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1st March 2013, 04:31 PM
If you've been told, or read, that you need to be your dog's 'pack leader', here's a little video to watch -- :)


Here's a good link with a wide range of resources from some very wwidely known dog trainers debunking this theory, for anyone who wants to read more:


Give dogs some credit: I think they are not so stupid as to confuse you, their two-legged, upright, tail-less, non-dog-scented, meal and play and toy and warmth and love-providing human, with a gigantic dog that they must respect as a 'pack leader'. They will indeed respect you if you take the time to train your dog and provide a good social environment for this very social animal-- but for different motivational reasons (and hopefully, never because they fear you). :)

To prove this point -- just think about your dog and the cats he or she sees. My group of dogs is friendly with my group of cats but clearly never confuses a cat with a dog! Mine don't even confuse 'their' cats with random outdoor cats, who are a temptation to chase (yet they never want to chase another random dog in the same way... or a human). So how could they confuse a human with a dog? :D

The myth of alpha dogs comes from one specific long ago study about wolves -- which leading wolf researchers now reject!: http://www.4pawsu.com/alphawolf.pdf . The relationships are far more complex.

Kate H
1st March 2013, 08:35 PM
'The myth of alpha dogs comes from one specific long ago study about wolves' - and it wasn't a study of a family wolf pack living naturally in the wild, but a motley collection of unrelated wolves living in captivity. Adolescent naughtiness in a Cavalier is not a take-over bid!

Kate, Oliver and Aled

16th April 2013, 12:21 PM
This pack leader nonsense has to stop. People in the park talk about it endlessly... I'm so glad people are starting to see sense.