View Full Version : 11 week old and SM??

14th May 2012, 07:00 PM
Oh gosh I'm so worried, Charlie was bombing around the garden this evening and I heard him screeching for about 5-10 seconds while running. I dropped my tea and ran out but as soon as I called him he sat and stopped.

Are SM symptoms possible in an 11 week old pup? Or am I just being paranoid??

14th May 2012, 07:51 PM
It's possible. Go through Reptigirl's posts for the story of one such example.

There are a lot of other things that could be going on though. Patellas especially. But even stepping on a thorn could be upsetting enough to cause a squealing.

14th May 2012, 07:51 PM
Something must have hurt him, but I would not leap to the conclusion it was SM in a young puppy. SM takes time to progress.

Check him over. Maybe a bee stung him. We have fire ants on our property. If you do too, maybe one bit him. Can you move his limbs naturally without him whimpering? It could be he has a luxating patella which popped out of place and finally popped back into place.

14th May 2012, 08:18 PM
Sorry to hear you are worried about Charlie, but honestly it is very unusual to see symptoms in such a young puppy.

It does sound like he hurt himself somehow, if you are still worried in the morning, take him into the vets for a quick check over just to make sure.

Puppies do have wee accidents and they are still exploring the world, and learning to modify their behaviour, sometimes if they are running around they do run into things or catch themselves, even older Cavaliers. Kayleigh recently ran into a wooden board whilst running and really yelped, fortunately it was just a minor bump and she was fine.

14th May 2012, 08:54 PM
Hi, I'm sorry you're so worried! I know how that goes, trust me.

It's highly unlikely your pup has SM although it is possible. My pup was diagnosed at 4 months, but I noticed symptoms when we got her at 13 weeks. Ask yourself these questions: Is this the first time you heard your pup make a noise like this? Or does he do it every few days? Does it ever happen when he's still or resting? Like jumps up out of nowhere to yelp? Any other symptoms like scratching, strange walking, face rubbing, etc.?

If this was an isolated instance, I agree with Rod that maybe a bee stung him or he got a thorn from a plant stuck in the pad of his paw. I know it's easy to think every little thing is SM and it's so great you're educated on it. Like I said, if this was an isolated occurrence, just let it be. Now if he starts doing some of the stuff I mentioned above, and often, maybe there's more to it.

Good luck!

15th May 2012, 08:58 PM
Check him over thoroughly! Alfie was racing round the garden and I heard the most awful squealing and he came scampering inside still screaming I was terrified. He went straight to his bed and lay down! I pulled him out and rubbed everywhere down to making sure all limbs were ok then left him for a minute. When he'd totally settled I sat him on my knee and got a good look all over and there on his side was a tiny scrape with a tiny patch of hair missing :0( he'd obviously caught it on something but goodness the noise!! My neighbour was worried she had heard him too! Hopefully it's something like that your pup has hurt himself .

15th May 2012, 10:43 PM
I doubt it is SM -- especially if you have never seen anything else suspicious. :thmbsup: Just enjoy him and keep an eye out for anything unusual in future. :)

However maybe keep him inside unless you can be outside with him? He's so young and small still, and they can get into things, and if there is a problem, it is very hard to know what caused it/started it etc which could mean all the difference in an emergency (eg knowing a pup just ate a particular plant or slug pellets or was stung) -- and there are so many thefts where people just hop a fence, grab a puppy and run. I've heard of so many unexpected dog thefts at this point that I don't consider any unwatched garden, regardless of fences, safe from an opportunistic thief. :( I wish it weren't that way, but there are constant 'missing cavaliers' on the Lost Dog website in the UK and over here too where cavaliers, especially puppies, have been stolen from gardens.

16th May 2012, 12:02 PM
I asked the exact same question when Bella was younger. Try not to worry!

16th May 2012, 04:55 PM
When my boy was about 4 months old he was out with me in the garden and stumbled into a wasp nest. He was stung on the foot and hollered a long time. Well, two days later we took him out on a walk and he step on a thorn, he cried like he was dying for 2 long minutes! It wasn't the same foot that had been stung but I just assumed the wasp experience had a lasting impression. I thought all the neighbors would come out to see the commotion he was so loud!

16th May 2012, 08:10 PM
Thanks everyone! I know I'm paranoid at the moment I will try to relax and just enjoy his puppyhood :)

17th May 2012, 02:33 AM
I wanted to add that my Mochi was yelping for no apparent reason for a few seconds and then would stop. It started from when she was 10 wks old and usually it was when she was changing positions while she was sleeping.Like hopeful4now mentioned she would almost jump up from a sleeping position or sometimes just be walking a few steps screaming and the plop back down to sleep. So odd. Every time I would run over and examine her but everything was ok. The vet told me all her tests checked out so I brushed it off. It happened maybe 5-7 times but at the time I wasnt aware of the prevalence of SM in Cavs. Believe it or not all my research on the breed prior to getting her revealed MVD as the biggest threat. As she got older she stopped doing it until she was 1 1/2 and the vet told us she had SM :( I asked him about these symptoms I could see now in retrospect and if it was the SM and he said probably so. He said she probably got used to some level of pain being a constant and thats why the yelping stopped but now it was progressing and becoming unbearable. I hate to end on a sour note but I want people to be aware that it can happen in pups. The vet told me breeding practices have become so bad that the younger Cavs are being diagnosed :(((( Thanks to a good doc and meds she is happy and frolicking now ( aside from some itchy problems) but for the most part she is her old playful self. Since your babe was playing in the garden it's very possible he just got a prickly in his paw or overexerted a bit too much, Cavs are very fragile by nature. Please do enjoy his puppyhood because good health and happiness is nothing that should be taken for granted and should be enjoyed every moment! Take him to the park, give him lots of X's and O's, and love him like crazy b/c the future is fickle and you dont want to regret anything :) This might have been a little more rambling than what you were asking for so sorry about that lol :/