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Lady Hoop
24th November 2012, 07:42 PM
I came across this very interesting page. http://roycroftinformationcenter.com/Cavalier%20Infosite/Cavalier%20InfoCenter%20Health%20SM%20MRI%20to%20S kull%20Comps.html

Has anyone ever seen this? Thoughts??

After the skull/MRI comparison photos in the beginning there is the comparison of the skull shapes of cavaliers in the 70s and 80s vs. today. My girl is not diagnosed with SM nor has she been tested, but I am always interested in learning more about it and being aware. I have heard Karlin refer to one of hers as being a "Roycroft" - I am curious if there is any correlation?

I have always thought Lady's head seemed different than most Cavs I see around. Her snout is a bit longer and skull not as high rounded, but more flat. I notice in the pictures on the website that she resembles the older head shapes. Intriguing.

RodRussell
24th November 2012, 08:12 PM
I came across this very interesting page. http://roycroftinformationcenter.com/Cavalier%20Infosite/Cavalier%20InfoCenter%20Health%20SM%20MRI%20to%20S kull%20Comps.html

Has anyone ever seen this? Thoughts??

After the skull/MRI comparison photos in the beginning there is the comparison of the skull shapes of cavaliers in the 70s and 80s vs. today. My girl is not diagnosed with SM nor has she been tested, but I am always interested in learning more about it and being aware. I have heard Karlin refer to one of hers as being a "Roycroft" - I am curious if there is any correlation?

I have always thought Lady's head seemed different than most Cavs I see around. Her snout is a bit longer and skull not as high rounded, but more flat. I notice in the pictures on the website that she resembles the older head shapes. Intriguing.

I've seen the page. Laura Lang has done an outstanding job with it. Roycroft is Laura's cavalier kennel name. She is in Ohio.

My family has had cavaliers born in every decade since the 1960s, and I cannot distinguish any of their heads by their decade of birth. I do not think that the length of the muzzle is in any way determinative of whether the dog is predisposed to CM/SM or not. I think that maybe, just maybe, the back of the head could be determinative.

There is a Facebook page devoted to dealing with this issue:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/CMSMresearch/?notif_t=group_r2j_approved

Margaret C
24th November 2012, 11:34 PM
This is a Facebook page where owners of many breeds put up photos and scans for discussion.

It is connected to a study being done at Bristol & the aim is to see if it is possible to find some external indicators to the presence of CM. Anyone interested can ask to join the group.


I have put up a MRI scan of a Japanese Chin and intend to put up Faith's latest scan when I get her BVA/KC scheme gradings

Lady Hoop
25th November 2012, 04:32 PM
Thank you both for that info!