hunky vet boyfriend would be quite handy ;) maybe we should set up a dating service ,lol

Karlin
18th March 2012, 08:24 PM
she also said their eyes where not as sensitive as other breeds which I had not heard before.

Me either and I think the majority of eye specialists would fiercely dispute that -- how could they not be as sensitive (eyes are eyes)? The size alone makes cavalier eyes a lot more likely to have accidents and dry eye as well is very common (as so many of us know!).

I think as with many things, this breed simply tolerates pain, not 'better', but by showing less visibly, and enduring more. The higher seratonin levels found by researchers would support this -- explains the happy disposition too and perhaps (I'd guess?!) is linked to breeding for that constantly wagging tail. I think they really have to be in pain most of the time to start outwardly showing pain so maybe some could interpret that as being 'less sensitive' is some ways. But don't think it is the right interpretation myself!

ByFloSin
19th March 2012, 01:26 PM
I have no experience of Corneal Lipidosis being anything other than cosmetic and harmless. So far as I remember two of my dogs have had it. Angus from when I had him eye checked at just over a year old was the first of mine to have the condition. I was told by the consulting opthalmologist that it was a harmless and insignificant condition which he only noted on the examination certificate because he was required to. Mr Warren told me he had never seen either progression or any other ill effects resulting from it in all his many years of specialist practice. Angus lived to 16 yrs 10 mths without ill effects.

Miss Hattie was also certificated at just over a year old by the same consultant opthalmologist. Again he found CL and told me there was nothing to worry about. He rechecked her eyes every year until she died at 6 years old, but the condition had not progressed.

I have spoken with many, many other Cavalier owners and/or breeders about the condition over many years, but none of them has told me the condition has progressed, indicated signs of other disease or been passed on to the affected animal's progeny.

Karlin, 29 years of living 24/7 with multiple Cavaliers has told me that almost all of them have been absolutely intolerant of even the most minor of pains. Just try catching one of their hairs in the comb to see what I mean.

Karlin
19th March 2012, 04:01 PM
Yes my experience with lipid deposits (Lily has one) is that they are harmless, but clearly while they may be, they aren't always -- lots of eye specialist vet sites say otherwise. Always good to keep a casual eye on them to make sure there's nothing to worry about. :) I was told they are almost always nothing to worry about but that is not the same as 'never'.

I don't agree on pain though. I have three that wouldn't be much bothered by a hair in a comb! And others that would -- but that kind of pain is very different to far more serious pain which they simply just tolerate. I know the neurologists who work with this breed say the same, and have in some of the SM seminars. My dog that has the most pain, Leo, is unbelievably gentle and stoic even when in severe pain -- as he was when he damaged a disk and also on and off with his SM, as well as twice with a ruptured anal gland. My vets have always commented on how he is willing to let people touch him even when it is clear this causes significant pain (but is required for an exam). The vets I had to take him to in the UK for an emergency said the same -- could not believe he allowed them to handle him when they said most dogs would probably snap at someone unfamiliar.

There's also the argument that sensitive dogs may be so because of some general underlying pain. That's certainly the feeling of neurologists on that common vet comment that cavaliers are 'cry babies' when they get injections... in the neck. Given the rate of SM/CM the neurologists feel it may be pretty painful to many cavaliers to have a needle stuck into the area where syrinxes are most likely to form and where the brain may be herniating through into the neck area of the spine.